Pathetic Obama camp get it wrong again - Organizer of NAFTA Meeting Said Hillary Was A NAFTA Critic

[chocome]

The story hit the bloggs and DU yesterday, obama bots claiming Hillary supported NAFTA because she attended a NAFTA meeting, and sure..
Obama camp follow up with personal attacks against HRC.

The Obama campaign is claiming that the fact that Hillary attended a meeting on the subject of NAFTA organized by David Gergen is proof that she was a champion of NAFTA.

And from firstread at msnbc

\"Seizing on the release of a White House schedule showing Clinton at a 1993 NAFTA meeting, as well as a report suggesting that she praised the trade accord while there, the Obama campaign held a conference call arguing that Clinton hadn\'t been honest with voters.

Obama communications director Robert Gibbs noted that when campaigning in Ohio, Clinton told voters that she had been a critic of NAFTA. “How is that even possible, Sen. Clinton?” Gibbs added that the voters are owed not only an apology but an explanation for what the truth is.
\"

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/

Here\'s what David Gergen said about Hillary\'s views on NAFTA:

I was actually there in the Clinton White House during the NAFTA fight and I must tell you Hillary Clinton was extremely unenthusiastic about NAFTA. And I think that’s putting it mildly. I’m not sure she objected to all the provisions of it but she just didn’t see why her husband and that White House had to go and do that fight. She was very unhappy about it and wanted to move on to health care. So I do think there’s some justification for her camp saying, you know, she’s never been a great backer for NAFTA.\"

There is also a youtube video out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQJxtzLQ51Q

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[ElsewheresDaughter]

1. they aren't interested in reality

[UALRBSofL]

13. EWD It is pretty clear Obama supporters don't care about the truth

when it comes to Clinton. I think they take there marching orders from Axelrod to discredit and smear the Clintons.

[Texas Hill Country]

30. no, logic has left the building with Elvis

[PoliticalAmazon]

51. Reality? Your check...

(BEGIN QUOTE)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/hillary-clinton-pretends-_b_86747.html

"Hillary Clinton Pretends She Never Praised NAFTA" (David Sirota)

In response to Barack Obama's attack on NAFTA, the Hillary Clinton campaign has gone into meltdown mode. Here's Dow Jones' Marketwatch:

"Clinton's campaign fired back at Obama, charging the Illinois senator with misrepresenting Clinton's position on trade...'Recently falsely claimed that Hillary said that NAFTA was a 'boon' to the economy. Now, Obama is resting his argument on a single paraphrase from an article written twelve years ago,' Clinton's campaign said in an emailed statement."
The Huffington Post has followed along with a laugh-out-loud piece in which the chief architects of NAFTA (many who are now wealthy corporate lawyers and lobbyists) are now saying, no, no, Hillary Clinton was really opposed to it. These are the same people, of course, who are looking for jobs in the Hillary Clinton White House.

Hillary Clinton has made statements unequivocally trumpeting NAFTA as the greatest thing since sliced bread. The Buffalo News reports that back in 1998, Clinton attended the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, and thanked praised corporations for mounting "a very effective business effort in the U.S. on behalf of NAFTA." Yes, you read that right: She traveled to Davos to thank corporate interests for their campaign ramming NAFTA through Congress.

On November 1, 1996, United Press International reported that on a trip to Brownsville, Texas, Clinton "touted the president's support for the North American Free Trade Agreement, saying it would reap widespread benefits in the region."

The Associated Press followed up the next day noting that Hillary Clinton touted the fact that "the president would continue to support economic growth in South Texas through initiatives such as the North American Free Trade Agreement."

In her memoir, Clinton wrote, "Senator Dole was genuinely interested in health care reform but wanted to run for president in 1996. He couldn't hand incumbent Bill Clinton any more legislative victories, particularly after Bill's successes on the budget, the Brady bill and NAFTA."

Yes, we are all expected to just forget that, so that Hillary Clinton's campaign can manufacture supposed "outrage" that anyone would say she supported NAFTA - all at a time her chief strategist, Mark Penn, simultaneously heads a firm that is right now pushing to expand NAFTA into South America.

What a total insult to America's intelligence.

(END OF QUOTE)

...and....

