Face it .....Obama screwed up big time......get over it.

[BooScout]

You were warned from the beginning that something like this may very well happen......but your heads were in the clouds for months. We told you he was not being asked the hard questions about his background.

Now would you please stop with calling everyone in America a racist? Most especially calling Clinton and her supporters racist because ..........well because they didn't fall all over themselves for Obama? And because they don't necessarily agree with the hate filled remarks of a preacher?

And did you really think the Superdelegates are not waiting and watching to see how all of this plays out as to the issue of Obama's electability? The Democratic Party wants a Democrat in the White House and they are not about to put someone up against McCain that cannot stand up to the GOP onslaught once the real race is on.

So get over yourselves and stop all this beating of breasts and crying racism and all this victimization bullshit. It makes you look extremely foolish.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. Clinton's lost the nomination.

She'll never be president.

Get over yourself.

[gayron]

3. Obama will loose the GE

So what is your point.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. You'd like that, wouldn't you?

I don't think it's going to happen.

[Mezzo]

9. No...we're against disenfranchising people.

get over it

[otohara]

53. When Did "We" Give A Shit?

about caucuses vs primaries, rules vs breaking the rules?

When a certain candidate realized she couldn't win, that's when!

[Seeker30]

12. You said it....you don't think

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

17. Geez, just how old are you?

You're rubber and I'm glue.

[Texas Hill Country]

77. No, actually we dont, we want to win the GE more than anything else.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

79. Ask me if I believe you.

No, I don't.

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[walldude]

27. So you have one of these:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5160479

Good thing...

[Nedsdag]

31. The point for someone who cannot spell loser correctly is:

Hillary will LOSE in the GE.

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[themaguffin]

76. Hillary would unite the GOP and lose. Get over it

[Mezzo]

5. No she hasn't. get over it.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

7. Of course she has.

So get over yourselves and stop all this beating of breasts and crying sexism and all this victimization bullshit. It makes you look extremely foolish.

[Mezzo]

16. Has Obama gotten to 2025? Of COURSE he hasn't...and he CAN'T

get over it. We're in this until the convention.

She has more superdelegates. Get over it.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

25. Obama has more pledged delegates.

Far more pledged delegates then she's got superdelegates. Furthermore, at the current rate Obama will have more superdelegates in a few weeks.

If it goes all the way to the convention, she'll just lose there too.

[Orsino]

97. Let's just say that she's not winning the nomination.

She was once in the lead, but hasn't been for quite a while, and Obama's lead in delegates looks very nearly insurmountable without epic-level defection at the convention.

There's nothing to get over--yet--except the fact that Clinton is currently behind.

[ProSense]

2. Delusional! n/t

[Hugabear]

6. Show me where he has called ANYONE racist

Let alone "everyone in America" racist.

Meanwhile, your candidate seemed to have no problem pulling out her own gender card earlier on in the race, and I recall several DUers accusing people of being sexist simply for not supporting Hillary.

[BooScout]

11. I was speaking of the Obama supporters here....

You don't do reading comprehension well do you?

[rodeodance]

19. OP said nothing about "he"

Show me where he has called ANYONE racist
Posted by Paint It Black


Let alone "everyone in America" racist.

Meanwhile, your candidate seemed to have no problem pulling out her own gender card earlier on in the race, and I recall several DUers accusing people of being sexist simply for not supporting Hillary.

[Rosemary2205]

8. What you you talking about??

What did Obama screw up?

Last I heard he was impressing some people who really don't want to support a Democrat OR black man.

[Sadie5]

10. Boo Scout hit the nail on the head

They seem blind to Os shortcomings but he is unelectable. In the process they continue to slander Hillary yet cry fowl when O is chastised.

[TexasLady]

13. aww your precious.

like a mascot.

[BooScout]

21. Well bless your heart.....

Being from Texas I would guess you understand that?:*

[Dr Fate]

14. If you are demanding of Obama what you never demanded of a white candidate, then yes, it is racist.

Wright screwed up, we agree- but it is indeed racist for Hillary/GOP/media to demand things of Obama that they never have and never will demand of white candidates.

[mopinko]

57. EXACTLY!

just right.
unless by screwing up OP means associating with people who notice that racism exists, are pissed off about it, and want to do something about it. in which case i say, bring it on. it is about time that we fought this battle. sorry to rock the small minded boats.

