Please, I implore Hillary Clinton to drop out for the sake of the party

[angie_love]

Hillary has had her chance and I commend her for being a tough ass opponent but even after Wright-gate Obama is bouncing back in the polls. Yes Obama was hurt but Hillary has not capitalized on it. McCain is still beating Hillary in head to head matchups consistently.

If and this is a big if b/c I really don't want to believe this about the Clintons, but if they are praising McCain so that he can win against Obama in the GE and she can subsequently run again in 2012 it will NOT work. This is b/c Obama supporters will be so angry and remember what she did and will in no way vote for her in 2012. That is alot of people. It would be much easier for her if Obama became president and after 8 years of prosperity she runs in 2016, where she will be met with goodwill from democrats, and she will receive the support of AA's and Obama's young supporters after he campaigns for her. She will only be 68 and since women generally live longer than men, it will not be considered old.

If Hillary does the right thing, she will ensure a prosperous future for herself and the democratic party.

[TwilightGardener]

1. Watch and see what the Superdelegates do after this weekend, after Bill Clinton's remarks--

I think that might sway some to move sooner rather than later.

[UALRBSofL]

2. OMG I'm laughing out loud over this

Where did you get this line from, SNL? Please don't beg, it makes you look bad. I'll see ya in Denver. :rofl:

[angie_love]

4. laughing? are you really that pathetic?

Yeah guess you are. We are not going to Denver sweety, the superdelegates will jump in LONG before Denver. Keep dreaming dumb dumb.

[billbuckhead]

3. What party? The party that the only candidate to win in almost 3 decades was Clinton?

The Clinton's are the real Democratic party, Howard Dean and Hillary's soulless empty suit of an opponent are just prostitutes to the clueless working class hating Chardonnay set who only know what NPR tells them.

[angie_love]

6. I don't identify with the DLC wing of the party.

The real democratic party to me isn't Center Left.

[anonymous171]

8. The Clintons have NEVER been the working class grassroots.

They are the party elite.

[billbuckhead]

49. That's why they're double digits ahead in Pennsylvania and West Virgina

That's why Hillary's opponent did so well in Ohio.

[anonymous171]

51. It's called the Fear card. Bush did well in those demographic areas too.

And he was the savior for the working class, right?

[billbuckhead]

53. If the white working class deserts the Democratic party, there is no party

Hillary's opponent knew that going in and doesn't care.

[anonymous171]

54. Who says he doesn't care?

Got any data to back that up? Or are you just making shit up?

[billbuckhead]

59. He knows he can't win this election and others would win it easily

He just blocking a white Democratic candidate from winning and will be rewarded it for by his corporate masters. In case you haven't noticed Hillary's opponent does poorly in battleground states, hell, he couldn't win Massachusetts and California. Polls show him doing poorly in New Jersey, Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania, West Virginia.........He does well in states we can't win and he alienates white working class voters who don't have the "white guilt thing" going on.

[anonymous171]

64. Whoah, that post was pretty offensive.

I'm white (not that it matters) and my support for Obama has nothing to do with "white guilt." Obama has won the whitest state in the fucking Union (VT) and also my home state WA (4.44% AA population.) So according to you, Hillary can't win WA or VT because she lost them in the primaries. Good detective work.

Funny you should mention "corporate masters", search "DLC" sometime. They are the CORPORATE wing of the Democratic Party. If anyone doesn't care about the working class, it's them. BTW, Hillary is a chair there.

[billbuckhead]

75. Hillary's opponent doesn't stand a chance wherever white working class dominate

Hillary will win liberal enclaves, however grudgingly, her opponent won't win the huge white suburbs from coast to coast. There's counties in Georgia no one ever heard of with more people than Vermont and he's going to lose the vast majority of them.

[angie_love]

76. "He just blocking a white Democratic candidate from winning" CLASSY

:eyes:

[billbuckhead]

80. But true. Can anyone doubt it? Don't we long for Al Gore, Edwards, Clark?

[angie_love]

81. No NOT TRUE. your post is absolutely disgusting. My candidate is Obama. Deal with it.

That won't ever change. I used to respect Hiillary and I voted for her for senate TWICE. BIG MISTAKE. Off to ignore you go now.