"The economic recovery plan stands first and foremost as a testament to both good ideas and political courage. National service. The Brady Bill. Family Leave. NAFTA." -- HRC, 2002

http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=106&subid=122&contentid=250750

"I think, on balance, NAFTA has been good for New York and America." -- HRC, 2004

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QJ0swdRvYgw

[Skwmom]

54. Reality: The only thing she criticized was pushing for NAFTA before health care.

It was the ORDER of the agenda items that she criticized, not NAFTA itself.

But I'm sure you already now this.

[jgraz]

2. Of course he did.

Another Clinton supporter using a Republican to prop up their candidate. :eyes:

BTW, you may want to read this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=346633&mesg_id=346633

There's a lot more evidence that Hillary supported NAFTA than there are former Republican Clinton Aides who are willing to lie for her.

[phrigndumass]

3. Must. Eat. Brains.

[EFerrari]

4. And that would be a lie.

For gawds sake, she and Bill were everywhere on the morning talks shows shilling for NAFTA.

[jgraz]

5. Who ya gonna believe? A Hill Supporter or your own lyin eyes?

[rodeodance]

9. Another Obama folk just threw David Gergen under the bus-!!

[snappyturtle]

42. As he should be. eom

[EFerrari]

14. I remember that really bad hair in particular.

But I can be really small sometimes.

lol

[TankLV]

52. A Hillary supporter and the TRUTH and MY EYES...

your TRY at spewing LIES has BACKFIRED - bigtime...

[juajen]

16. Could you provide a link? I do not remember this ever happening,

though I am not saying it's impossible; but, I do not remember Hillary making appearances supporting NAFTA. I was always against NAFTA and think I would have noticed this.

[EFerrari]

21. If you use google, you might find a transcript.

I did find one some time ago when her stance on NAFTA came under scrutiny and I didn't really know the history.

The one I remember the most (Today Show) was the Hillary part of it, notable for inserting her into the entire conversation when the host was only expecting to listen to Bill.

If I found the transcript about a year ago, it's still out there.

[HughBeaumont]

22. Money, they still haven't answered for THIS yet:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/GC01Df03.html
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/538674.cms
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/593175.cms

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhLBSLLIhUs
Hillary pushes for more h1-b visas and outsourcing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLNOSGM2jK4
Hillary Clinton's hypocrisy (part 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgdrh2Bc95M
Hillary Clinton's hypocrisy (part 2)

And the ones who HAVE actually support her views on this crappy practice. UNbelievable.

[Tippy]

24. Hillary on NAFTA.......

The Associated Press reported on 3/6/96 that she said, "NAFTA is proving its worth" and later praising NAFTA as "a free and fair trade agreement."

In her memoir, Clinton trumpeted her husband's "successes on the budget, the Brady bill and NAFTA."]

I was never in favor of NAFTA...but went along with it and supported it.... because of what Hillary had to say about it.... I have changed my mind .......and have been kicking myself ever since.....

[rucky]

6. That works for me.

Next!

[LSparkle]

7. She may have been critical behind the scenes, but came out for it

Maybe she caved in order to do health care -- opposition quickly flip-flopping
into support in order to GET WHAT SHE WANTED ...

[juajen]

20. Please provide proof of what you're saying. A link or quote, or

a reason why you should be believed. On DU we usually attempt to provide facts, not conjecture. Which is yours?

[zabet]

8. Welcome to DU..

GDP, the biggest snakepit
and troll hole on the tubes!

:hi:

[Sadie5]

12. Snakepit...whatever

But it's filled with lies and misinformation.

[rodeodance]

10. Thanks

[rodeodance]

11. REC

[LulaMay]

15. Like they slimed her on Walmart. She spoke up for workers, diversity, women.

But all people can whine about is that she was supposedly supposed to single handedly unionize them, even thought the unions themselves admit they have not organized enough, built an effort to succeed.

She spoke up for wage increases, promoting women and minorities, equal pay...

It's easy to Google.

[chocome]

17. I do think the Superdelegates will take notice of how the Obama campaign are using Rove tactics

One thing is politics, but when did Democrates use lies as a campaign tool ?

[Iceburg]

41. Yes -- this isn't going to help him -- he sounding desperate /nt

[krkaufman]

58. Aren't you supposed to append some sort of "irony" or "sarcasm" tag?

It's fairly obvious you're being ironic, but just to avoid confusion, ya know.

