Poll shows Obama fading; Speech didn't help.

[Misanthrope2]

Rasmussen Daily Presidential Tracking Poll:

"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows Likely Democratic Primary Voters evenly divided the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination. Nationally, Barack Obama now holds a statistically insignificant one-point advantage over Hillary Clinton, 45% to 44%. Before the story broke about his former Pastor, Obama led Clinton by eight percentage points. Today’s results are identical to those just before Obama’s Tuesday morning speech (see recent daily results).

Nationally, 51% of all Likely Voters said that speech was good or excellent. Just 21% said poor. However, 56% remain concerned about Obama’s relationship with Pastor Jeremiah Wright. See Obama’s Speech.

On Friday, Obama’s favorable ratings remain little changed from recent days—48% favorable, 50% unfavorable. Before the Pastor Problem became big news, Obama was viewed favorably by 52%. One month ago, he was viewed favorably by 56%. The number with a Very Unfavorable opinion of Obama has increased from 26% a week ago to 33% today."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

[book_worm]

1. you failed to mention that Hillary's unfavorable rating is 55% and favorable 43%

and that despite a tough week (which has gotten much better as it ends) he still leads Clinton and does better than Clinton head to head vs. McCain according to the same pollster you cite.

p.s.
Gallup daily tracking is showing the reverse that Obama is coming back.

[Connie_Corleone]

5. And a CBS poll on the speech showed 70% approved of Obama's speech.

[DemBones DemBones]

7. An online poll?

:shrug:

[Adelante]

9. Not an online poll nt

[book_worm]

13. Nope

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/21/173723/656/312/481756

[Misanthrope2]

19. Nope. Where did you get that?

As it says on the link I provided but you did not read:

"Daily tracking results are collected via nightly telephone surveys and reported on a four-day rolling average basis. The next Presidential Tracking Poll update is scheduled for Friday at 11:00 a.m. The results are also compiled on a full-week basis and crosstabs for the full-week results are available for Premium Members. See crosstabs for general election match-ups, favorable ratings and Democratic primary."

[Muttocracy]

34. they were replying to someone else, not you nt

[Misanthrope2]

37. Thank you. I have many on my ignore list for posting attacks. N/T

[bilgewaterbill]

72. You have 44 posts. How many attacks could you have had?

Or are you a sock puppet? Or maybe a re-animated tombstone?

[Misanthrope2]

73. I ignore for posting personal attacks on anyone, not just me.

Why are you calling me names? I was an elected Democrat and I am a trial lawyer.

I will vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is. How about you?

Did you have a comment about the polls?

[bilgewaterbill]

75. Asking a question is NOT calling you names.

You keep repeating your pedigree like it puts you above reproach. It doesn't.

I'm a Dad. I have 4 teens that I've been blessed by God with responsibility of raising to adulthood. I will vote for whoever presents the greater chance of improving the world for them.

As for THE poll (you only cited one), it goes up and down daily. Let's see what happens over the next few weeks.

And counselor, you did NOT answer any of MY questions. You did create a strawman, standard attorney fare. Is that why you are a FORMER elected Democrat? Feel free to add me to your ignore list. You won't have to answer then.

[Misanthrope2]

79. What question did you ask? I will answer it if I can.

Other than that, we will just have to disagree.

And please stop breeding. We do not need more humans.

And the best candidate will be the Democratic one. So you will vote for whoever wins. right?

The poll is not going up and down. It shows Obama trending up in negatives and down in support, unless that is what you mean by up and down.

[Maine-ah]

109. "please stop breeding"

wow.

you don't like personal attacks, yet you do them yourself.

