A NON-HILLARY Person needs To Know: Obama PRAISES GHW BUSH?!- Obama supporters what's up with this?!

[Orwellian_Ghost]

....

KING: We have a few brief minutes left with Senator Barack Obama, and we'll spend them right after this message.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KING: A couple of quick things, Senator. Would you, in your administration, make use of Bill Clinton?

OBAMA: Absolutely. I think that, you know, Bill Clinton is a brilliant statesman and politician, and I think that any president would want to use his skills and his relationships around the world.

By the way, I would reach out to the first George Bush. You know, one of the things that I think George H.W. Bush doesn't get enough credit for was his foreign policy team and the way that he helped negotiate the end of the Cold War and prosecuted the Gulf War. That cost us 20 billion dollars. That's all it cost. It was extremely successful. I think there were a lot of very wise people. So I want a bipartisan team that can help to provide me good advice and counsel when I'm president of the United States.

...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0803/20/lkl.01.html">Larry King Live

What is up with this? GHW Bush and son are war criminals and Obama PRAISES Bush the Elder's "prosecution" of the Iraq War?

An illegal and immoral slaughter by the way!!!

WTF!!!

[OzarkDem]

1. ....

:popcorn:

[Nitrogenica]

2. You are now a ghost to me.

Ignored

[Orwellian_Ghost]

8. Why?

The question is not valid or are you in denial and then just plug your ears like a small child?

So I guess you are okay with this promo of GHW Bush?

That's an amazing disconnect at the least.

[Straight Shooter]

30. Oh my. You're about the fifth person to get the Ignored ax from that DU'er tonight.

It's a veritable rampage of ignore-ance.

[emilyg]

52. Why do you tell people they're ignored.

Do you think they care.?

[wileedog]

3. At least the SOB

had the brains not to try and occupy the place. Gotta give him credit for that, he even tried to stop Junior from invading.

[XemaSab]

4. God FORBID he should say something nice about Bill's BFF!

:grr:








































:popcorn:

[proud2BlibKansan]

5. How do you figure GHWB is a war criminal?

[Orwellian_Ghost]

11. Are you serious?

Do you not know the entire history of the run-up to "Operation Desert Storm", it's immediate and long term consequences and the international communities outrage? I was there for every single second in great detail and for Obama to praise this is offensive beyond comprehension.

Should we go over this?

[still_one]

16. Then I guess you won't be voting for either Obama or Clinton, because both have made

similar statements

[KingOfLostSouls]

17. You're a Kucinich supporter, right?

you sound like it.

unfortunately, foreign policy isn't all puppy dogs and kittens. which is why people like kucinich are never taken seriously in these debates.

yes, unfortunately, there are still bad people on planet earth who we may have to kill and tragic stuff like that. a "realist" foreign policy is better than one driven by ideologies of peace at any costs/war at any costs because those never work out.

neville chamberlain and george w. bush are proof of that.

[Orwellian_Ghost]

37. Hello?

You are avoiding the truth.

You are also espousing conflations that are unrealistic so it's hard to take seriously your brand of realism and your labeling of a situation that you cannot explain logically.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

34. Scary, aren't they?

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[LordJFT]

62. I don't support pre-emptive war but I don't believe in appeasement either

Saddam invaded Kuwait, we couldn't just sit there and not do anything. Remember what happened when European leaders did that in WWII? Neville Chamberlain's "Peace in our time" ended up costing many more lives.

[Orwellian_Ghost]

47. Criminal Charges Filed Against George H.W. Bush (Sr.)

News and opinions on situation in Iraq

4/7/06 Criminal Charges Filed Against George H.W. Bush (Sr.) in Iceland

For Immediate Release, July 4th 2006, 16:25 local time Please disseminate

Reykjavik, Iceland (3 July 2006) – A group of ten Icelandic citizens filed yesterday at the Office of the State’s Police Chief criminal charges against George H.W. Bush, former U.S. President, who is expected in Iceland this evening at the invitation of Icelands’s President Olafur R. Grimsson.

The group accuses former President Bush for participation in war crimes, crimes against humanity, crimes against the peace, and crimes against internationally protected persons. It demands that former President Bush be detained by the Icelandic authorities and investigation on these charges. Should the investigation conclude that legal proceedings against him are warranted, the group requests that he be tried before an Icelandic court or extradited to an international criminal tribunal which possesses the requisite jurisdiction to deal with his case. Icelandic courts are, under international law, qualified to try individuals suspected of having committed international crimes.