[RamboLiberal]

18. Jake Tapper reports attendees say she was supporting NAFTA

But the more troublesome question I have is one the Clinton campaign has repeatedly refused to answer ever since we talked to two attendees of that 1993 meeting in which then-First Lady Clinton was telling businesswomen NAFTA would be good for the country and the economy.

If "Hillary Clinton was personally opposed to NAFTA" at the time, as her campaign now claims, why was she telling the American people that it was good for the economy?

Why did one attendee of that November 1993 meeting -- unaffiliated with any campaign -- recall the meeting to me by saying Clinton's "remarks were totally pro-NAFTA and what a good thing it would be for the economy. There was no equivocation for her support for NAFTA at the time. Folks were pleased that she came by. If this is a still a question about what Hillary's position when she was First Lady, she was totally supportive of NAFTA."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/hillary-clint-1.html

[slinkerwink]

28. Two ATTENDEES SAY CLINTON LIES

[1776Forever]

19. Someone isn't telling the truth - HRC wrote it was a good thing in her book & this post says more...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3234662

[redqueen]

33. Someone should post the statements from her book. (nt)

[1776Forever]

59. Here you go........

David Sirota
Clinton Gets Caught Again on NAFTA

Posted February 24, 2008

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/clinton-gets-caught-again_b_88200.html

(snip)

According to NBC's Meet the Press, in 2004, Clinton said, "I think, on balance, NAFTA has been good for New York and America."

In her memoir, Clinton trumpeted her husband's "successes on the budget, the Brady bill and NAFTA."

And in 1998, Bloomberg News reports that she praised corporations for mounting "a very effective business effort in the U.S. on behalf of NAFTA." Another direct quote.

..........

Ask and you shall receive.

[totodeinhere]

23. Why did you have to go negative and call the Obama camp "pathetic?"

Just make your point but don't call anyone names. We are all Dems and we need to come together after the convention, and this doesn't help.

[K Gardner]

47. This is the 12th poster I've made note of in 3 days that has appeared here using the

term "Obamabot", calling the "obamabots" pathetic.. and attacking Obama or defending Hillary by attacking Obama. Look like a pattern to you? Does to me.

[Xardoni]

25. There are no witnesses accusing Hillary of pushing NAFTA in that meeting

If you accuse someone, you don't just use attendance to a meeting as evidence of how that person behaved in the meeting.
People can't just blindly believe the reasoning that " person X attended a meeting on subject Y, therefore X supported Y.

[chocome]

26. Obama says she exaggerates her role in peace process, in phone call with Ahern, Obama praise HRC

Remember this one ?
Obama camp talking HRC down on the peace process

http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/845379,CST-NWS-hill16.article

Obama\\\'s campaign reacted to Clinton\\\'s Northern Ireland position paper by sending out an e-mail accusing Clinton of exaggerating her role in her husband\\\'s efforts to encourage Northern Ireland\\\'s peace process.

In President Clinton\\\'s own book about his work in Northern Ireland, he did not talk about any particular contribution by Hillary Clinton,\\\" Obama campaign manager David Plouffe said Saturday.

But hey, what did Obama himself do behind media light? ...well..in a phone call with Mr.Ahern, Obama Acknowledges Hillary\\\'s Role In Northern Ireland Peace Process.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA_LBieb8PQ

Anchor: The Taoiseach has said it would be very unfair for anyone to deny Hilary Clinton credit for her role in the peace process. Speaking in Washington Mr. Ahern said she had played an important role in the process along with her husband.

Reporter: A busy round of official engagements in Washington today finished at Congress with a lunch hosted by the Speaker of the House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi. The three candidates for the presidency weren’t there, but Mr. Ahern did meet Hillary Clinton and speak on the phone to Barack Obama this morning. The Obama campaign has been questioning Senator Clinton’s involvement in the peace process but Mr. Ahern said she had played a significant and important role.

Ahern: “I have to say in my conversation this morning that was totally acknowledged by Senator Obama. So I’m not getting into the politics of this but I think for anyone to try to question the Clinton’s huge support and start trying to nit-pick.”
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And you have the Race card that HRC camp never played, the iraq war that he claims he is superior on, but voting records show otherwise, founding every request from Bush, and then there is NAFTA, and sure..the peace process..

and this is the \\\"new kind of politics\\\" ?

