Anyone afraid that we're already screwed?

[Skoods]

Does anyone else share the same fear that after Pastorgate we're in trouble no matter who wins the primary? McCain had a sex scandal and it was wiped under the rug, but Obama has this happen and he's in the news for weeks about it. He didn't even do anything, it was someone he knew that did something. Now as many of you know I am a Clinton supporter, but if she doesn't get the nomination the last thing I want is for George Bush III to be in office. Is Obama starting to run in to the unelectable bracket?

Is John McCain now destined to be our next President?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. I appreciate your concern.

But I don't share it.

[movonne]

2. Are you crazy....no way will mc cain win...

[Oleladylib]

42. Do not bet on that...The NASCAR dads and SOCCER moms are

looking on Granpa John with fond regard!

[Medusa]

48. All the national polls I've seen this week put McCain ahead-way ahead in some cases

of both Dem candidates. That does not bode well for us although certainly we're a very long way from November. Aren't we?

[polichick]

3. Not in the least.

[maseman]

4. I am beginning to feel that way

I see no light at the end of the proverbial tunnel and that scares me. Dems eating their own.

[Johnny__Motown]

5. No, Pastorgate is a 2-3 week story tops, we are 1 week into it

[Skoods]

7. But

there are plenty of closet racist whites out there that will not forget it. I have already spoken to plenty of people here in PA who just plain won't vote for him anymore.

[LuckyTheDog]

11. Racists won't vote for Obama anyway

Those people never would have voted for Obama and would not vote for Hillary in the fall, either.

[Skoods]

14. Yeah..actually they would.

Because I know plenty of people who won't vote for Obama who would vote for Hillary.

[LuckyTheDog]

17. Then vote for Hillary in the primary

Or, vote in the GOP primary for McCain. It's your right as an American.

[Skoods]

Yeah

They do vote for Hillary in the primary. But wouldn't vote for Obama if he wins the nomination. They'd switch to McCain.

[Life Long Dem]

26. McCain will still lose. Blacks will break records turning out.

Once this spreads, you wait.

[Oleladylib]

43. Okay there we have it blacks vote black, white vote white..

[Life Long Dem]

47. There has never been a black president before.

There have been many white presidents.

[angie_love]

29. then they're idiots, what more can you say? theres big differences between

Obama and McCain. Obama is democrat and McCain is a repug. If they want 4 more years of repug policies then thats their choice.

[LuckyTheDog]

31. I agree

People with good sense will not vote to screw themselves over just because one candidate is pals with a soemtine-goofy pastor.

[Drunken Irishman]

32. And I know many people who won't vote Hillary but will vote for Obama.

Your point? The fact Obama still does better in many polls against McCain than Hillary, even after all the shit he's gone through, should have most people excited about the prospects.

[Johnny__Motown]

37. Secret Ballot, closet racists would not have voted for him. Don't worry the increase in young voters

and black voters will offset the racists in swing states.

[2rth2pwr]

12. I heard last Friday that it was a 1 day story that would die on the weekend

then on Sat I was told that it would be gone by sunday night. Monday as it was growing,

I was told to hang on Obama was going to squash it on Tuesday.

Yesterday I was told that Passportgate would sweep it under the rug.

Now you're telling me 3 weeks??!??


What the hell.

[LuckyTheDog]

22. Fox will keep it alive as long as possible

And talk radio will never let it go. But then, same is true for any negative story that has come out -- or will come out -- about Hillary. That is just what the right does. Heck, they still use the "Gore claimed to have invented the Internet" line.

We need to stay on message and not let them control the debate.

[Johnny__Motown]

39. Some FOX people lashing out already, Chris Wallace for one.. plus someone walked off stage because

of it (dunno who that was, I don't watch FOX)


They will keep playing it but after another week or two it will be seriously old news

[Johnny__Motown]

35. Yes, I always said 2 weeks, but the speech will draw it out, I am saying early April

I never said pastorgate would sweep it under the rug


Some people here jump at every new bit of news, I am not one of them

[2rth2pwr]

40. If he's the nominee it will die

until mid-October

[SunsetDreams]

6. nope...

not in the least

[LuckyTheDog]

8. That's defeatist BS

Sell it somewhere else, please. We're not buying.

[Skoods]

10. Ok..

No reason to be rude about it. I was just asking the polulation here at DU if there was any fear. Sorry that I pissed you off.

[gateley]

28. I think you have a valid concern.

I probably wouldn't be quite as uneasy if we didn't get slammed last time and the time before! I understand that the elections were stolen, but I feel if we had OVERWHELMING turnouts, they wouldn't have been able to mess with the results like they did.

This time, if a number of Dems choose not to vote for whatever reason, it would make it that much easier for them to do it again.

