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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:17 PM
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So?
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 08:19 PM by NanceGreggs
SO?

In response to a question posed in an interview this week about the reality that the majority of Americans are now strongly opposed to the continuing war in Iraq, VP Dick Cheney’s answer was, “So?”

What is remarkable about the answer is the fact that it is so unremarkable, by virtue of the fact that this administration has been saying “So?” to the citizenry for years.

They have said it in response to topics covering as wide a spectrum as illegal wiretaps, to missing emails, to missing billions, to blatant war-profiteering, to the politicalization of our system of justice – and yes, even torture, and the deaths of thousands of our troops and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis.

And through all of these years of “So?” being proferred as an answer, the mainstream media has accepted that response with little comment and even less criticism – as though journalistic curiosity, let alone responsibility, should never be pursued in the face of such a trivial dismissal.

Needless to say, it is understandable, given the don’t ask, don’t ask attitude of what passes for “TV news” programming these days, that the media would instead turn its eyes and ears this week to a speech given by Barack Obama – not to discuss its importance, praise its eloquence, or comment on its content, but rather to parse its every word in an effort to find something controversial to spin into a week-long diatribe – complete with graphics, pie-charts and the nonsensical spewing of so-called “political analysts” – in an effort to fill the void created by an inability, or lack of desire, to actually report the news.

As has increasingly become the case, the mainstream media is yet again not only completely ignorant of what is going on in this nation, it’s self-imposed blindness and deafness when it comes to the changing attitudes – and yes, the intelligence of the average citizen – is truly astounding in its breadth and depth.

Obama’s observations about the existence of racism in our society, and our need as a country to discuss it frankly and openly, was a brave and honorable invitation for all Americans to join the dialogue in hopes of moving us all forward to a day when judging another man’s worth on the basis of his color, the culture in which he was raised, or his choice of how to worship, would be part of the past and not an inevitable part of our future.

It is a conversation that many Americans are willing, even anxious, to have – including “typical whites”, “typical blacks”, and every other “typical” category one can name. And the fact that the MSM seems to be totally unaware of this speaks for itself.

But in a week that Dick Cheney emphasized, yet again, that his administration is not accountable to the will of the American people, and is free to wage war, plunder the treasury with abandon, and plunge us further into debt with every passing day, the media, as has been its wont, takes no notice. It chooses instead to focus the public’s attention on a word, a phrase, even a single syllable of Obama’s moving speech in order to dissect its meaning and marginalize its true value.

Over the years, I have watched TV newscasters go from being shining examples of journalism to being well-coiffed, well-dressed teleprompter readers with, at best, little to contribute – and, at worst, propagandists whose only mandate is to ignore the true state of affairs and simply babble-on like circus barkers intent on drawing the crowd-to-be-fleeced to the concession stands operated by their corporate sponsors.

For a long time I have felt that the current crop of TV “journalists” have simply been too afraid to speak up, speak out, speak the truth to their waning audience members for fear of reprisal, or negative consequences to their careers.

But I have now come to what seems to be the more sound and obvious conclusion: when it comes to discourse that requires knowledge, a grasp of the realities of the world around us, and basic intelligence, those who currently comprise the mainstream media are simply in over their talking heads.

This is why I, like millions of Americans and world citizens alike, no longer give any credence to the MSM and instead rely on alternate sources to educate and inform myself.

And judging by the number of people no longer reliant on the mainstream media for an accurate assessment of the news of the day, I guess that makes me “typical”.
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:22 PM
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1. Boot! K&R
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:25 PM
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2. It shows that he has learned that if he actually says something a year later it make him look stupid
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:31 PM
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3. Gas prices ...So? Food prices...So? High mortgages....So?
Struggling to make ends meet....So?

That's what we've been hearing ever since the rise of Conservative politics.

When will it end?
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:32 PM
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4. BushCo has two modes: "I don't listen to the polls" and "What the American People want is..."
They've always played these two ways. When they don't like the polls, it's "I don't listen to polls to decide what to do, I listen to my conscience about what's right and wrong." (The word "polls" has to be intoned as if one were saying "putrid fish guts.")

When the polls are in their favor, ambiguous, or mixed, they trumpet "What the American People Want."

And when the polls are merely about 80%-20% against them, they talk about "What REAL Americans Want."

The media just says whatever makes a story -- the more sensational, the better.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:37 PM
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5. Precisely.
I remember when we used to discuss FOX-News here, as opposed to the rest of the news media.

What has become glaringly apparent is that it's ALL FOX-News now - it's just a few degrees of separation between the networks.
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:52 PM
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6. One of the most arrogant things I have ever heard even from him. He is of the school the people are
stupid, and only they know what is best. Of course whats best involves great monetary gains for them.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:53 PM
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7. If that made any sense whatsoever ...
... I might be inclined to respond to it.