George H.W. Bush is charged of initiating a war of aggression against Panama in 1989, in breach of international law and the UN Charter, constituting a crime against the peace, and of ordering the kidnapping of Panama’s President Noriega in violation of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Crimes Against Internationally Protected Persons. George H.W. Bush is furthermore charged for his command responsibility for the multiple war crimes committed by US forces in the Gulf War in 1991, including the policy of deliberately bombing civilian targets and the massacre of soldiers hors combat. His command responsibility for these crimes is equivalent to those of other heads of states who have been charged, indicted and convicted for international crimes, including torture, war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide. George H.W. Bush is also charged for inducing an uprising of Kurds and Shi’ites in Iraq during the Gulf War and then ordering US forces to withhold aid from those who risked the uprising, thus leaving unarmed uprising masses unprotected against Saddam Hussein’s brutal forces. By such policies, he knowingly facilitated the commission of crimes against humanity by Saddam Hussein. He is finally accused for conspiring in imposing deadly economic sanctions against the people of Iraq, with the intent to harm the well-being, health and lives of the Iraqi civilian population, with foreknowledge of the likely consequences and with the subsequent knowledge of the sanctions’ devastating consequences. Such conduct is considered to be a crime against humanity under international customary law. About one million persons are believed dead as a result of the economic sanctions, thereof half a million children below five years of age.

...

http://www.williambowles.info/iraq/2006/0706/bush_criminal_charges.html

Again keep in mind the OP and Obama's defense of the guy.

Are you okay with this?

[bhikkhu]

60. GWI was as trumped up as GWII

"Iraqi army massed on the Saudi border" when we had a treaty to protect the Saudis. Only, many years later, declassified satellite pics show nothing but endless miles of empty desert on the border. Saddam stopped in Kuwait and never for a minute threatened the Sauds.

In the war itself, the massed column of the defeated Iraqi army was retreating toward Bagdhad. We bombed and nap'd the essentially undefended column to charred wreckage. So goes war...it is better to not start one in the first place, but 200 thousand died on that road, apparently.

After the war we incited the Shiites to rebel, then looked the other way as Saddam ruthlessly reestablished "proceeded to victory" in the brief civil war.

If anyone doesn't like these examples, there are sufficient others to prosecute GHWB, if such things were ever done anymore.

[JoFerret]

83. lovely fellow

ideal for starting a new war in the gulf region.

[mtnsnake]

6. They don't have any answers other than they'll probably do their "mass ignore" ritual

Anyway, yes, it is absolutely disgusting that Obama would suck up to these Republican war criminals like the Bushes. I've about had it with his "Reach out to Republicans" DLC theme :puke:

[K Gardner]

15. Guess you missed Bill Clinton on McCain today, huh? And Hillary praising him. What hypocrisy.

[still_one]

22. Perhaps they don't remember the close relations Bill has with george bush the first?

They go on fishing trips, hob nob in some of the same circles

[mtnsnake]

45. You're pretty uninformed if you don't think past presidents do that kind of thing.n/t

[emilyg]

53. They even raise money for charities.

Horrors!!

[bluerum]

7. I think that he was commending the way he built an international coalition

to carry the burdens, listened to the military advisers and generals, went in with a clear goal and exit strategy, and got out when the job was done (sort of).

He does not mention the long term enforcement of no fly zones, hanging the Kurds out to dry, weapons inspections, embargoes and the incredible loss of life (Iraqi) during that period.

Junior has presided over the most expensive lynching in history. Half a trillion and counting. Many more lives lost.

on edit: hanging the Kurds,,,,,

[NoBushSpokenHere]

9. I was watching King when I heard him say that

I do support Obama, but thought it to be a bad move on his part. I hope he doesn't continue to make such statements, but at least it wasn't FOR the opponent of the GE. Like I have always said, I will be the first to admit when my candidate does something that doesn't meet my approval.

[sandnsea]

10. Clinton implemented GHWB's agenda

China trade, NAFTA, military reorganization, welfare limits...

Why in the world do you have a problem with Obama admitting that administration did a good job on the Iraq War? They did, even though I still think Reagan started the whole thing in the 80's.

