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chocome Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:21 PM
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Surprise ? More lies from Obama camp - Obama Campaign Character Attacks Not Supported By Facts
http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=6664

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At the outset of the campaign, Sen. Obama pledged that his campaign would not attempt to "tear people down personally." This morning the Obama campaign released a strikingly negative memo attacking Hillary's character and asserting that Hillary "has consistently made political calculations to deliberately mislead the American people."

The memo is also dishonest. Below is a detailed look at the Obama campaign's claims that sets the record straight.

60 Minutes Interview
The Obama campaign falsely claimed that Hillary would not confirm that Obama was a Christian in a 60 minutes interview:

Obama’s religion. In a “60 Minutes” interview, Senator Clinton refused to confirm that Senator Obama is a Christian, even though she knows the facts.
Here is how Media Matters' Eric Boehlert described the interview:

The fact is, if you look at Clinton's exchange with Kroft in its entirety, which lasted less than one minute, I count eight separate times in which she either plainly denied the false claim that Obama was Muslim, labeled that suggestion to be a smear, or expressed sympathy for Obama having to deal with the Muslim innuendo.

Family and Medical Leave Act
The Obama campaign falsely claimed that Hillary had nothing to do with passing the Family and Medical Leave Act:

Her role in passing the Family and Medical Leave Act. Clinton credits herself with “helping to pass” the Family and Medical Leave Act as First Lady. But the 11,000 pages of schedules don’t contain a single mention of her involvement in the issue.
Here is what Debra Ness, President of the National Partnership for Women and Families, said about Hillary's involvement in FMLA:

Hillary was instrumental in getting the Family and Medical Leave Act signed into law. We at the National Partnership for Women & Families as well as other family and labor groups had been pushing for the law for nearly 10 years. Hillary brought her work and experience on behalf of children and working families to the campaign trail in 1991 and 1992 and knew the importance of getting this legislation passed immediately. Two weeks after President Clinton was inaugurated, it was done.

Experience
The Obama campaign says every year she worked at a private law firm, she was not engaged in public service:

35 Years in Public Service. The oft-repeated Clinton claim that she has 35 years of public service experience is simply false. Fifteen of those years were spent at a law practice.
During that time, Hillary was First Lady of Arkansas, Founded Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, was appointed by President Carter to the board of the U.S. Legal Services Corporation, Chaired Rural Health Advisory Committee in Arkansas and was on the board of directors of the Children's Defense Fund, among other activities in the public service.

Sen. Obama also worked in private practice for about a decade, and doesn't exclude that period of time from his experience in public service.

The Obama campaign also denigrates her experience as first lady, where she represented the United States in more than 80 countries. More on Hillary's foreign policy experience HERE.


Florida and Michigan
The Obama campaign is misleading voters about Hillary's position on Florida and Michigan:

The Michigan and Florida primaries. Back when it suited her political purposes she said the Michigan primary “didn’t count for anything” and that she wasn’t leaving her name on the ballot to try to legitimize the results. But now that she desperately needs more votes, she’s doing just that. And despite her pledge not campaign in either state, she held two campaign events in Florida.
In the interview that the Obama campaign cites, Hillary made it clear that Michigan was essential for the Democrats chances in the fall and that's why she left her name on the ballot:

I did not believe it was fair to just say goodbye Michigan and not take into account the fact that we're going to have to win Michigan if we're going to be in the White House in January 2009.
More info HERE. Hillary actually abided by the rules not to campaign before the primary concluded, unlike Sen. Obama who ran advertising in Florida.

NAFTA
The Obama campaign falsely claims that Hillary was not critical of NAFTA in the early 1990s:

Her position on NAFTA. Clinton tells Ohio voters that she has “been a critic of NAFTA from the very beginning.” Yet her own schedules show that as First Lady she attended at least four meetings to advocate for its original passage.
Here is what David Gergen, who organized at least one of the meetings, had to say about Hillary's views at the time:

I was actually there in the Clinton White House during the NAFTA fight and I must tell you Hillary Clinton was extremely unenthusiastic about NAFTA. And I think that’s putting it mildly. I’m not sure she objected to all the provisions of it but she just didn’t see why her husband and that White House had to go and do that fight. She was very unhappy about it and wanted to move on to health care. So I do think there’s some justification for her camp saying, you know, she’s never been a great backer for NAFTA.

Disclosure
On a week when 11,000 pages of Hillary's White House schedule were made available to the public, the Obama campaign is continuing to attack Hillary's transparency. At the same time, the Obama campaign has not released a single page of his state senate schedule or records.