But it doesn't - so I won't.
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:57 PM
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8. That is what Cheny has said. That is why he responded with"so".
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:35 PM
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11. My apologies ...
Because the OP talks about Obama and Cheney, I didn't know who you were referring to as "he".
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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:02 PM
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9. Guess the oops is irrelevant at this date, hmmm?
It has been obvious for some time that this administration is driven by nothing more than unmitigated greed. That suspicion is shared by many others, and when its stink somehow reaches someone in the White House they trot out the placating liturgy of (take your pick) "liberty-freedom-America" or the ever-popular mantra of fear. The script calls for silencing the masses so they don't call the cops while the treasury is being robbed under the laughable guise of 'executive privilege.'

When it comes to BushCo, any accusation of incompetence lets them off the hook. The "I word" that applies is indifference - indifference to the grotesque consequences of their actions on the lives of Americans and everyone else. Bush and Cheney have demonstrated, repeatedly and visibly and with swaggering bravado, their utter lack of simple human compassion. Bush, especially, has never ever had to face any serious consequences for anything, so he's never learned the concept of contrition. And if someone were to explain to him in detail the painful effects of his self-indulgent policies on the people of this country, his eyes would likely glaze over in boredom.

Thus, with accountability being taken off the table, that which was hidden is now becoming overt. After all, why should they go to the trouble of maintaining any pretext of doing what's best for the country? It isn't as if anybody is going to do anything about any of it.

With two little letters Cheney conveys the first and only utterance of truth to emerge from the malignancy that is the Bush administration.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:33 PM
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10. The negative consequence
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 09:39 PM by The Wizard
they fail to grasp is no audience = no advertising money = no job.
As for Cheney's contempt for the American people: He and his chimpanzee puppet are the beneficiaries of two rigged national elections; why should they give a shit? He'll be relocating to Dubai after leaving office and out of reach of any retribution. His Halliburton stock options have made him wealthy beyond reason. The entire Bush Administration will be recorded in History as sociopaths and war profiteers, and as such, they just don't care.
Should any member of this most corrupt administration since Caligula gets kidnapped and brought to The Hague for war crimes trials, my response will be, So. Actually, like most of the rest of the world, I'll be popping champagne corks.
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:39 PM
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12. Ok, so
What he said got me steamed but the look on his face had me seeing red. If you haven't seen the interview - do - his smirk says it all. That fat bastard has nothing but contempt for America and the idea of a government of, by, and for the people. Argue all you want about candidates - come this fall we've got to make these guys PAY.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:54 PM
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14. I did see a clip of the interview ...
... and you're right - the "So?" remark doesn't have the same impact in print without seeing the accompanying smirk.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:00 PM
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15. yeah that look on his face was so arrogant
:grr: total disregard for what the people want.

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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:51 PM
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13. K&R! Maybe Cheney will finally lose that arrogant smirk on his way to THE HAGUE!!!
:grr:
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:03 PM
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16. Quote (Lil Bush) Cheney: Rah rah rah ...rah rah. Cheney makes me sick.
What a miserable piece of human debris he is. :puke:
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 02:05 AM
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17. K & R
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emanymton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 06:17 AM
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18. So What Is To Be Done?
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It is clear, even to the casual observer, the current administration is above the law (while they are in power). Nothing said here makes a wit of a difference. No one here will be able to change what is happening.

I want my country back. It is time to demand the leaders of the Democratic Party make two ironclad commitments to governance, commit to responsibility and accountability.

1. The people must demand their government return to the rule of law and never be allowed to stray ever again.

2. After January 2009, the people _must_ insist on a open, honest and complete accounting of all government actions over the past eight years. Use the full force of national and international law to pursue the officials who brake and broke the law.

This will help ensure no more "So" from government officials.

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Bush lied, people died.
No Amnesty, no pardons no immunity!!
Hold them accountable!

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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 07:57 PM
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25.  What needs to be done my friend is what didn't happen in
Edited on Sat Mar-22-08 07:57 PM by MadMaddie
72 and 73. Prosecution...Cheney, Rumsfeld, *, Condi, Rove

1. Prosecution for Treason - for starters outing a CIA agent
2. Arresting them for war crimes and sending them to the Hague
3. Continue to investigate and prosecute Rebulican Congress members for crimes they committed over the last 12 years.

These things will show the world that America takes seriously the crimes that have occurred over the last 12 years.

We can't simply sweep the crimes under the rug because that is the easy thing to do like they did in the 70's.
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DeeDeeNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:17 AM
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19. Cheney intimidates the press and they take it from him
This satirical piece is not that far off the mark!

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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:29 PM
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22. oh i loved that
just today i was fantasizing one of the WH press corps asking that dumb blonde person they have doing the press conferences these days, "has anybody told the president yet that he's NAKED?!" looks like larry arnstein nailed that some time ago.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:17 AM
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20. I had a dream about Tom Snyder this morning.
Damn, I wish he could read this.