[bilgewaterbill]

123. I rest my case.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

93. 3/21/08 Obama 45% Clinton 44%

if the Pastor had any influence Ms Hillary would be 60% and Obama 40% and basically this is not so

03/21/08
44%
45%
03/21/08

03/20/08
x
x
03/20/08
43%
46%
03/20/08

03/19/08
x
x
03/19/08
42%
47%
03/19/08

[Misanthrope2]

98. Links, please. What are you showing us? N/T

[Rosa Luxemburg]

101. latest Ram polls

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/daily_presidential_tracking_polling_history

[Misanthrope2]

103. Those numbers are a week old. And before Rev. Wright.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

106. 3/21/08 is not a week old it is a daily tracking poll!!!!

how do you think they are a week old it is 3/22/08?

[Misanthrope2]

112. The dates on the polls you posted are 3-21 and earilier.

You posted numbers from 3-19 to 3-21. The link is to older numbers, too. I was wrong to say it was a week off, I got today's date mixed up. My apologies.

Now, do you see what the numbers show?

In the last week or ten days of the polls, Obama has lost a lot of support, going from near 50 percent to about 45 percent. In the same time, Clinton has picked up from about 42 to 44 percent. Today's poll now moves Clinton up to 46 percent and Obama down to 44 percent, so the trend continues. If not Wright, why do you think the gain for Clinton and loss for Obama?

And that is not the negatives, where the gain for Clinton is much sharper.

In negatives, Obama went way up.

"On Saturday, Obama’s favorable ratings slipped a little further—46% favorable, 51% unfavorable. Before the Pastor Problem became big news, Obama was viewed favorably by 52%. One month ago, he was viewed favorably by 56%."

For the first time , his unfavorable is more than his favorable. Again, it is the Rev. Wright thing.

Again, sorry for getting the date wrong on the earlier post. I guess I was just ahead on my time.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

117. not according to Gallup

he is on ethe way back again
http://www.gallup.com/poll/105559/Gallup-Daily-Clinton-Now-47-Obamas-45.aspx

[Misanthrope2]

120. Clinton up by two in both Gallup and Rasmussen. N/T

[Rosa Luxemburg]

122. Today 3/22/08 Obama up in Gallup

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5208252

[Rosa Luxemburg]

107. 3/21/08 is not a week old it is a daily tracking poll!!!!

how do you think they are a week old it is 3/22/08?

[Misanthrope2]

113. You did not post 3-22. But I will.

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
Saturday, March 22, 2008
Advertisment

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows ongoing volatility in the Democratic Presidential Nomination. Nationally, Hillary Clinton now holds a very slight advantage over Barack Obama, 46% to 44%. Before the story broke about his former Pastor, Obama led Clinton by eight percentage points (see recent daily results).

[2rth2pwr]

70. That's her ceiling. All the time she has been in the public

eye, around 55% is the max it goes for her. Obama has no ceiling for this number.

[Seabiscuit]

124. No one forgot anything. The OP was about Obama, not Hillary.

Typical.

Like trying to defend Obama's 20 year saturation in "The Wright Stuff" by saying: "But Hillary is still married to the Clenis!"

[PM7nj]

2. Are you delusional? Fading?

[Misanthrope2]

21. Not delusional. Former elected Democrat. How about you?

I am a trial lawyer, former elected Democrat, magna cum laude degree in political science, honors degree in law from a top law school and have worked on many, many campaigns.

The poll numbers show that Obama's national support is falling, and his negatives are rising.

Those are called "facts."

You are welcome.

[cbayer]

25. You can expect much more of this kind of reaction if you dare to report anything that

does not support one candidate or another.

Actually, you can expect much of this if you post anything at all.

It's like paint ball, just not as much fun and much more brutal.

[Misanthrope2]

29. Damn funny. Thanks for the advice. N/T

[musicblind]

62. I have noticed

I have intentionally made certain posts that are not biased to either candidate and watch people try and FIND things to attack about. I saw a poster criticised for not capitalizing the "h" in hillary???? I mean I support Hillary but, come on now. Sometimes people get lazy when they type. I've not capitalized the first letter in lots of names on messageboards ...