[Orwellian_Ghost]

20. That's amazing and a-historical

First of all it starts long before Raygun with Lord Curzon (UK) and America across every administration has supported and/or has carried the torch. Don't believe that? Read your history.

Why do I have problem has to do with the several million dead Iraqis.

The GHW Bush Admin comitted atrocities that would land any of us in the gaol and Clinton kept it going with sanctions that killed over a million.

Have people here historical amnesia or selective memory?

What is this?

What part of "the job" was good in your eyes?

[sandnsea]

35. International support

Minimal loss of life. Iraqi deaths have been estimated between 50,000 - 200,000; which is significantly better thant he disaster we've got now. It was executed much better than the current war, there's no question.

Yes, I'd say the problems in the ME started back with the Red Line Agreement, but that's not my point. The decision to take the teeth out of both Iraq and Iran, as a means to maintain ME control, which came about after the fall of the Shah, is what I was referring to.

[KingOfLostSouls]

12. Do some research on the elder Bush

while he did have dick cheney as his SecDef, he also had Brent Scowcroft as his National Security Advisor, and Scowcroft has been a big critic of the son bush.

also during Desert Storm, Bush the elder put together a coalition that including people like Syria in it.

all obama was saying was the elder bush is a better statesman than his son, which he is. I'm not saying the elder is a great guy, but he had more of a "realists" approach to foreign policy not driven by neocons. and he did have a steady hand when it came to the collapse of the soviet union, which easily could have broken into WWIII. I can't remember where I read it, but at that point there were neocons advocating invading them at that point and he rebuffed them.

[Orwellian_Ghost]

33. Hello?

That coalition was a farce. I know the history in detail. You cannot to say what you have.

Scowcroft is an uber-nationalist security state guy so I hope your not pinning your weak argument on him.

So we get Baker-Bush-Brzezinski as the "realists?" No wonder the nation is down the toilet with people thinking this heinous crap.

BTW Syria isn't a person.

Here we have it folks- look around at all the people apologizing and defending GHW Bush, one insidious criminal bastard, so that they don't have to face the dissonance that would come from acknowledging that their idol also defends the bastard.

Anybody surprised by the insane manipulations? I'm not.

[KingOfLostSouls]

61. yup

kucinich supporter.

you just had to say so in the beginning. it'd have put your thoughts into a clearer perspective then.

[LWolf]

77. Have you got a problem with Kucinich supporters?

There are certainly plenty of us around.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3649440

[Rageneau]

13. First, Reagan, now GHW Bush. How long till Obama praises Smirk?

[BlueIdaho]

14. You mean

the same GHWB that Bill Clinton went on a fund raising tour with? The same GHWB that Bill and Hillary hang around with in Kennebunkport? Good question - why would BO ever say anything nice about him?

[jalynn]

24. He also praised

McCain as an American hero

[tammywammy]

26. McCain is an American hero

:shrug: I have no problem with anyone saying that.

[wileedog]

28. Guy fought in the war and was a POW

He's insane, unbalanced and probably going senile, but why is it a crime to give someone credit where it is due?

Its not like he 'served' defending the skies of Texas during the war. Or got 5 deferments before sending thousands of soldiers to die.

[McCamy Taylor]

18. This is silly. GHWBush is not pure evil. He and Bill get along. Obama can say nice things about

the first Gulf War--esp since everyone knows that Papa Bush disapproved of the Iraq War. Praising daddy is a slap in the face of the son. It is pretty slick move on the part of Bill and Obama to court Bush Sr. It makes it look like Jr, is a mega loser.

[Orwellian_Ghost]

40. Tell me what you know

about the first Gulf War.

Could you please start with the run-up to the invasion?

So we measure folks by whether or nor they are buddies w/ other political cronies?

Gotcha' thanks.

Oh and the Iraqi children are not in your calculus as Bill is rsponsible for many thousands of deaths due to the illegal and immoral sanctions. Are you okay with that?

Tell me more of what you know about the history of Iraq from the early 1900's to present and US/UK aggressions.

[CakeGrrl]

51. I think you missed Obama's point, which was

that Bush I, rather than running up a tab heading toward the trillions as his son is doing, was strategically smarter than Dubya by cutting his losses and keeping the war expenditure on his watch to $20 billion. Obama didn't praise the man's character, as the Clintons seem to be strapping on kneepads to do to McCain.

