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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 04:52 PM
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How Obama-Demographic Yuppies Perpetuate Racism
DISCLAIMER: I am an Obama supporter, as many here well know.


Scene One - Saturday morning, 11 am. An urban park in Regentrified City, ringed with renovated brownstones and gut rehab condos. On one side, a dog run, on another, a playground. In between, white folks playing pick-up basketball. Around the playground twenty sets of young parents hover over McClaren and Frog strollers, watching their kids, 18-months to four years, cavort on the new plastic and wood equipment. They chat here and there with each other, secretly envious or pitying if kiddo has or hasn't hit the targets they read about on BabyCenter.com. None are worried about needles lurking in the jungle gym. They're all in their late twenties or early thirties, except three couples, who are in their early forties. There are two gay couples, both women. They're mostly symbolic analytic workers or technicians. She's a professor, close to tenure. He's a Web Sphere Architect. She's a financial analyst. He's a doctor. She's a stay-at-home Mom, but used to design databases for a major retailer. One or two own boutique stores. One guy is a trendy craftsman, making usable metal sculptures, like lamps, that sell in high end stores. She's an A&R for an indy label. They're all white. Not all the kids are, though.

The total cost for the clothing worn by the twenty children is $1200, the total cost for the clothing they're wearing is $4800. The strollers - all 20 of 'em - cost $8000. The twelve out of twenty young families that stopped into a brunch place this morning spent $540 for breakfast. Between just the clothes they're wearing right now, their strollers, and their eggs benedicts, they've spent $14,540, or almost 83% of the poverty level ($17,600) for annual income for a family of 3.

You see very few children over the age of five in our Regentrified City Park. Why?

You know why.

Scene Two - My apartment, Thursday afternoon. I finished a conference paper I was writing (yay!), and now I'm writing this. My daughter's in daycare. My wife's at work in the Loop. Wealth management, they call what she does. My daughter, two years old, has been in daycare since she was three months old, when my wife's full-pay maternity leave was up (I never saw her so happy to be going to work!). Our annual daycare expenses exceed the poverty level for a single person, annual income. What do we get in return? Free time to work and make money - more money than the cost of daycare, by far. But you need that time.

What else do we get? On the day my daughter steps into formal school for the first time, she will have spent better than four years learning the institutional structures of the school, virtually her whole life. She will understand what this room is with all these kids and desks and shapes on the wall, she will have developed mechanisms for dealing with the teacher-figure, for sitting quietly when asked, for interacting. She's in a full-on zone of proximal development already, at age two. She will be institutionally savvy; her transition into school will be almost uneventful.

Consider others who may be in her classroom. They've never been in a room like this before in their lives. Why are so many kids around? Why do I have to sit down now? Who is this person telling me what to do, and when to do it? Where's my Mommy? What do I do if I have to use the bathroom? What are these activities they're asking me to do with these other kids I don't even know? And why do all the other kids seem to know what to do? By the time that kid catches up with my daughter in institutional knowledge, they'll be in second grade, maybe third, the first round of tests will have come and gone, and they'll be tracked. Whoooosh. She’s gone. “Gifted,” maybe, and we pretend to remember that she was always so smart. It’s not the thousand books in the house or the culture of reading that was bought and paid for in universities with tens of thousands of dollars. It’s not the resources she has. It’s not the institutional savvy she’s developed that was bought and paid for with tens of thousands of dollars. Nope. She was just always so smart. And if somebody else isn’t, well, you can’t throw money at the problem, doncha know. Maybe it’s the parents of those troubled kids who are to blame…

We all have our illusions.

Scene Three – The future. A kid is looking at colleges. They’re very competitive, just like the magnet school was, and the specialized high school, and the Westinghouse competition. Luckily, Mom and Dad know a thing or two about how to read college information, where to find scholarships, all the resource literacy you need to locate the stuff that will give you an edge. For a moment, you consider all those kids from the other high school, the zoned school. Will they be applying too?

No. They probably won’t be. Not to your schools.

And for a brief moment you wonder about why. You wonder about how competitive college and jobs would be if they WERE applying. The thought has struck your parents as well from time to time. They’re good liberals, very progressive. But what if all those kids had a chance for your schools? What if all those kids had a chance for your job? Wow. It would be tougher. Much tougher – and it’s tough enough already.

You can’t throw money at the problem, you think. Dad says that from time to time. You flip open your laptop, and start revising your application essay. You can’t throw money at the problem...
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 04:59 PM
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1. Very well put a_m.
People are often unaware of the kind of "social capital" that is needed, in addition to money, to become what is considered successful in the world. Or maybe a lot of them are aware, and deliberately horde it. :(
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 05:09 PM
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2. I often heard the University system described as a system designed to perpetuate class privilege. nt
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 05:19 PM
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5. no, the US university system does that
In Scotland universities are free. Here in France the average tuition for a year is 200 Euros, 200 Euro for a year. Many students from the poorest classes pay a whopping 5 EURO per YEAR, yes 5 EURO PER YEAR to attend college.