[reggie the dog]

59. stop saying Wright screwed up

His anger is justified. He has been the victim of racism countless times in his life. His comments were an expression of his justified anger. Wright never said he hated whites, never called them crackers, never attacked latinos or asians either. I recommend the book "how capitalism underdevelopped black america" or "radio free dixie". Open your minds. Wrights anger is directed at the system, not all people. He has done nothing wrong.

[Dr Fate]

67. Fair enough. I still say it's racist to use guilt by association for Obama but not for white pols.

If I really wanted to get into it, I'd say that at worse, I wish Wright used language that a broader audience could relate to.

In any event, I'm not here to defend Wright- I'm here to ask why Hillary/GOP/media holds Obama to higher standards than any they have any white candidate in history.

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[BooScout]

30. make me

and I mean that any way you take it.:eyes:

[Guava Jelly]

35. I'd rather ignore the ignorance

so bye bye..I have a red X to click.
Don't worry I'll un ignore you when it is over...Just to do this :P

[Forkboy]

37. ooo, a tough guy.

:rofl:

[2rth2pwr]

43. Regarding your picture there. He sold out his Grannie.

[anigbrowl]

18. 2,254,561 views of Obama's speech on Youtube.. a record

Almost 3x the views for the 3am phone call ad (the highest views for any Hillary Clinton video). Think about it.

[Mezzo]

24. yup. No matter how many times it gets downloaded...

He still screwed up big time.

Think about how many of those are multiples.

[rodeodance]

48. Do not ASSume that just because listen-they LIKE. In fact it my be the opposite for some, many?

[anamandujano]

86. Exactly. People watch a car wreck also.

[DUyellow]

20. he has stepped up to the swift boats better then anybody in recent memory, supers are watching that.

Face it, he is good.

[anamandujano]

88. Swiftboating uses fabricated information. This is real and he keeps revising

his story. Not good.

[DUyellow]

96. Another Super Delegate for Obama today...

[EFerrari]

22. I'll be happy to stop calling out racism when it stops happening!

:hi:

[azmouse]

26. ...

:eyes:

[jgraz]

33. ...

I see your :eyes: and raise you a :puke:

[azmouse]

45. ...

:rofl: :thumbsup:

[JTFrog]

28. Congrats to you and your candidate.

[book_worm]

29. How did Obama screw up? he dealt with it--like Hillary will have to deal with her lies about NAFTA

since her First Lady records show that she was lobbying for it. So deal with it. Hillary is going to have to deal with her credibility being called in question yet again and who knows what else will come out.

[BooScout]

36. At least she didn't call up Canada and tell them she was fibbing to the voters....

Like Obama's camp did.:shrug:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

39. Err, no, she didn't call Canada.

She just lied about it.

:shrug:

[book_worm]

55. didn't she?

[reggie the dog]

62. Canada is not Mexico

American factory jobs left for Mexico, not Canada. Mexico's currency is worth less than US currency, and their economy is weaker. Canadian dollars are worth more than US dollars and their economy is stronger than that of the USA. Free trade with Canada never cost American workers their jobs. Free trade with Mexico did. Before I get painted a racist I point out that this is just economics. I have nothing against Mexicans coming to the USA to try and find a better life. My ancestors left Europe for the USA for the same reason one hundred years ago.

[kentuck]

32. What did Obama do?

Can you tell us in 3 sentences or less?

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[galactical]

38. LMAO

thats funny....

[anamandujano]

93. if you're an idiot

[jgraz]

40. You're going to get blasted for this

But you're pretty much on target. At this point, the Hillary Supporters are praying for a race war to tear the party apart.

[anamandujano]

90. not blasted, but alerted

[Drachasor]

50. OP is just a rabid Hillary supporter, not a racist

Let's not descend into vitriol.

[EFerrari]

54. Having met this same poster on some very interesting immigration threads

I appreciate your charity and disagree.

[Drachasor]

61. Thought about...

saying "as far as I know," but that would have been misinterpreted when it is something as incendiary as racism.

[EFerrari]

65. The thing is, standing tall against racism or any kind of bigotry --

whether it be in defense of our gay community or in defense of women or of any community that has had to suffer discrimination -- will never be popular.