There are 20 years of Hillary's tax returns in the public record and she will release all of her post-White House returns next month. Sen. Obama has released one year of his tax returns to the public and refuses to release any other years.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:23 PM
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1. Nope. Didn't work on me. Good luck with your mission, though! nt
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:24 PM
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2. Yes, it is a fact that HIllary has no character.
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:28 PM
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3. Welcome to DU, Nice Copy/Paste, You're now ignored.
What do we look like a bunch of freepers?
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chocome Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:37 PM
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10. Thanks...but hey...the only news you accept is positive dk, msnbc, du Obama praising...so who cares
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:28 PM
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4. Pete lost his credibility months ago
You'll need to find something different to post besides cut 'n pastes of Pete's Plopoganda.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:32 PM
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5. Do you read anything other than Hillaryhub?
:rofl:

Ask Senator Christopher Dodd how much Hillary Clinton had to do with FMLA :crazy:
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:33 PM
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6. you lost me at Hillaryhub, sorry.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:35 PM
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7. hillaryhub???
Thanks for sharing.:rofl:

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wileedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:45 PM
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12. No no! Its all true!
I read the same stuff on http://www.screwobama.com!

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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:51 PM
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15. Thanks! Now there's an unbiased source for sure.
Seems I was all turned around on this here Hussein Osama guy.

:rofl:

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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:14 PM
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23. Obama is the devil, he is AL Queda,


:wink:
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ThatBozGuy Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:37 PM
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8. Losing to a court order to release information you have fought to hide is not transparency. ........
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 08:38 PM by ThatBozGuy
On a week when 11,000 pages of Hillary's White House schedule were made available to the public, the Obama campaign is continuing to attack Hillary's transparency.

Of course Mr Obama continues to shine a light on Ms Clinton's secrecy, as Ms Clinton is one of the most secretive public officials, along with George Bush and his administration, who hide public records and there are many people fighting to make people like that, by court order if necessary, as was the situation here, give people public records that ............

Wait for it.




Wait for it.......


BELONG TO THE PUBLIC, No you can not keep what belongs to me Ms Clinton. Good Day.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:37 PM
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9. Another newbie "for Hillary"...
:eyes:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:45 PM
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:06 PM
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21. It is against DU rules to hurl insults at other individual members of this message board.
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:46 PM
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13. Guess what, a hillaryhub url ain't gonna convince anybody!
But keep it up. It's funny, and times like these go much better with laughter.
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Yossariant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:49 PM
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14. You-may-not-question-Obama. You-may-not-question-Obama.
You-may-not-question-Obama.

:spray: :scared:
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chocome Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:53 PM
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18. What about this one..DU obama bots lies about HRC in Bosnia - Her story backt up by Lissa Muscatine
UPDATE Friday 6:45 p.m.

Lissa Muscatine, who served as Hilary Clinton's chief speechwriter in 1996 and accompanied her on the Bosnia trip, feels that I have failed to provide a full picture of what took place. She gave me her "vivid recollections" of the arrival in Tuzla, which I quote below:

I was on the plane with then First Lady Hillary Clinton for the trip from Germany into Bosnia in 1996. We were put on a C17-- a plane capable of steep ascents and descents -- precisely because we were flying into what was considered a combat zone. We were issued flak jackets for the final leg because of possible sniper fire near Tuzla. As an additional precaution, the First Lady and Chelsea were moved to the armored cockpit for the descent into Tuzla. We were told that a welcoming ceremony on the tarmac might be canceled because of sniper fire in the hills surrounding the air strip. From Tuzla, Hillary flew to two outposts in Bosnia with gunships escorting her helicopter.
Anybody else with first-hand memories of Clinton's Tuzla trip, please send them along.

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Ino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:22 PM
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24. OMG, Hillary took Chelsea to a combat zone!!!!11!!!
She put her own young daughter at risk for political purposes. What kind of mother would do that????///
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powergirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:51 PM
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16. Hillary Hub?? Is this source the web page of Pat Buchannan or Fox News?
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 08:52 PM by powergirl
Which one is it?

:shrug:
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:52 PM
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17. Ever notice how all the pro-clinton stuff only comes for Her campiagn or it's surrogates?
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chocome Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:55 PM
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19. And what do you call HRC critics, DU is full of them...Obama campaign or surrogates ?
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:13 PM
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22. Welcome to DU.
Go Hillary.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:52 PM
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26. Way off topic, em
Your DUzy this week was a brilliant quip.

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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:06 PM
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20. This post reminds me of a dachshund made out of balloons
and filled with hot air.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:36 PM
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25. Is there any Clinton supporter who knows how to write a short post?
I mean, do people really READ these long posts beyond the first few paragraphs?
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:57 PM
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27. K & R n/t
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:58 PM
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28. Welcome to DU! K/R
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Aussie leftie Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:53 PM
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29. Have the DUers on this board always hated Hillary Clinton?
Some of the venom that is spewing onto the keyboards of some DUers is vicious and extremely vile, to say the least. For the amount of time I've been reading comments on this board George W Bush has been treated like a hero by comparison.

If you don't keep your eye on the prize, the presidency will slip away like it did in 2000 and 2004. Both candidates for the Democrats are very good, and we all think that one is better than the other. Please don't forget who the real enemy is.

chocome has every right to voice his/her opinion on what they think is going on. I think there were a lot of Obama supporters that thought that Clinton was behind the "passport" scandal until we heard that hers and McCain's were hacked into as well. I'm sure there's a bit of hanky panky going on both sides, but please remember that we are all on the same team.
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