California had free universities until governor Reagan did away with them, he said people couldnt appreciate something they did not have to pay for. He thought that too many poor folks were getting cultural capital and that they would change society.

The US education system is fucked and is in place to help the elite stay elite. This is not the case all over the world.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 05:34 PM
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7. Actually, the initial claims to that effect were made by Louis Althusser and Pierre Bourdieu
Specifically about the French university system.

Just sayin'...
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:01 PM
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13. right on
Althusser was a Marxist who proned for more equal access universities from what I have read and Bordieu stressed the conflict between the dominated and the dominators. The idea behind keeping tuitions low in France, and the fight to make universities free, relates to the views of these men. If you let more of the dominated, who are ususally poor, access universities. Eventually, even though they will be graded and judged by the dominators for a time, eventually people will jump from the dominated to the dominator class. Eventaully many of these folks will no longer seek to dominate because they will remember being dominated. This leads to a debate about cultural capital, which exists in the USA as well. the problem in the USA is that cost prohibits many from accessing the universities. Here cost is not an issue. You can start of dirt poor and still access universities easily here in France because you need only get a high school diploma (everyone here has a test called the BAC, which is the same throughout France, so you must meet the same criteria as everyone). Once you do this you get your high school diploma, something 2 out of 3 people do today, up from 1 out of 3 a generation ago. This diploma get you access to any state university. There is no competition, it is your right to go to the university. So if you are willing to learn what is required of you you can get a diploma from the university at very little cost. I would be interested to see what these 2 gentlemen would have said about the growing access to universities here in Frence it its impact upon the dominated dominator struggle.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 05:10 PM
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3. Exactly. Everytime someone like Scarborough yammers on about
educated elitists, I want to scream. Blue collar jobs were sold overseas by the Rs and NAFTA, and the nation was told it would be retrained for the jobs of the 21st century. Those jobs were outsourced too. But you still needed the college level training for those jobs in which you didn't get dirt under your nails. I want someone to say that in one of these discussions, and include your points too.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 05:17 PM
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4. Dont assume that all those white, Liberal parents agree that "You can’t throw money at the problem."
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 05:19 PM by Dr Fate
And for those who dont, I'm not sure what you expect them to do- perhaps they should give more of their money to other people's kids?

In any event, we agree that white kids, whether they live in the city or in the suburbs, have it better than black kids.

Their parents live and work within the political & economic structure that was handed to them-perhaps your criticism is that they dont do enough to change it, and they dont live below their means in order to make a political point to their kids. Perhaps some work 40 hours plus a week, and spend their spare time with the kids instead of at protests, etc. Perhaps some do indeed take their kids to political events.

I've been called a "Yuppie" before, and I can barely pay my rent and I certainly cant pay off my debts- must be my short hair (used to be long before it started thinning), glasses, office work clothes I'm required to wear, and white skin- yet I do believe in spending more money on education for everyone. One of my biggest issues, actually.

I dont have the answers, just similar observations-but maybe a different take on why things are the way they are. Or maybe not...

I dont see white yuppies who spend time worrying about their own kids as the biggest problem- but yeah, we are all part of the problem as well as potentially part of the solution...
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 05:35 PM
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8. What do I want them to do?
I don't know.

It's not easy.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:26 PM
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24. I think we agree-It's hard enough for the politically aware with spare time to change things.
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 06:35 PM by Dr Fate
...So think how hard it is for a "yuppie" with a kid and a 40 hour plus a week job to make time to worry about things outside their immediate world. Could they donate more of their time & income to Liberal causes as opposed to spending it on their own family? I guess we all could.

I would blame the perpetuation of classism and racism on corrupt politicians, media and a corrupt top 1% before I would focus on middle class people with kids- who are maybe just playing the game by the rules that were handed to them...

BTW- you seem to be describing the park by the Marina Library- are you? If so, maybe we could meet for a beer sometime.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:18 PM
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29. Next time you're in Chicago...
:-)
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 05:31 PM
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6. I'm glad I'm not a yuppie.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 05:55 PM
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9. I've done poor and I've done yuppie
Yuppie's better. Trust me.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 05:57 PM
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10. I don't know...
it just seems like more to worry about.

As much as I don't like living hand-to-mouth, and the fear of falling behind (which happens)... and as much as I'd like to go on a vacation for once in my life, or do more stuff... it just seems so easy to get too caught up in it.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 05:59 PM
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11. Good wine, vacation, and nice restaurants make up for it
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:00 PM
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12. Yes...
I'm starting to see where you're coming from. :)

It does all seem very indulgent though. I was raised in a spartan household though, so my perspective is likely skewed.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:06 PM
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14. I was raised very lower middle class in NYC
Which is a polite way of saying poor.