And for some reason, maybe because both Obama and Clinton's supporters are so passionate, there seems to be actual hatred of the other candidate! I just can't believe what I'm seeing.

So you're not alone in your worry, and I hope we're both wrong and all of those who aren't can come back and tell us "I told you so".

:hi:

[BeatleBoot]

9. This thing was over before it started.

I say that with sadness in my heart for my party.

It has nothing to do with race either.

I am so sick of hearing that.

[DemBones DemBones]

19. It was over the day a freshman senator let his ego convince him

he could be president.

We're screwed.

We've been Roved.

[BeatleBoot]

23. Big time.

Sorry to say.

[LuckyTheDog]

24. Lots of primary voters decided that

And they are right. I think either of the two can win. But Obama is an extraordinary leader. If elected, he will be out first real 21st-century president.

[LakeSamish706]

13. The thing is that the MSM will try there damnedest to diss our candidate, but...

the people have made the Barack discovery and that makes it to late for them...

[democrattotheend]

15. I am

I just feel like this is a mess that there is no way out of. I hope and pray that Obama can recover from this whole "scandal", but if he can't, we are in an impossible situation. It would be irresponsible of the superdelegates to nominate him if he's damaged goods, but it would be undemocratic for them to pick Clinton if he has more delegates. Maybe a Clinton/Obama ticket will end up being the right answer.

[Skoods]

16. Go Gore!

haha maybe not, but right now these two candidates are killing themselves.

[blonndee]

18. Nope. I don't share your concern.

Not yet.

[Nitrogenica]

20. HELL NO!!!

[Matariki]

21. ahem. I think you mean 'screwn'.

[Double T]

25. Democrats are ALREADY in trouble regardless of who the nominee is.

'WE' fell into the rethug's trap and are self destructing.

[LuckyTheDog]

27. Obama and Clinton need to make a deal

But if they do it fairly soon, then all this "self-destruction" talk will go away.

I think that will happen -- maybe sooner than some think.

[KAZ]

30. Whole bunch of "bargaining stage" going on tonight.

Tough it up dear.

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. Well, what you saw was the media at work

it does not matter who gets the nomination. We could put on Jesus H Christ and that candidate would be swift-boated...

Does not matter WHO wins the nom, and in fact, after the DEM takes over, expect impeachment within two years

That is the right wing for you

And if McCain wins... they stole it yet again. Do you expect our party to say a thing?

[parasim]

34. Nope.

If McCain does end up president (or any republican for that matter), though, then I'll have given up hope that this country is salvageable any more and i think we'll start to see the American Experiment in it's final throes. With probably not much hope for recovery.

[question everything]

36. If his pastor really said that white girls ask for it, while black girls get raped

as was posted here by someone who watched the tapes, that "pastorgate" has just started.

[nsd]

38. Toughen up.

I'm sorry to be so blunt, but I've lost patience with these "I'm really worried ... We're doomed ... I have these nebulous fears ... I heard the sky is falling" posts. The general election is SEVEN MONTHS away. Lots of stuff is going to happen between then and now. If you want to panic on October 21, fine -- go ahead. But panicking on March 21 is simply stupid.

[Aussie leftie]

41. How refreshing to read replies to your post that

either agree or give sensible debate without the cursing and venom.

I agree that the Dems are not home and hosed with the upcoming general election. I firmly believe that Barack Obama is very intelligent, but he has only been a senator for half a term, and needs to serve a longer apprenticeship. Hillary Clinton deserves the nomination. She has all the experience that is needed for such a job. I don't agree with all her policies, but I'd rather see someone nominated with the credentials that she carries rather than someone nominated because he offers a "dream".

The Democrats should have won by a landslide in 2004 with Bush's ratings heading south and the country already aware that they went to war on a lie. If they couldn't beat the Republicans then, how can we expect to win now.

[Oleladylib]

44. Thank YOU!

[goletian]

45. hell no. mccain is easy pickins

hes doesnt know squat about the econ, likely to continue in bush's footsteps and bush has done horribly. he wants to continue the war with majority disapproval, hes old and hes gonna get wrecked in the debates. hes got no chance vs obama, hillary its possible, but not obama.

[stillcool]

46. We've been getting screwed ..

for a long time now. That's why Obama is winning this Primary...despite all odds. Fear won't work. Not this time.

[karynnj]

49. McCain's problems may be dormant not dead

The big - much more provable problem is that he did favors for the lobbyists - and it looks like quid por quo - he did things at variance with his stated policies.

It is an aberation now - we don't have a candidate and the one who should drop out is throwing kitchen sinks. McCain is getting praised by the Republicans ... and the Clintons. When we are down to a candidate - it will be different and then the fact that the issues are all on our side (if Obama can at least come close on National security).