Search: Can you locate the poll threads on 9-11 report when asked MIHOP or LIHOP?

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I am curious to remember the accurate results of the poll question - I think it was around the release of the first part of the 9-11 report, or around Bob Graham's appearance on some talk shows in 2004.


The reason I ask is because this 9-11 stuff from Pastor Wright isn't even close to being new or CONTROVERSIAL here at DU and most of us agreed that BushInc expected that a terror attack was imminent but didn't care leading it to Let it Happen On Purpose and many here read the report and the record of other BushInc dealings in the past with terrorists and concluded that BushInc Made It Happen On Purpose.

So - if any of you can snag tthose poll threads from the way back machine, I think it would cast this current debate in a new light.

BTW - Didn't Hillary even hold up a Front Page headline that said BUSH KNEW! Sure she did it for political gain and never followed through, but there ARE PICTURES that will be used against her, just like Pastor Wright is being used now, eh?

Is THAT UnAmerican? Shouldn't the Super delegates be warned?

Won't the GOP machine show video of Wright blaming America and then cut to the video of Hillary on the senate floor holding up the headline BUSH KNEW?

Or should Clinton camp just back off the entire Pastor Wright issue that they are fueling behind the scenes?

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1. Kickin for research help

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2. ^^^^^

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3. If this is true, Hillary...

just scored some points.

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4. It is true. But she retreated right away when she got some backlash - real fighter, eh?

The point is she went for theatrics herself, and is now trying to sway delegates using the FEAR of Wright's remarks when she basically implied EXACTLY the same thing to score some points with the blogs. The GOP machine would have no trouble linking what Hillary did that day on the floor of the senate to Wright's remarks.

Too bad she dropped the ball on it, but it did happen, and the video clips on that should be in the Cspan archives - but the pics were everywhere at the time. May 2002. I thought she cared enough to follow through, but apparently it was all show and no go, as Bill and she were also urging Dems to stand with Bush publicly on terrorism and again with Iraq war.

So what's for show and what's for real? It takes constant vigilance with the Clintons.

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5. No researchers in GDP tonight? ;(((((

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[mattclearing]

6. Did Pastor Wright ever make a LIHOP or MIHOP argument?

I didn't think that was one of his arguments, at least it hasn't been heavily publicized if it was.

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16. The basic premise is that he implied the government was part of it. Well, the Bush Knew

headlines imply the same - that the government knew more and didn't lift a finger to stop it - which would make LIHOP argument obvious.

[BuyingThyme]

7. Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/searchresults.html?q=%22poll+result%22+mihop+report+2004&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com&domains=democraticunderground.com&client=pub-7805397860504090&forid=1&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&cof=GALT%3A%23008000%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%23336699%3BVLC%3A663399%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3AFFFFFF%3BLBGC%3A336699%3BALC%3A0000FF%3BLC%3A0000FF%3BT%3A000000%3BGFNT%3A0000FF%3BGIMP%3A0000FF%3BFORID%3A11&hl=en

http://www.democraticunderground.com/searchresults.html?q=%22poll+result%22+mihop+lihop&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com&domains=democraticunderground.com&client=pub-7805397860504090&forid=1&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&cof=GALT%3A%23008000%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%23336699%3BVLC%3A663399%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3AFFFFFF%3BLBGC%3A336699%3BALC%3A0000FF%3BLC%3A0000FF%3BT%3A000000%3BGFNT%3A0000FF%3BGIMP%3A0000FF%3BFORID%3A11&hl=en

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10. THANKYOU - many newbies are unfamiliar with this time.

Wright wasn't saying anything different than most of DU believed - how times have changed when it suits the political needs, eh?

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19. BT, can you post these as a thread so DU remembers that they, too, agreed with Wright

and his overall implication about 9-11.

[BuyingThyme]

22. Okay:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5199324

[Stephanie]

8. Here are excerpts from her "Bush Knew" Senate floor speech >

Following are excerpts from a speech by Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton in the Senate on Thursday, as recorded by The Congressional Record. A complete transcript is online at nytimes.com/politics.

I have had the privilege of witnessing history up close, and I know there is never any shortage of second-guessers and Monday morning quarterbacks, ready to dismantle any comment or critique any action taken or not taken. Having experienced that from the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue, I for one will not play that game, especially in these circumstances. I am simply here today on the floor of this hallowed chamber to seek answers to the questions being asked by my constituents, questions raised by one of our newspapers in New York with the headline ''Bush Knew.''

The president knew what? My constituents would like to know the answer to that and many other questions, not to blame the president or any other American but just to know, to learn from experience, to do all we can today to ensure that a 9/11 never happens again. . . .

The pain of 9/11 is revisited in thousands of homes in New York and around our country every time that terrible scene of those planes going into those towers and then their collapse appears on television. It is revisited in our minds every time we see a picture of the cleanup at ground zero. It is revisited every time the remains of a fallen hero are recovered, as they were yesterday for Deputy Chief Downey. And it is revisited today with the questions about what might have been had the pieces of the puzzle been put together in a different way before that sad and tragic day in September. . . .

