Well in my mind it's done. Neither candidate will beat McCain & the DNC WILL screw up this GE! plus

[demo dutch]

there's nothing but petty fighting on this forum. Candidates are at each others throat, doing the GOP's work. Cross-overs are proloning the misery, DNC is letting the FL & MI nightmare go on! It's a joke! Just like the "Kerry" election!

I have lost my patience with this whole mess, I've been a Dem for ages and if my state had an open primary I'd been a registered Independent by now. I've said from day one... the Dems are going to screw it up again. It is ours to lose, and we're well on our way! Good going guys!

See you in 2010, we'll give it another hurl and see what happens then!

[book_worm]

1. March and you're already giving up?

[donheld]

2. Sorry you give up too easily

I still say, if we hammer on issues either candidate can win.

[MrModerate]

3. Puh-leeze. Do you really think that DU is an accurate reflection . . .

Of the electorate at large? Very few of them actually foam at the mouth upon hearing a nuanced difference of viewpoint from a fellow left-of-center adherent.

Sure the dems could screw this up. And the 'Licans still own the voting machines, so nothing's a sure thing. But either Obama or Clinton (or Edwards or Biden, for that matter) could/will beat McCain handily.

The people who vote are sick of 'Licans. McCain is a big-time asshole, a fact that gets rubbed in people's faces every day. He's a loser.

If you don't think that the party will be able to zipper together after the convention, then your view of the passion with which dems select their candidates doesn't jibe with mine -- or most other politically-aware-but-not-political-junkies (aka, "voters").

[demo dutch]

13. No here on DU, McCain is a loser, out there in the real world people see

him as a moderate. Poll after poll projects that he stands an excellent chance to win. I'm surrounded by GOP-ers and there's one issue that will persuade every GOP-er in the end and it's always about abortion. Whether it's crossovers who vote Hillary in order to prolong the misery or their current favorite Dem Obama, when they discover they're not anti-abortion, they'll line up behind McCain. Such are the rationalizations of a Conservative. Pretty sick but that's how it is.

[Hieronymus]

17. It didn't help that both Clinton's gave McCain glowing endorsements.

[MrModerate]

19. A woman's right to choose is a strong progressive view . . .

For which we owe no apologies and on which compromise is not an option.

We can try to win over people who think abortions are wrong for them (morally or sociologically) while acknowledging that they're right for other people. However, for those who cannot accept a woman's right to choose as sacred (and I use that term deliberately), nothing is going to win their votes. Let 'em stomach voting for a crazy old warmonger with a thirst for blood and no more ideas than Bush.

Myself, I left the country precisely to avoid such people.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

4. God Does Weakness Make Me Wanna Vomit.

:puke:

[Clovis Sangrail]

5. something people seem to overlook

is that the Dems didn't win in 2006... the Reps lost
We should have walked away with the election in 2004 as well but the party and candidates screwed up in every way they could.

I think this is headed the same direction... but I'd love to be wrong about that.

[demo dutch]

15. "Screwed up" Do you see a pattern? BTW 2006 and 2004 SHOULD have been a landslide!

but no!

[Jack Bone]

6. The voting machines will "Loose" the Election for the Democrats...

All of this Party infighting, Clergy comments, and other Bullshit previously scheduled( i.e. God, Guns, & Gays), just gives the M$M enough cover to predict w/ 74% of the precincts reporting, that John Mc* will be the 44th President of The United States. C'mon man..get real. I've seen this same crappy movie twice in my lifetime, I really won't watch it again.

[LSparkle]

7. Cooler heads will prevail re our nominee

I don't think the likes of Teddy Kennedy, John Kerry, Patrick Leahy, et al. are going
to let HRC's dirty campaign get in the way of a Democratic victory this fall. If
Obama is too bloody to be the nominee then maybe it'll have to be someone who's
ALREADY WON THE PRESIDENCY but hasn't been able to serve ... and Obama will be
given the VP slot. Just a prediction ...

[Arugula Latte]

8. That's nice. nt

[bullimiami]

9. i believe either is going to beat mccain in a landslide.

the pukes did nothing but badmouth mccain for 8 years now they are going to fall in love with him? dont think so.

there is a nice chunk of this country that is full to vomiting with the repukes and bushco and now mccain is playing huggy with the neocon cabal which he thinks is going to get him more votes. nope. just more marginal votes.

the mainstream by a huge margin is going to go democrat no matter who it is. mccain wont be close enough or have the criminal infrastructure in place (like rove did for bush) to steal it.

he is not well liked, even by his own party, and he is old and creepy looking and his voice is weak. and that will matter to some.

i know 2 elderly ladies who have voted republican their whole adult lives who are going to sit this one out. thats bellwether for you. mccain is done. stick a fork in him.

[demo dutch]

10. No real GOP-er (and I know plenty) will ever vote for a Dem for one reason and

and one reason only... "Abortion"! Believe it or not in the case of many is most often the deciding factor incl. my father-in-law who hates McCain.

Meanwhile the misery is continuing, our lame candidates are at each other's throat, doing the work of the GOP, the DNC is letting the FL/MI nightmare go on and on, cross-overs are manipulating our primary and doing a "heck of a job" (no pun intended) When they discover their favorate Dem is no anti-abortion, guess what!

Poll after poll is projecting that McCain stands an excellent chance, something the entire DU community fails to see.

[bullimiami]

18. polls have proven pretty unreliable. i dont expect die hards to vote for a dem.

i expect many of them are going to sit it out.

[Perry Logan]

11. It's a liberal thing. We love to predict disaster for ourselves.

[Yes We Did]

12. Here's the thing...

McCain doesn't stand a chance. He isn't being vetted right now, and once our fuck up is fixed they're going to go at him hard.

It's March! There is still plenty of time.

[demo dutch]

14. Pardon me, but frankly the "fuck-up: has already been done! Little fixing to be done at this point!

[Timmy5835]

16. McCain has so many skeletons is his closet

First and foremost, He's OLD. How many actually think he'd even make it through a campaign. It's not even started yet and already he's made major gaffes. Once it really gets started he may very well lose it. He's not a policy wonk or really that smart. Can you image him in a debate with Obama? Remember Kennedy vs. Nixon? Recall all those weird sound bites he uttered like bomb...bomb...bomb Iran and 100 years in Iraq? Those will be played over and over again. Yes, this campaign hasn't even started yet but when it does I kinda feel a little sorry for McCain.

[ORDem]

20. Take a chill pill dude (or dudette). Long way until the GE. You are going to burn out

too many brain cells getting worked up about this crap at this point.

:kick:

[PoliticalAmazon]

21. Not all Dems are doormats and robots.

We deride the Republicans for walking in robotic lock-step unison to anything the RNC tells them to do. They voted for Bush Jr because he was the GOP candidate, even though he was clearly unqualified.

So you want Dems to be like the GOP? I believe voting for Hillary Clinton, if she is the candidate, just because she is the candidate will get the same results as the GOP's voting for Bush Jr.

Sorry, but I-and many other Dems--will not be a robot for you.