If it were popular, that bigotry wouldn't exist.

So, I've made peace between my need to be liked and to be polite and my need to stand up for people I love and respect.

You know, when you think about it, there's really no contest.

I don't mind setting anything on fire if that's the right thing that needs to be done.

[Drachasor]

72. Right, but I want my language to be as clear as possible

Which means I want people to interpret my words correctly. I don't want to give someone the wrong impression, such as someone reading what I wrote and thinking that OP is racist in my point of view (when I truly have no reason to think so).

[EFerrari]

73. Imho, being careful is a good choice.

Reactivity only feeds the problem. Taking care is a step in the right direction.

That's one reason I like Obama's speech. He was careful, thoughtful. He could have gotten applause more easily for ducking the complexity of the problem. But he didn't do that.

I admire a person who doesn't try to make a hard problem out to be simpler or easier than it is.

[BooScout]

71. Excuse me?

Why? Because I don't support illegal immigration? How is that racist?

FYI, I don't support illegal immigration because I have gone through the process legally with bringing my husband to the States. It took us 2 fucking years and money we didn't have that we had to beg and borrow. So, walk a mile in my shoes before you go spouting a bunch of bullshit.

[EFerrari]

80. I believe your posts are still searchable. n/t

[BooScout]

82. And I believe you are a stalker

:eyes:

[EFerrari]

83. Let's make a deal. I'll put you on ignore to avoid any possibility

of stalking you.

[Hugabear]

60. Yup, there goes that uppity negro again...

We're gonna use all sorts of racial tactics, we're going to have our surrogates pull out the racial card, and we're going to go after his pastor and try to make Obama look like a white-hating racist. And when they complain about it, we'll tell them to stop bitching about racism!

:rofl:

[JVS]

69. !

:thumbsup:

[Barack_America]

41. Really? I thought it was Jeremiah Wright who made those comments?

Did Hillary screw up big time when Bill talked about Jesse Jackson in SC? I didn't see that divorce papers were filed. Therefore she must have agreed with what he said.

[mmonk]

42. No comment . (show restraint)

[Bullet1987]

44. Shut the hell up

[BooScout]

46. why?

Does the truth scare you that much?

[reggie the dog]

63. what truth?

The fact that he likes a preacher who is sometimes angered about racism and expresses his anger verbally? For fucks sake, emotion is not a bad thing. The Dean scream was a non issue. Look what happend with a non emotional W. he has no EMPATHY. Something many people on this board lack.

[anamandujano]

92. The truth is that Bama is toast thanks to his misguided life choices.

Deal.

[goletian]

47. obama hasnt screwed up yet. thats kinda why hes ahead........... - nt

[cali]

49. I predicted in a thread here months ago that this would be an issue

and sorry, a lot of Clintonistas are revealing their ugly racist side.

Oh, and, little hillbot? If you think the SDs are going to flock to Clin ton over this, you are delusional. Get over yourself, dearie. You look extremely foolish- and worse.

[BlooInBloo]

51. A few ppl here predicted this. All were shouted down with "there's no racism" cries.

[cali]

74. Wright isn't a racist

unfortunately a lot of people here who say they support Hillary, are.

If you don't comprehend that victims of racism may well be bitter and angry at times, you're a fucking insensitive asshole. Period.

[BlooInBloo]

Yup.

[stevietheman]

56. Stop the attacks on our nominee Barack Obama! n/t

n/t

[shayes51]

75. He's not there yet.

[SoFlaJet]

58. These kinds of constant threads

are really getting fucking boring aren't they? Hey whatever happens, happens...bottom line support the democrat-whichever one it is, and from where most people are sitting well I know what it looks like it's gonna be or who shall I say it's gonna be (hint: math)

[OnionPatch]

64. I expected this kind of thing.

I don't know who didn't. It's very clear that our nominee is going to be swiftboated, and if you think Hillary is immune to this, you're nuts. She'll be swift-boated, too. Mark my words. I don't pick my candidates according to which ones the Republicans will Swiftboat because they will do it to them all. Remember this when we're in the midst of the Hillary scandals, coming soon to a television near you.

[wisteria]

66. I don't see it that way. Obama did everything right. It is the RW media strangely pushing Clinton

by going after this nonsense story and telling their voters to vote for her that is screwy.