As for the president, he may not be in a position at this time to respond to all of those concerns, but he is in a position to answer some of them, including the question of why we know today, May 16, about the warning he received. Why did we not know this on April 16 or March 16 or February or Jan. 16 or Aug. 16 of last year? I do hope and trust that the president will assume the duty that we know he is capable of fulfilling, exercise the leadership that we know he has and come before the American people, at the earliest possible time, to answer the questions so many New Yorkers and Americans are asking. That will be a very great help to all of us.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C01E5DD1738F93BA25756C0A9649C8B63

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17. Backed off of the charge one paragraph later. This really was toothless when it

was all said and done, but the picture remains. I think she did it for show for the blogosphere and that was enough for her.

Too bad.

[beachmom]

20. Wow, I didn't know that she opened the door to this even a crack.

Very interesting.

[BuyingThyme]

21. wrong place

[Stephanie]

9. And anyone who can access CNN archives could get the video >

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0205/17/ip.00.html

WOODRUFF: All right, Kelly Wallace at the White House. As Kelly was just saying as the White House presses its charge that the Democrats are trying to turn this into a political issue, a certain New York senator was singled out for criticism.

Our congressional correspondent, Jonathan Karl, is here with more on that -- Jonathan.

KARL: Exactly right. The White House counterattack singled out New York's junior senator.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

(voice-over): For the White House, the only thing more upsetting than this "New York Post" headline on Thursday was Senator Clinton's reaction. SEN. HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON (D), NEW YORK: Questions raised by one of our newspapers in New York, with the headline "Bush Knew." The president knew what? My constituents would like to know the answer to that and many other questions. Not to blame the president or any other American, but just to know.

KARL: The White House says when New York Mayor Bloomberg saw the headline, he called the White House.

FLEISCHER: I have to say the disappointment that Mrs. Clinton. having seen that same headline, did not call the White House, did not ask if it was accurate or not.

Instead, she immediately went to the floor of the Senate and, I'm sorry to say that, she followed that headline and divided.

KARL: Advisers to Senator Clinton immediately took issue with Fleischer's comments, saying the senator never criticized the president, but was simply asking the same questions asked by her constituents. In New York, reporters asked Senator Clinton for a response.

CLINTON: We have a responsibility to ask for information. And I think that is not only appropriate, but necessary. You know, nobody is more entitled to answers to some of these questions than the people of New York.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

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11. She has one good moment and then backtracks like crazy. But funny how no pics

can be found, though they were splashed all over when it happened.

Scrubbed?

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12. Excellent Question! How Many Hillary Supporters were among those who persecuted LIHOP/MIHOPers here?

How many people attacking Wright (for saying exactly what Dems cheered
Bill Maher for, but Bill was white)

-- were among those who claimed that poll results showing widespread fear
of more widespread 9-11 involvement was "bunk" and a "fringe minority"?

Now, apparently, only hated "black nationalists" like (brrr) Malcolm X
buy into such things as LIHOP...

:shrug:

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14. Buying Thyme's post above has the links to those threads.

BTW - still trying to locate the pics of Hillary holding up the Bush Knew headline on senate floor but it appears to have been scrubbed. No can find.

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18. That breakdown would be a hoot - finding HRC supporters who believe Bush Knew

then but think Wright is wrong today.

[Straight Shooter]

13. I was basically in the LIHOP camp, blaming the bush administration for criminal negligence.

I said many times that bush was asleep at the wheel. I also think he was shown government-created video scenarios of what could happen, as a warning to be on the alert, and that's why he got confused and said he saw "the first plane" hit the building.

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15. I was LIHOP for most of the time till after the 9-11 report. Even in its mildly written form

it was apparent they knew way more in advance than was ever let on.

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23. Time: Behind all the finger-pointing

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1002500,00.html?promoid=googlep

With that, the Democrats were forced to recalibrate. Their unstated implication had been that, in abler hands, the country might have been spared the tragedy. On the Senate floor on Thursday, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton had cited a New York Post headline that declared "Bush Knew," and added, "The President knew what? My constituents would like to know the answer." But by Friday, Mrs. Clinton was backing off, saying that she was not "looking to point fingers or place blame on anybody." Said Georgia Senator Max Cleland: "This thing went south fast. One side defends, the other side finger-points, and you get nowhere."

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24. Thanks for finding that. Some fighter Hillary is, eh? Fastest back off ever.

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25. morning kick

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26. There's a whole September 11th forum on here to ask questions

The last thing this area needs is moronic conspiracy theorists bringing up controlled demolition and "pull it" discussions. I lose brain cells from people without critical thinking skills.

Rant over

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27. No one is talking about that aspect of it. The 9-11 report proves there was prior knowledge

as to what would occur, and LETTING it happen as a gateway to use force in that region is hardly make believe.

Have you ever READ a report like IranContra? Iraqgate? BCCI? CIA drugrunning?

Try it some time - the braincells will be hurting from extensive use, if you do.