It is a lot like paintball. No matter WHAT you say, you'll be dodging. People don't come on here to discuss anymore. They come on here to vent. If you come on here to discuss and not vent then they get pissed at that, because it is not what they want. Makes me made because this is a DISCUSSION board not a therapists office.

[Misanthrope2]

81. A good observation.

I did not think my post was much more than facts and a simple observation about the facts. I guess some people saw it differently. I think my post is evidence of what you say. Perhaps once we get to the general election, we can get back to discussing with less venting. Thank you for your comment. I will try to keep it in mind when I write.

[jefferson_dem]

45. Nice resume.

Given that he's supposedly fading, what advice would you offer to turn things around? I'm sure you can provide something constructive regarding our party's eventual nominee since you have worked on many, many campaigns and you are undoubtedly a proud democrat.

Welcome to DU, by the way. :hi:

[SoxFan]

50. I call bullshit

I am a family law attorney, former Democratic state legislator, current municipal official, and a former campaign aide for Paul Simon and Paul Tsongas. Don't even try to play that game with me.

The poll numbers show that the Democratic Party has some serious internal divisions, but that Obama's negatives pale in comparison to Hillary's. Obama just spent the last week and a half having the raciall-charged kitchen sink thrown at him by the Clinton campaign and its media friends like Brian Ross, Lou Dobbs, and assorted Fox nitwits. After all of this, he still has better numbers than Hillary.

[Misanthrope2]

53. Obama negatives: 50 percent. Clinton: 51 percent.

I provided the link. What is your evidence?

The trend is that his numbers are rising, according to the polls. What is your evidence?

I started out doing family law and my mentor was a great family law judge. It is much too hard.

So, counselor, shouldn't you support your claims with evidence, like that in the link I provided?

[stillcool]

63. You never know...

Hillary Clinton: Is the Democratic Nomination All Hers?
She doesn’t have the nomination prize wrapped up just yet, but the paper and ribbon are handy.
By Richard Sammon, Senior Associate Editor, The Kiplinger Letter
October 22, 2007
http://www.kiplinger.com/businessresource/forecast/archive/Hillary_Clinton_Is_Democratic_Nomination_Hers_071022.html

Hillary Clinton’s lead over her Democratic rivals is starting to look formidable. The N.Y. senator is overshadowing the other presidential hopefuls, pulling way ahead in the polls, in fundraising and in organization.

The media are starting to refer to her as the presumptive nominee, a characterization that must make the other candidates feel frustrated.

CLINTON HAS 33-POINT LEAD
By GEOFF EARLE
October 4, 2007 -- WASHINGTON - Hillary Rodham Clinton has jumped to an astounding 33-point lead over Barack Obama, topping her main rival among every major slice of the electorate and widening a dominating advantage she has held all summer.

Clinton got support from a full majority for the first time in any national survey about the Democratic presidential field. She is backed by 53 percent in the latest Washington Post/ABC News poll.

Obama follows far behind, with 20 percent, and John Edwards has 13 percent.

"I think it's pretty well done, don't you? All over but the voting," said Rep. Tom Petri (D-Wis.), when asked about the poll
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10042007/news/nationalnews/clinton_has_33_point_lead.htm

Iowa Poll Shows Clinton Ahead By 29 Percent
http://wap.nbc5.com/detail.jsp?key=251931&rc=ln_ne
10/08/2007 -- There's a new poll out in the all important state of Iowa that shows presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Clinton ahead by 29 percent, with John Edwards and Sen. Barack Obama not far behind.

Poll: Hillary Ahead In South Carolina
By Eric Kleefeld - August 22, 2007, 10:35AM
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2007/08/poll_hillary_ahead_in_south_carolina.php
New polling from Rasmussen has Hillary Clinton beating Barack Obama in the South Carolina primary, with 38% for Hillary against 30% for Obama, with John Edwards at a distant third with 13%. Hillary and Obama are even among black voters, a demographic in which Obama needs a strong majority in order to win. Among whites, Hillary leads with Edwards in second, and Obama far behind.