Yes, very spartan. Not good.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:09 PM
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17. I think I tend to want to
romanticize the things about my life that weren't the best. Find a bright side, you know? Maybe not the best idea...
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:11 PM
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19. You'll not find a more obnoxious "I Was Poor Once" authenticity fetish than my own
Yes, I know what you mean. :-)
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:19 PM
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23. Heh...
it may also be a defense mechanism... so that I don't feel too envious when I think of the things I can't do. :P
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:10 PM
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18. damn right
We have a small 2 bedroom condo, a bottom of the line new station wagon, a little Peugeot 206 5 seater to get us around, and because we are teachers, we get lots of vacation time. I will be going to Amsterdam for the 3rd time within the past 12 months in three weeks. In two weeks we have a weekend in the mountains. We went to Hungary last fall, the USA last spring and will go to the USA again this summer. Yes I have to wear "nice" clothes to teach at the university. I get away with jeans and tshirts at the high school where I work (long story, lots of little contracts at the same time). Yes we have to pay for the car, and the mortgage. By here in France my wife is a "fonctionnaire", so she has basically a guaranteed job for life. We do not worry about money too much even if we are unually broke the last week of each month, broke after saving up for our vacations and putting a little away for our daughter. I have to say that after years of not wanting to become a yuppie that I find the lifestyle to be agreeable and far easier than my father's working class life.

Good hash, vacation and free time make up for having to pay bills. But I am one of the lucky folks who had parents pay for their higher education (I was born and raised in the USA by American parents) and am lucky to have a wife with a job for life. I am sure many more people would be "yuppies" if they had been luckier.

The rat race is not all that bad if you are happy with small cars, small condos, and you eat out rarely to save up for plane tickets to go on holiday. It is about working the system, not working for the system.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:06 PM
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15. Obama did all of those things starting from a non yuppie-demographic, no?
Also, your pricing on the clothes/stroller/breakfast is over the top, even for Manhattan.

Still, yuppies are the ones fighting on progressive issues more often than not, giving to Democratic and liberal causes, donating to candidates like Obama who support investment in public schools.

I see what you're saying, and elements of it have merit. We can all live our lives in ways that do not encourage a bad system that favors some over others.

However, I think your targeting of yuppies and the Obama demographic is off the mark, because there are a lot of conservative yuppies who live in the exurbs who could give fuck all about, and in fact, wouldn't even understand what you are saying.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:09 PM
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16. It's easy enough to hit the conservative exurbs; anyone can do that
Far more difficult (and necessary) is to think through how those who are *like us* (like me!) promote a system even against their own desires to change it.


As for pricing, I'm counting shoes. I think I'm underquoting, actually. :-)
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:14 PM
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21. second hand
If the expensive shoes and the cheap shoes come from China buy the cheap ones. If the expensive ones are made in the USA or in western Europe then I can see paying more.

My kid wears hand me downs!

I am a yuppie.

Work the system, do not work for it is my motto.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:18 PM
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22. I re-read it, and I guess I missed that it was combined totals.
I understand that, and despite being an urban semi-yuppie, I never spent on clothes like that. It's always good to get a look in the mirror.

However, the alternative in terms of schooling is to what? Send your kids to your local public school no matter how dilapidated and understaffed in protest? Unacceptable.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:12 PM
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20. good strollers
are in the 600 to 900 euro range here in France. Our stroller was 700 euro new, but we bought it second hand on ebay after 2 years of use for only 150 euro. Again, work the system, do not work for it.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:27 PM
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25. I averaged stroller costs at $400
adult clothing at $160.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:39 PM
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26. interesting post.
I'm suddenly compelled to look at what I'm wearing - it's my work outfit, khakis, cotton shirt, sneakers. Think about what my kid is wearing - $20? $30? I'm not sure, but most of it is from Target.

I think about the house in which I sit my behind at this moment - $178k, for which we had to move out to the wilds of west GA, after nine years in the First House, for which we paid $60k and into which we sank a great deal of time and effort before selling almost three years ago for a little under $120k.

I think about my job. I teach, primarily, kids from poor families, and have for some time. Yes, they're majority minority. Call it the blooding of the idealist - yes, I know why there aren't any kids older than five on that playground. It's happening around my old school.

White Liberal Guilt - well, yeah. My students' parents aren't privvy to half the kind of financial advice and support that I am. I'm not subject to even the smallest fraction of the bias they face daily. One would have to be stupid or Republican (but I repeat myself) to deny that.

But what do we do? I can lay down my white male privilege, but as long as the system is the system, to what end?
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:45 PM
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27. I commonly wear 200 euros of clothes
my hemp clothes are expensive.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:22 PM
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28. Did ya count the shoes?
My little one wear mostly Targee as well, but the shoes count, and a light jacket?

I only allocated $60 per child. Socks, diapers, onesies, shoes, it starts to add up.

I don't mean "White Liberal Guilt" at all, which strikes me as a reactionary concept. Guilt is a useless emotion might be the point.
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