[rodeodance]

58. Obama folks pull out card when they are losing an argument. It never fails

[billbuckhead]

63. It's actually their only card besides lying about what he'll do about the Iraq war

It's like some sports scheme, use race whenever possible and try to use casual sexism to keep the feminists in their place. The Iraq war? We'll cross that bridge later.

[rodeodance]

87. Kinda like Bush--make it up as you go along!!

[Blondiegrrl]

68. Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!

For the record:

I'm a West Virginian for Obama.

I'm also white, female, and my net income is well under $30,000.

So no, not all Obama supporters are "Chardonnay drinkers," male, under 25, or black.

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[rodeodance]

60. "you fucking idiot!"---you know name-calling and personal attacks are a no-no on DU

[wileedog]

27. "he Clinton's are the real Democratic party, "

Hillary? Is that you? Or Bill?

And that is the attitude that lost you the election, BTW.

[Asgaya Dihi]

50. You're an idiot

and the fact that your type of attitude comes from the Clinton campaign so often is a good part of why I could never vote for her. Putting a big D behind Republican tactics and policies doesn't make them Democratic.

So far in this campaign I've supported neither candidate, when the primary came through my State I didn't care for either enough to make a choice and I still have serious reservations about both. But today if that primary came through I'd make a choice, for Obama. It wasn't anything he did that decided that, it was what she did and the way she's handled this campaign. The truest comment made about it in months was that she's running as if Obama is the dem and she's the repub.

And BTW, I don't think I've ever had a glass of Chardonnay in my life and don't listen to any radio, NPR or not. Worked construction from carpentry and roofing to welding until the injuries caught up with me and these days I just try to get by. So stuff that attitude, you sound too much like the other side. They liked to tell us who we are instead of asking too.

Bill gave us the media consolidation bill which is responsible for that coverage we all love to complain about, presided over a growing prison system and growing racial imbalances which left us the most imprisoned nation in the world in terms of our own people, gutted welfare without guaranteeing anything to replace it and overall was one of the more conservative Presidents we've had in ages. If that's your idea of the real Democratic party, we have different ideas on where we should be going I'd guess. The party I'm looking for hasn't been seen much since the civil rights days, the loss of them has a lot to do with why we're in this shape today. Too many sell-outs and corporate dems, too few real ones.

[billbuckhead]

55. What happened in the 1968 and 1972 elections? WE LOST!

[Asgaya Dihi]

66. Yep. Then we sold out.

We have a big problem in this nation and we've had it for ages, we just don't like to talk about it. The largest group of potential voters out there doesn't show up most elections for either party, they don't think anyone cares. More and more over the last 30 years or so they've been right.

I read a recent article which touches on some of the changes in the courts and the types of judges we've been appointing, under both parties. It's a bit long but a decent peek into that aspect of our failure. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/16/magazine/16supreme-t.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print

We see the same thing in the drug war. We started to lose elections and became the second place party on an increasingly consistent basis about the same time as we jumped into the drug war. Coincidence? Nope. Almost one young black man in eight is behind bars right this moment, today. http://www.prisonsucks.com/

More are in probation or on parole and with some States barring them from voting for years or even life. That not only drives millions of disenfranchised voters from our party but while in custody the voting power that population represents is shifted to the towns of their mostly conservative jailers and stripped from the homes they came from, will be released to, and where their families still live. Nice system, huh? http://www.prisonersofthecensus.org/

Or you could take the time to read a book about the financial system we've built this nations wealth on and that we've been supporting all too often with our military, look up "The Shock Doctrine" in your local library.

In domestic surveillance, in the drug war, in backing and appointing Supreme Court judges who are friendly to this type of thing and place business concerns over civil concerns, and on many other issues we've been on a bad path for ages now and more and more people are just dropping out of the system. The way out is so simple, but so hard to actually do.

Stand for something. Yeah, we'll probably get our ass kicked in that election but if we're right, and we are, things will go to hell fast just like they did this time when the repubs got too much power. If instead of buying into it and becoming a part of the problem we stand against it we're the obvious choice for change, the only choice. Our problem is actually standing up and convincing those who have quit that we can stand for something. We haven't given them much reason to believe we'll fight yet, not for them, and not for decades. It's just more of the same because THIS is obviously worked so well over the last few decades, huh?