[rodeodance]

78. BO does like to take after Hillary: BO; "I think hillary is right..." (debates)

[SoCalDem]

83. Well that does prove one thing.. The HRC/Rush alliance has been somewhat successful

The lady must be so proud of herself.. If she cannot win, then no one can ..not much of a team player, that hillary

:puke:

[Misanthrope2]

86. Clinton can win.

There is no Clinton Limbaugh alliance. If you really want to discuss that claim, what is your proof?

And what about the polls showing Obama falling in support and gaining negatives, as above?

[SoCalDem]

90. I do not trust freeper polls (rassmussen)

The Rush alliance has been all over the media and in most newspapers.. google is your friend :hi:

[Misanthrope2]

97. Then what do you trust? Please link. N/T

[SoCalDem]

99. you already thanked me for posting the link...above

:)

[Misanthrope2]

102. What link showing what? I don't see it. The alliance? Not there.

[SoCalDem]

104. aaah.. that.. I suggested google to you.. still do

:)

[Misanthrope2]

115. So no link? Suggesting google is no evidence of anything,

[SoCalDem]

118. ........

[cameozalaznick]

74. Well I'm a former race car driver,

president of the U.N. and SUPREME court judge and bagel-maker. And I did poodle grooming on my off days.

[Misanthrope2]

84. Cool. Where do you race?

I was on the Western Pro Series Tour, sanctioned by SCCA Pro Racing and NASCAR, and was rookie of the year in 1994. I was only a judge pro tem in Newport Harbor Municipal Court in Newport Beach, California and my bagels are atrocious.

The point is that if someone launches an irrelevant personal attack calling me a sock puppet or dead tombstone, I get to respond with facts.

That's reasonable. right?

So when Clinton wins the nomination, you will vote for her, right? I will vote for Obama if he wins.

[Hepburn]

110. You're a trial lawyer...

...in that tiny courthouse on Summit Blvd, in BBL?

I know the area...I used to practice out in the Inland Empire...and it is a looooong drive, especially in the winter, from BBL to the Central District courthouse on Arrowhead.

So I am curious as to where all you have been doing all this trial work. Civil or criminal?

[Botany]

3. Whatever

it is over Hillary can't change the math

[panader0]

14. Nice beaver.

[Botany]

16. Thanx I just had it stuffed

n/t

[panader0]

22. lol

[goodgd_yall]

47. lol!

Of course, you know you got me looking at the thread you were replying to with that subject line.

[Strelnikov_]

15. Aw

Number of years ago I was fishing beaver ponds in the rockies. I was working my way across a dam when all of a sudden an H-bomb goes off about 3 feet away. Came close to going over fly rod, waders and all.

Seems Mr. Beaver was just telling me to get the hell off his dam.

[Botany]

17. I had them slapping tail all around me one night in ontario

The fishing was awesome.

Big Pikes, Walleye, and Smallmouth Bass

[Misanthrope2]

23. Not true. Delegates can change their mind.

When it is clear that Obama can't win the general election, delegates will change to Clinton.

[jefferson_dem]

49. Pledged delegates will change their minds?

I understand your concern and all but, frankly, I'm surprised someone who has worked on "many, many" campaigns and who was formerlly an elected official would propose that unelected, unnacountable party insiders should overturn the will of rank-in-file Democratic voters and caucus-goers. That's not the "democratic" Party I belong to.

[Hepburn]

111. The qualifier in your sentence...

"...when it is clear..."

So far, it is NOT clear IMO.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

30. I love beaver!

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

32. deleted

[cliffordu]

Yawn.....

Move along. nothing to see here

:boring:

[blue sky at night]

4. ya, I hear......

its all over...we can all go home.