[PetraPooh]

27. If she was "and I must tell you Hillary Clinton was extremely unenthusiastic about NAFTA." then

why did she go to so many meetings regarding it? Sounds like Gergen knows which side his bread is buttered on, but lacks overall honesty.

[chocome]

31. You are speculating. When did progressives listen to facts before making a judgment ?

I miss the times when people actually respected facts and not speculating in the wild and posting innuendoes.

[Forkboy]

32. Progressive don't like facts? Is that you wyldwolf?

:rofl:

[sniffa]

34. I totally forgot about that guy

I haven't seen him in months.

[chocome]

35. why dont you all sorts threads by username and see the Obama camp trolls ?

I know who you are...:-)

[sniffa]

38. Good point

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5149776

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5149543&mesg_id=5149543

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5149621

[K Gardner]

50. Good lord, its an epidemic. Where'd they all come from?

[K Gardner]

49. And you are... who exactly? You come in here with this name-calling crap and think it flies?

[PetraPooh]

36. "unenthusiastic" has a particular meaning that is belied by the # of meetings.

Argue all you want, the facts regarding this aspect are settled. If she was unenthusiastic and since she had no requirement to attend, she wouldn't have attended. Now, if he had said she was "enthusiastically against" it then we might have something yet to learn as to the honesty and accuracy of his comments.

[Texas Hill Country]

29. duh.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

37. Yeah, I'm sure she was actively trying to undermine her president husbands efforts

to get NAFTA passed...

[Oilwellian]

39. ROFL...Gergen lied

You need to catch up on the news. There are more witnesses who've come forward and said Hillary was VERY supportive of passing NAFTA. At one event, Gergen was the master of ceremonies.

:rofl:

[snappyturtle]

40. Gergen is not credible....Here read what John Nichols has to say

on the subject.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5180025

[ulysses]

43. why am I supposed to believe Gergen?

:shrug:

[Barack_America]

44. If she was a critic of it, why didn't she come out against it?

Isn't that what y'all are slamming Obama for? That listening to Wright's sermons, without speaking out, makes him complicit?

So isn't Hillary also complicit for NAFTA, using that logic?

[Faygo Kid]

45. Gergen loved Obama's speech on race, too. And up to 25 posts, I see. Congrats.

Another of the endless new Hillary trolls infesting DU. You do your assignments well, but transparently.

[K Gardner]

46. This is strange. Another fresh face attacking "Obamabots" .. and you come

here accusing "Obamabots" of creating a "lie", when this has been all over the media and talk radio, MSM TV since the schedule came out.

Want to try again? Miss Kos much?

[madrchsod]

56. i forgot about the kos boycott

i guess we are getting the sloppy seconds...

i get confused at times-i`m old as dirt ,but it seemed that this was reported by different sources that she was in favor of nafta...

[PoliticalAmazon]

48. NAFTA, SCHMAFTA. She eagerly sent American jobs to India.

She was an eager little congressional pony for her corporate masters in India. At one point she even promised (Asia Times article) in a speech that she would deliver other congressional Dems to vote for an increase in the guestworker program numbers--for INDIA.

She is the biggest two-faced liar that has ever appeared before American voters as a presidential candidate. She promises to stop the hemorrhage of American outsourced jobs. She promises to bring jobs back to the U.S....BOTH CONDITIONS SHE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR.

For the last 7 years she has ignored the pleas from her voting base and instead did the bidding of the neocons...voting to get America into a mideastern war, sending our jobs abroad...now she's Born Again! She wants us to forget all that she's done!

Well, not ALL Democratic Party voters are doormats, and some of us actually DO remember how she made promises she never intended to keep, and worked to destroy middle-class America.

[juajen]

53. I am amazed at how powerful she is;

No wonder she can claim all that experience, and isn't it amazing that she got reelected to the Senate from NY when she was sending all those jobs overseas.

[gabeana]

55. Yeah with supporters like you

the gullible

[krkaufman]

57. Funny. Nothing you provide demonstrates that Hillary was against NAFTA ...

... only that she didn't want it being pushed before her health care initiative.

Can you link to any public speeches or statements from Hillary opposing NAFTA, or criticizing its lack of enforceable environmental and labor provisions, during her years as First Lady?