[EFerrari]

70. It's not strange once you track down the Clinton connections to the media.

Murdoch is the obvious one.

A former president will also have pull.

They've planted their surrogates everywhere.

I don't have the energy to post links so take this with a pillar of salt. But, imho, there it is.

[snappyturtle]

78. You betcha! Lest we forget that the repukes WANT Clinton to win

our nomination.

[uponit7771]

68. This WILL be a net positive for him, 2 former reThugs told me they're voting for Obama

[mattclearing]

81. I have no idea what you're talking about. n/t

[jeffrey_X]

84. So no black people shouldn't run for Prez because of their "background"

what a crock

[BigBearJohn]

85. WILSON: Obama's Shallow Credentials on National Security Are Dangerous for the Country

Joseph C. Wilson:

Claims of superior intuitive judgment by his campaign and by him are self-evidently disingenuous, especially in light of disclosures about his long associations with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and Tony Rezko. But his assertions of advanced judgment are also ludicrous when the question of what Obama has accomplished in his four years in the Senate is considered.

As the Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee subcommittee on Europe, he has not chaired a single substantive oversight hearing, even though the breakdown in our relations with Europe and NATO is harming our operations in Afghanistan. Nor did he take a single official trip to Europe as chairman. This is the sum total of his actions in the most important responsibility he has had in the Senate. What are his actual experiences that reassure us that when the phone rings at 3 a.m. he will know what to do, which levers of power to pull, or which world leaders he can count on?

Obama has stated that he will rely upon his advisers. But how will he know which ones to depend upon and how will he be able to evaluate what they say? Already, one of his chief foreign policy advisers, Samantha Power, has been compelled to resign for, among other indiscretions, honestly revealing on a British television program that Obama's public position on withdrawal from Iraq is not really his true position, nor does it reflect what he would do. Her gaffe exposed a vein of cynicism on national security. How confident can we be in his judgment? In fact, the hard truth is that he has no such experience.

Obama has tried to have it both ways on the issue of national security. On the one hand, he claims his intuition somehow would make him best equipped to handle the difficult challenges that face the next president. On the other hand, he tries to ridicule and dismiss as relatively insignificant the idea that actual experience with and intimate knowledge of foreign affairs and leaders, the U.S. military, the intelligence community, and the intricacies of diplomacy matter. He has even suggested that talking about the problems of national security amounts to exploitation of "fear." One of Obama's fervent supporters, a Harvard professor named Orlando Patterson, who has no expertise in foreign policy, wrote absurdly in a New York Times op-ed that the 3 a.m. ad wasn't about national security at all, but really a subliminal racist attack. Delusions aside, sometimes a discussion about national security is about national security.

There will, in fact, be 3 a.m. phone calls for the next president. They are not make believe. I have been there for such calls. The next president cannot be afraid or hesitant of handling the enormous national security crises that President Bush will leave behind. One thing is certain -- the calls will come. Obama has only an abdication of his chief senatorial responsibility as a basis for assessing what his judgment might be if and when the phone rings. Which of his shifting coterie of volatile advisers would he turn to? Will it be the one who repudiated his withdrawal plan, exposing his real intention, prior to being forced to resign? Or will it be those advisers who remained silent until politically convenient -- several years and several thousand lives after the shock and awe invasion, conquest and disastrous occupation of Iraq?

The calls are real and experience is real, too. The campaign might be treated as a game by the media, but those calls are serious, deadly serious.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-wilson/obamas-shallow-credentia_b_92586.html

[Az_lefty]

87. Obama was put on the spot over a very sensative issue...

and it became his shining moment. I think that's far more presidential than anything Hillary has done.

[Swamp Rat]

89. "stop with calling everyone in America a racist"

LOLOL! :rofl: OK! :D

[grantcart]

91. yeah nobody has ever underestimated this guy lol

[boppers]

94. Well, if you're not informed, YOU LOSE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvMbeVQj6Lw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ

I'm informed, and understand what's going on.

Do you?

[anamandujano]

95. Excellent post. Thank you.

There appear to be some supers who want to throw the race, who don't want to own up to Obama's foibles which are quickly reaching critical mass.

One has to wonder about the loyalties of Pelosi, Dean, Kennedy and some others.

One has to hope that most supers really want a Democrat in the White House.