[DemBones DemBones]

6. How is Wright Obama's "former pastor" if he's retiring in June?

Is he also his "former mentor"? I'll bet that relationship will continue until one of them dies.

[Mezzo]

18. Obama named his book after one of the bigot's sermons. nt

[PM7nj]

20. Hi Hannity!!!!

[Misanthrope2]

24. Facts are relevant. Personal attacks show a paucity of thought.

Come back when you have facts instead of personal attacks, or be known for the weakness of your rebuttal.

[LittleClarkie]

95. What's bigotted about "The Audacity of Hope"?

You gotta problem with the audacity of hope, ya hope-hater?

[boppers]

44. Already retired, according to:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-wright_11feb11,1,4431179.story

[L0oniX]

8. Polls are for strippers unless you have one stuck up your !#@$%

Hillarat needs to quit now. She has no chance of winning. The only reason she is still in the race is because the MSM needs bullshit to feed the talking heads. Even the talking heads know it is over. All she can do now is hurt and divide the party which IMO she doesn't give a flying fuck about. It's time for her to stop. Everyone who is supporting her on this board is damaging the democratic party and should be joining with the Obama supporters so we can win the GE. No amount of kool aid is going to change the chances of her winning. Obama has the popular vote and has the majority of the delegate votes. We don't need to wait for the fat cat super delegates. Get a damned grip and join in with us so we can stop the repukes from destroying what is left of this country and its constitution.

[Misanthrope2]

26. Those are just unsupported conclusions or "spin."

The odds are shifting. That was the point of the poll. I posted facts. Care to rebut them?

That save the constitution stuff is more typical of Ron Paul supporters.

They studied it about as much as you, I would bet. Did I mention that I was a trial lawyer and have raised constitutional issues at the appellate level and on behalf of clients associated with Sea Shepherds, Earth First! and ALF, as well as many animal rescues? You pretenders are so cute!

[L0oniX]

33. Just what we need around here ...another self important insult artist.

The facts are that Obama is ahead in the popular vote and the delegate vote and polls won't change that. Too bad you seem to not give a damn about the constitution, some of us Americans do. Welcome to DU ...NOT!

[Misanthrope2]

36. Yeah, that comment did try to insult me. Not the first time since I was an elected OC Democrat.

I guess you did not know that I have defended the constitution as a panel appellate attorney for the California Court of Appeal, Fourth District, Division 3. That pretty much qualifies me as an actual expert on the subject, as opposed to people who say they really care about it.

But back to the facts. Did you have a comment about Obama's falling numbers in the election poll and his increasing negatives that are now statistically even with Clinton's, as they are both within the margin of error?

Or just more emotional bullshit.

[L0oniX]

41. Don't expect to not get insults thrown at you when you start it with others.

quote you: "That save the constitution stuff is more typical of Ron Paul supporters." ...and who are you to tell me or anyone that they don't really care about the constitution? My comment about Obama's falling numbers are that they don't matter so much because they are always changing and what counts is that Obama is so far ahead in delegate votes and the poplular vote that Hillary would have to take at least a 60% win in every remaining state just to break even.

[Misanthrope2]

52. Did you have a comment about Obama's fading in the poll?

And the almost religious fervor and personal attacks of Obama supporters are similar to Ron Paul supporters. I wrote about it on DailyKos before I went on strike there.

[Nitrogenica]

10. Sounds like hopeful thinking on your part, Misanthrope2.

Why did you post this, newbie?

[polichick]

11. Is that you Penn???

[Joe the Revelator]

You apparently don't get what the word "fading" means

[Misanthrope2]

27. Why do you say that?

By "fading," I meant that he is losing support nationally and his negatives are rising to where they are about to pass Clinton's negatives.

What is wrong with that?

[Kittycat]

12. Don't feed the low post counters.

[Misanthrope2]

28. Such a weak personal attack. Is that how you generate numbers?

I am a trial lawyer and former elected democrat? You?

Did you have a comment about Obams's decline in the polls?