[rodeodance]

61. "You're an idiot"--more name-calling and personal attacks on DU members

[Asgaya Dihi]

69. Mea Culpa

True enough, it isn't any more suitable from me than from him. The anger around here recently is a bit contagious I'd guess. I fully, totally, and with no reservations disagree with him but it could have been put another way.

[rodeodance]

88. Peace. i know what you mean.

[Oleladylib]

5. wow, how philanthropic!

[DemzRock]

7. I think she should drop out the moment someone else hits the magic 2,024 number! n/t

[KittyWampus]

21. that only benefits McCain.

[Seeker30]

70. Ok then tell Obama to bail out if you are so concerned about McCain

[KAZ]

9. Bravo! K and FUCKIN R!

[durrrty libby]

10. Please, I implore Obama to drop out for the sake of the party

His God Damn America and race baiting bullshit is destroying the party

Go away BO asap

You have NO experience. You are a Liar and support a church that preaches Hate. What a shitty character and have No chance at the GE.


Jesus Fucking Christ Get the hell out

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[anonymous171]

16. BTW, don't be an ignorant person.

Here's your "hate church":
http://www.tucc.org/

[anamandujano]

20. Ignorant, like the OP?

[durrrty libby]

28. Oh no ...That was inspirational

:eyes: :crazy:

[anamandujano]

18. They can dish it out but they can't take it.

[anamandujano]

11. Because it's the only way Obama can win.

[UALRBSofL]

32. Superdelegates is the only way either one can win

And because Obama is racially divisive, attends a racially divisive church, I think he should drop out for the good of the party.

[angie_love]

33. right...that "racially divisive" church actually supports gay marriage

:eyes: so stupid.

[okasha]

43. But your hero doesn't.

n/t

[angie_love]

44. neither does yours. In fact Obama has a higher gay rights senate rating than Hillary.

[okasha]

83. Hillary doesn't have Donnie McClurkin.

If Obama's not a homophobe himself, he's an enabler of homophobes.

[WillyT]

13. For The Sake Of The Party ??? - LOL!!!

I hear what your sayin, and that is EXACTLY what the Super-Delegates are weighing right now, but...

For her to do it for the GOOD of anybody other than HER???

Odds say... NO!!!

:shrug:

[angie_love]

17. I know and judging from the way her "supporters" are acting on this thread

I'm doubting myself big time. They are nasty little twits. Not all of them but some of them for sure.

[rodeodance]

89. and BO--he will do anything to win.

[chocome]

15. BREAKING !!! CNN POll: 60 % SAY OBAMA DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT EXPERIENCE TO BE PRESIDENT

But Obama is also the only candidate who a majority of Americans -- roughly 60 percent -- say does not have the right experience to be president, the poll showed

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/18/poll.quality/index.html

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[durrrty libby]

22. People are waking from their stupid stupor and coming to their senses

[anamandujano]

23. Well, his big mouth helped wake them.

[durrrty libby]

30. Well he was a good actor for awhile, but eventually the real him slithered out

[WillyT]

36. Oh... You Bet Your Ass We Are...

And if Hillary, by means that look ANYTHING close to unfair, gets the nomination...

Don't even bother to ask for my\our support for her.

Barack might just be the just gentleman you need, and will most likely give a wonderful unification speech.

But the reality is, we've NEVER been the Kool-Aid drinkers that you think we are.

If the Democratic Party Willie Horton's itself... I'm Gone...

And I know for a fact that I ain't the only one.

:mad:

[durrrty libby]

45. lol

[WillyT]

48. i know... Tee, Hee...

:hi:

[durrrty libby]

92. This is sooo much better because it is a "Typical" BO supporter

and Real

[billbuckhead]

78. That's what the opposition is also saying it will do if the soulless empty suit "wins"

[angie_love]

37. You're right I came to my senses about Hillary. I didn't want to believe all

along that she'll do anything to win, but I see that she is doing just that. I've been in denial and I can proudly say if she tries to win by bringing Barack down, that in 2012 I will NEVER EVER vote for her. And I know Obama supporters and yes we are a whole bunch of ppl, will do the same.

[Hoof Hearted]

31. His polls are tanking all over the place

[durrrty libby]

41. Let's hope the trend continues for the sake of humanity

[wileedog]

56. And 62% say they would be PROUD to have Obama as President

Do you people not even read anymore?