Or maybe he already has.

KnR, Nance.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:38 AM
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21. Agree. Cheney is malevolent, but retains a kind of comprehensive
intelligence. It's the application of keen mind to dark heart -- always a lethal combination.

He borders on nihilism, IMO.

And so journalists and pseudojournalists sent by corporate media to "cover" and "interview" the vice president are outmatched from the beginning. They are public relations agents in place to pump up their bosses' ratings and are just not up to the task.

I've heard Cheney steamroll NRP intervwers, and they're generally better than most other outlets. Juan Williams, in particular, who is excellent in U.S. History, can no more interview Cheney than Pee Wee Herman could interview him, and in fact, I might go with Herman if pressed to make a choice.

It would be instructive to listen to Dick Cheney interviewed by a panel of true journalists, possibly comprised of Katrina Vanden Heuvel, Jim Lehrer, Bill Moyers, Judith Swallow, Amy Goodman -- that bunch -- and see how Cheney does on follow-up questions from informed, sure-footed interviewers.

My guess is he'd call them what he called Pat Leahy and stomp off-stage toward the exits.

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InsultComicDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 03:24 PM
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23. zzz
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 05:15 PM
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24. The McCain poster in your sig-line ...
... is PRICELESS!!!
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 08:10 PM
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26. DITTO! err....
:P
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 08:39 PM
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27. Kickathon. nt
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 11:24 PM
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28. I, for one, am going to follow Cheney's example -
Sir, you have not paid your taxes.
SO?

Sir, you didn't walk through the metal detector.
SO?

Sir, you haven't spent your Stimulus Bonus (tm).
SO?

Sir, you cannot spit on the president.
SO?
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:05 AM
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30. Yeah!
:rofl:
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:00 AM
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29. We have come to the point where we need a Cincinatus...
There are no magic wands, there are no spells to be cast, but we need a leader that can truly answer the call of duty and save this nation.

Cincinatus, one such leader in history is a prime example. Content tobe a former general, tilling his lands and living what he considered a pretty much idyllic life, when called to defend the nation from invaders, he asked those in who came to him, "did you learn nothing from the past?" Dutifully though, Cincinatus took up his sword and led his troops to a sweeping victory. With the threat of invasion and internal turmoil quelled, the general was asked if he'd like to be king, emperor, a god perhaps...Cincinatus, after great triumph, returned humbly to his is beloved fields...and hoped that something was learned.

For all of those who speak of "leadership", who toss 50 cent words around as if they were bars of gold, for those who attempt to appear noble, wise or Solomonic, I have nothing but disdain. I can recall Cronkite, I can recall Huntley and Brinkley, I can recall voices of the past that when they knew they had erred, they made the attempt to correct the error. Few things touched me as much as Cronkite telling the world that Kennedy had died on 23 Nov 63. To hear that man's voice crack, was the sign of a human being, being all he could be to be honest and forthright.

Now, we have liars that spill out tripe and call it "news". I see "journalists" ask a mother how it feels to have their daughter shot in a playground; It is a "there but by the grace of God go I" moment...a moment of cruelty manufactured as "news".

There many come a time when cheney is slapped in irons, and while he protests, we can have a collective, "So".
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:06 AM
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31. K and R
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 05:30 PM
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32. Evil personified...anyone who doubts that is living under a rock.
The MSM has aided and abetted this entire fiasco starting with the Repuke Presidential primaries in 1999. Actually it may have started when Reagan was in office, or perhaps as far back as when he was running for Gov of California. No one ever revealed the truth about his "ideology" back then, just as no one in the MSM ever told the truth about prez shit-for-brains' tenure as gov of Texas.
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 11:36 PM
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33. Am reminded of my nephew at the age of 15, "So?"
The response of a petulant adolescent, "make me". Then the comment about how public opinion swings on a whim. Might be true in relationship to American Idol, but the steady erosion of support has long since passed the point of whim. The lessons of Viet Nam are lost on Cheney and his ilk, they never thought (and never will) VN was a mistake and/or tragedy.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 11:48 PM
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34. a needle pulling thread
lah, a note to follow so. T, a drink with jam and bread, and that brings us back to dough.

The trouble is that we have no way to make them answer for that "so?" unless we win the next election. Maybe he personally doesn't care, since he's not running, or maybe he feels confident in the annointed straight-talking-war-hero who is their candidate while the Democrats continue to tear each other apart.

As the rightwing would like to tie Wright to Obama, we need to tie Bush and Cheney to McCain and other Republicans. Force them to renounce them if they want to win. Use that "so?" to the will of the people in ads. Use Bush's cluelessness about $4 gasoline in ads, and pound away at them.
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