Or just the ad hominem stuff?

[Botany]

31. Writing legal briefs must have been your strong suit.

:rofl:

[Misanthrope2]

43. I am better at oral argument, trying cases and teaching.

Did I mention that I enjoyed teaching Argument and Rhetoric? It is lots of fun to examine arguments for fallacious reasoning and other invalid forms of argument. As a judge pro tem, it was not much fun to make the actual decisions, though.

Of course, the point here is that Obama's numbers are falling and the speech does not appear to be helping him.

Darn those pesky facts!

[brindis_desala]

51. if you were a Democrat so versed in argument you would be

defending the likely Democratic candidate from the smear of by guilt by association. The names Hsu or Gupta come to mind, or perhaps Hagee or Parsley, while you ponder your brilliant erudition? Or would you prefer to use your rhetorical skills pissing on over half the Democratic party? But then your trumpeted judgment apparently has an expiration date.

[Misanthrope2]

87. Clinton is the likely candidate and I can criticize her, too.

I will vote for whoever wins the nomination. Will you?

I am not using guilt by association. Please explain your claim.

Hsu and Gupta are examples of YOU using guilt by association. Actually, both are ripe with corporate money and are therefore presumably corrupt.

Thank you for calling my writing brilliant erudition but the post is about the polls showing that Obama is becoming less popular and that his negatives are growing to Clinton levels.

Where did I trumpet my judgement? If someone calls me names, isn't it fair to respond with who I really am?

So what about those poll numbers?

[Botany]

56. Facts

1) it is over for Hillary http://time-blog.com/swampland/

b) you are either a troll or are having troll like acts

iii) Obama's #s are just fine ... that is part of the spin put
out after the "Wright scandal" ..... but there is no scandal
there* ... and if you understand oral arguement then what you
heard and read of Obama's talk you must understand that was
one of the greatest speeches in American history.

4) it is quite clear that writing is not your forte

As a judge pro tem, it was not much fun to make the actual decisions, though.

Sweet! :rofl:


* The Wright Problem = 100% swiftboating

[Misanthrope2]

91. Not over for Hillary, per the poll I posted.

Why are you calling me a troll? Because we disagree? I posted a factual article. Calling me names is not a relevant response. I am a lawyer and was an elected Democrat.

I do not think Obama's numbers are fine. He is behind Clinton in the national polling and his negative is 50 percent versus Clinton's 51 percent. He is also losing to McCain in matchup polls. Why do you think that is fine? Just saying something is fine in the face of contrary evidence is wrong and looks like magical thinking.

What gives the knowledge or experience to critique my writing? I am a professional and I have been published several times. Have you? If so, please tell me what is wrong with my writing.

I will vote for Obama if he is the nominee.

You will vote for Clinton if she is the nominee, right?

[Botany]

126. please tell me what is wrong with my writing

Because you put bull shit on toast and try to get other people
to eat it as "country style apple butter." Your never
ending "look @ my credentials" leads me to think that
they are bogus because if they were true than you wouldn't
have to beat your chest and call attention to them 24/7.
I know for a fact that we have real life doctors, lawyers,
judges, writers, professors, and celebrities in the real
DU family but they just contribute to the "flow" and do not
call attention to themselves or try to disrupt things with
bogus crap trying to push an agenda.



The #s and data are damning for Hillary end of story.
Since Feb 5th in superdelegates alone it has gone
65 to 5 for Obama.

[Hoof Hearted]

35. His poll numbers will continue to sink.

count on it. It was a trend before his crazy ass preacher became a superstar.

[Honeycombe8]

39. I thought that, too...but now am wondering if this is the bottom. If so, not much of a bottom.

I thought the WRight thing would kill his campaign, but I'm beginning to see people getting over it.

[Misanthrope2]

66. I respect your opinion and comments.

What a great picture of Obama and Rove.