[kwenu]

73. This was an old thread posted earlier this week. The same poll has Obama leading as the candidate

who can bring real change of the current circumstances.

[Hoof Hearted]

24. Everything you just said but with the word "Obama" instead of Clinton.

[malachi]

25. Is there any way I can get a pound of whatever it is you're smoking?

WTF!? You sound like you can read the minds of the Clintons and predict the future. Do me a favor and see if you can tell me who is going to be in the Final 4.

[malachi]

26. Is there any way I can get a pound of whatever it is you're smoking?

WTF!? You sound like you can read the minds of the Clintons and predict the future. Do me a favor and see if you can tell me who is going to be in the Final 4.

[TahitiNut]

29. Tonya Harding wouldn't drop out.

:shrug:

[superkia]

34. Not for the sake of the party but for the sake of our childrens future!

[jgraz]

35. The best part of this thread

is looking down the list of responses and seeing Ignored, Ignored, Ignored, Ignored, Ignored. So much worthless horseshit that I don't have to wade through.

K&R

[malachi]

38. Aren"t you fucking wonderful. If only we could all be as brilliant as you.

[jgraz]

39. I've thought the same thing myself

In your case there's little hope for that, I'm afraid.

[angie_love]

42. yes and unfortuntely youre not. Jgraz rules you drool.

[jgraz]

46. Bwahahaha -- thanks.

You rule, too. :hug:

[angie_love]

82. thanks!

:hug:

[XemaSab]

40. I'm adding names to my "buddy" list left and right!

:D

[jgraz]

47. Yep, "Mr. Brilliant" just grabbed the latest spot on mine.

[L0oniX]

52. Kicking for effect.

[rodeodance]

57. angie........

you and your ink have been demanding this for weeks now.

Mostly, it has resulted in you all looking foolish and more arrogant as the day passes. HRC is a strong woman.

[angie_love]

77. me and my ink? ok....LOL

:rofl: whatever you say

[democrattotheend]

62. How many of these threads do we need?

Clinton is not going to drop out, and you posting this on a message board is not going to make her drop out. All this does is get the Clinton supporters pissed off and build ill will. We need these people to vote for Obama in November, and would like their help now defending Obama against the character assassination he is facing from the media. So stop posting threads calling for Clinton to drop out, and instead help defend Obama here and on other message boards.

[rodeodance]

65. Thank you--from a Hillary supporter.

[angie_love]

74. You know rodeo, I've taken the high road with Hillary many times so have alot of Obama supporters

but I have never seen you defend Obama once. So if anyone is drinking the kool-aid it is unfortunately you.

[rodeodance]

86. and I believe I have thanked you.

[kwenu]

67. Unfortunately, it's not going to happen. The Clintons want to go down in flames.

[Poll_Blind]

79. I agree heartily with your use of the word "WANT" in the subject line. n/t

PB

[BenDavid]

71. I hope she stays till the last dog dies and that will be June3rd. So

enough already of this hrc should drop out. She will not quit nor should she. Hell, there might be more shit about obama coming out and maybe the next one will be so big the whoremedia cannot prop his ass up to coverup for him.....

[Yael]

91. Damn those "white devils"

:freak:

[IsItJustMe]

72. I think Bill and Hill are beyond redemption.

[jconner27]

84. Ok

These calls of unity from Obama supporters are hallow, you guys didn't give a damn about the Democratic chances when it look like Hillary was gaining some ground against Obama. All I heard and read from Obama supporters were we're going to stay home or we're voting third party. Now when it looks like you're getting your way, the tone is come on guys let's get united. In normal circumstances Angie I would tell you and your fellow Obama supporters where to go with this sort of new found "unity" but facing the idea of having four more years of Bush policies in work, has left me few options in November.

So if Obama wins the nod, I ignored the months of recycle right wing slime you used against my candidate of choice,I ignored the threats of leaving the Democratic party high and dry because having President Barack Obama is light years better than saying President John McCain. But Angie if your guy lose there are no excuses and you followers can't point fingers at anyone if he loses it's on him and his supporters.

[LulaMay]

85. Stop trying to subvert this process. Voters and delegates will decide. You lay no claim.

a lot of you have become utter schoolyard bullies with this attitude.

[VotesForWomen]

90. please give it up; you're embarrassing yourself, and obama by association. nt