I think you are right about the numbers shrinking. The more people know him, the less that "hope" rhetoric works. Just a slick politician ducking issues and running on race.

[Seabiscuit]

125. Indeed. He hasn't even begun to bottom out yet.

By now he's carrying too much ugly baggage, and it will continue to weigh him down.

One more major faux pas and he'll hit rock bottom.

[Sulawesi]

38. Yeah right, he is really sinking...check this out...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5199185&mesg_id=5199185

[Honeycombe8]

40. The effects of the speech won't show for a couple more days, I think.

It takes time for people to see it, and then mull things over.

Take me, for instance. I wanted to see the speech but had to work late. So I've seen only snippets, and seen others' reaction to the speech. I'll view the speech, or most of it, on YouTube this weekend probably.

[Misanthrope2]

88. Yes it may take some days to have an effect.

People do have lives to live and other things to think about. And the second poll was only a couple of days after the speech. And Obama is keeping a high profile and speaking on many issues, too. It will be very interesting to see what happens next week. Thanks for your insight.

[grantcart]

42. really?

[rodeodance]

48. I.......

like the top green line. it is still on top

[rodeodance]

46. The myth of ........

elect ability is just that--a myth

[Misanthrope2]

55. Electability has a meaning.

Electability means, according to Webster Online, " electable: capable of being elected (as to public office) — elect·abil·i·ty -noun."

Myth means, again according to Webster Online, "1 a: a usually traditional story of ostensibly historical events that serves to unfold part of the world view of a people or explain a practice, belief, or natural phenomenon b: parable, allegory2 a: a popular belief or tradition that has grown up around something or someone; especially : one embodying the ideals and institutions of a society or segment of society <seduced by the American myth of individualism — Orde Coombs> b: an unfounded or false notion3: a person or thing having only an imaginary or unverifiable existence4: the whole body of myths."

So why do you think electability is a myth? I think it is a adjective that describes whether a person is capable of being elected, and can usually be predicted by polls.

[LadyVT]

54. Latest. Obama down in PA and down among national Democrats.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080320/pl_politico/9135;_ylt=AvvGyeFM3VIiUwhPyJg5DqZh24cA

Hillary Rodham Clinton has doubled her lead in Pennsylvania and now has a majority of Democrats’ support, according to a new poll out today. Clinton now leads Barack Obama 51 percent to 35 percent among likely Democratic primary voters, according to the Franklin and Marshall College Poll. In February, the same poll found that Clinton was ahead by half that margin, 44 percent to 37 percent.

The Franklin and Marshall survey comes on the heels of a poll released by Quinnipiac University Tuesday. It also showed Clinton doubling her lead, with 53 percent to 41 percent over Obama this week, up from 49 percent to 43 percent in late February. The Franklin and Marshall poll was conducted in Pennsylvania after the controversial video of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright — the retired pastor of Obama’s church in Chicago — was widely aired on television and the Internet.

Another survey of likely Democratic primary voters on March 15 and 16, by Public Policy Polling, showed Clinton with a 56 percent to 30 percent lead over Obama. In that, as in the Franklin and Marshall survey, Clinton was making small inroads among blacks, winning 27 percent of their support. She led 63 percent to 23 percent among whites.

[Misanthrope2]

58. There you go, using facts not emotion.

I thought those numbers were really surprising. Let's see if they hold.

And you win the award for the most real facts in your comment.

Not sure what the award is here. Maybe just my gratitude.

[superkia]

57. Polls typically follow media coverage, you would think more of...

you have figured that out by now but I guess some never learn?

[acrosstheuniverse]

59. New Rasmussen Obama - 3 Hillary + 2

Shit

[Misanthrope2]

85. Sometimes media coverage follows polls. Chicken, egg thing.

[graywarrior]

60. Welcome to DU

But I cannot take you seriously.

[Misanthrope2]

64. Your privilege, of course.

Did you have a comment about the poll numbers?

[graywarrior]

65. I'm done with poll number.

They are not real.

[Misanthrope2]

67. Ignore polls at your peril. They are the best evidence we have. N/T

[graywarrior]

69. Maybe when there was no internet and we all believed the media

[Misanthrope2]

89. So what do you think is the best evidence of what people are

thinking and who they support if it isn't scientific polling? Maybe Obama's grandmother?

Polls are the best we have, although some are better than others. Zogby is very bad, for example. Online polls are just crap. Rassmussen is somewhere in the middle, I think.

[IsItJustMe]

61. You would be a great Faux news reporter. They like to spin that crap also. You should apply.

[Bensthename]

68. Bigger story is Obama is still ahead despite scandal.

I am an Obama supporter and I was scared to see the poll. I figured he was now 5 - 10 points behind.
Obama has some strong supporters,, Yahooooo,

GObama.

[Misanthrope2]

116. Obama is behind in Saturday Rasmussen poll. N/T

[better tomorrow]

71. somebody better tell Bill Richardson then.....

[Name removed]

76. Deleted message

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[Misanthrope2]

92. What does that add to the discussion?

Why do you think an insult is a legitimate response?

Are you devoid of the ability to say anything relevant, so you strike out at things you can't rebut?

I think it is sad that you have so little to support your point of view.

[Yes We Did]

77. Rassmussen is unreliable compared to Gallop - Poll shows Speech worked - O 45 - C 47

He was down by 7 now he's down by 2.

[SoCalDem]

82. Even Gallup has been "off" lately

I noticed that MSNBC was using Gallup almost exclusively the other day when it was showing the BEST numbers for Hillary..over all the others..

The ONLY poll to trust is the AVERAGE :
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_primaries.html

[Misanthrope2]

94. Real clear politics is a good source, too.

But averages are usually not as accurate as the best scientific polls. They are only as good as the polls that are averaged, and polls like Zogby pull them way off sometimes. I think it is smart to look at a good poll and then measure it against the average.

Thanks for adding by pointing out poll averaging and mentioning real clear politics.

[SoCalDem]

80. once again..with the rassmussen (freepers' favorite pollster)

:sigh:

go HERE for a balanced view of ALL the polls

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_primaries.html

[Misanthrope2]

96. Those are old polls from before Rev. Wright.and the speech

Let's see some fresh figures before and after Rev. Wright and Obama's speech besides the ones I posted.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

108. you fail to mention (to 3/21/08) daily tracking poll from Ramussen!!

yet you quote other data from the same web site

daily means dailey today is 3/22/08 and yesterday was 3/21/08 Obama in the lead.

Ms Hillary should have been 10 points out in front if the pastor had made a difference. If you look at the daily polls they are almost even

[Misanthrope2]

114. Here is 3-22 and Obama continues to fall.

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
Saturday, March 22, 2008

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows ongoing volatility in the Democratic Presidential Nomination. Nationally, Hillary Clinton now holds a very slight advantage over Barack Obama, 46% to 44%. Before the story broke about his former Pastor, Obama led Clinton by eight percentage points (see recent daily results).

[Rosa Luxemburg]

119. Link?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/21/opinion/polls/main3958295.shtml

[Misanthrope2]

121. Link and text below.

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
Saturday, March 22, 2008
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The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows ongoing volatility in the Democratic Presidential Nomination. Nationally, Hillary Clinton now holds a very slight advantage over Barack Obama, 46% to 44%. Before the story broke about his former Pastor, Obama led Clinton by eight percentage points (see recent daily results).

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

[treestar]

100. Thanks to the corporate media

What is there to be "concerned" about?

If I run for President, I'll be in trouble with AA voters, because of my two racist uncles, I guess. I mean, I must be responsible for everything they think or say, and I've "listened" to them for years, often without contradicting them as it was not worth it.

[Misanthrope2]

105. No, god bless corporate media, DAMN corporate media!!!. N/T