[SoonerPride]

19. Because Bushie senior has done some good work with the Clintons

Especially the Tsunami relief stuff.
Of any living republican with ties to pwoer, he's more trustworthy than any of his son's cronies or staffers.

[Orwellian_Ghost]

36. Any details?

That is complete rubbish.

What Bush-Clinton did was the usual PR stint for The State Department.

What is going on here?

Do you actually belief the US tsunami relief bit? Are we going to go next to their "heroic" acts after Katrina?

Do not go there.

This is more American mythology. Wake up.

[jillan]

21. And what is with Obama and Rove?

[wileedog]

23. Considering the volume of pics of the Clintons

with Bush's and other shady characters, I'm really not sure you want to play this game.

[BlueIdaho]

27. I give up

So you found this photo - good for you! What damning fact do you have to go with it - or are you just following the Clinton playbook - lies, innuendo, an and half truths to support a her highness?

[jillan]

31. omg -

Chill out!

Have a cold one - go for a walk - have sex ----

No need to get so nasty.

[Hoof Hearted]

70. here's another one!

[tammywammy]

25. Yes yes, no one should ever praise George HW Bush

[Up2Late]

29. Que the Crickets...

*crickets* :popcorn:

I think you stumped the panel, better just turn over all the cards. :tv:

[Catherine Vincent]

32. You will now be put on "ignore lockdown."

:P

[Sulawesi]

38. Dear OP, Time for me to pull out the obligatory HRC stance on this...

from hillaryclinton.com

"But no president can do it alone. She must break recent tradition, cast cronyism aside and fill her cabinet with the best people, not only the best Democrats, but the best Republicans as well.. We’re confident she will do that. Her list of favorite presidents - Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Lincoln, both Roosevelts, Truman, George H.W. Bush and Reagan - demonstrates how she thinks."

egad, GHW Bush? Ronald Reagan? Hello pot? meet kettle.

[Orwellian_Ghost]

41. Exactly

Whadda ya' think?

Big problems there if you want to be truthful about The Empire huh?

Then again we could just continue to tell the lies.

Not for me thanks.

[Seeker30]

39. Now Obamabots like Bush Sr....nothing surprises me anymore

If Obama started praising Karl Rove these Obama followers would start saying what a swell guy Rove was, then on top of it call everyone Freepers who didnt agree with them.

[wileedog]

43. You want us to post another

300 pictures of Bill, Hillary and the Bush's?

Are you guys really this ignorant or just teasing now?

[jalynn]

44. What gets me

is the only way Obama supporters know how to defend him is to attack the Clinton's. They cannot defend him on his own merits. And so defensive....anything he says or does is fine with them

[johnnydrama]

57. dude

Don't bring a spoon to a knife fight.

"Hey, you did a marvelous job, it was just marvelous what you did," Clinton told Rove, according to the book "The Way to Win: Taking the White House in 2008," by John F. Harris and Mark Halperin. "I want to get you down to the library. I want to talk politics with you. You just did an incredible job, and I'd like to really get together with you and I think we could have a great conversation."

That's Bill Clinton.

[better tomorrow]

42. I'm sure he must have said that on Saturday Night Live or The Daily Show....

sounds like good sarcasm to me...

[donheld]

71. It was on Larry King live

He seemed serious to me. I think he's trying to reach out to everyone he can to be nice.

[Bongo Prophet]

46. Obama supporter here, didn't like it when Hillary said it, nor when Obama said it.

Yes, we buried Iraqis alive in Iraq. Bushco = generations of war profiteering. And so on.
I know this history.
But choices are more limited now, and by the time my time to vote (Texas) came around, it was Hillary or Barack.


So it goes.

[Orwellian_Ghost]

50. And more

...

The bombing campaign continued for 42 days dropping over 80 million pounds of explosives. In the first days of the campaign, the bombing destroyed the Iraqi ground forces access to military supplies, reinforcements, food, water, and medical supplies. Communications systems were very severely damaged and so were tanks, armored vehicles, artillery, and other mechanized equipment. With these losses the Iraqi forces were effectively defenceless. The United States used weapons such as fuel-air explosives, napalm and cluster bombs that are defined as illegal in international law. Estimates of the number of soldiers killed ranged from 100,000 to 200,000 and the injured were left wherever they were hit because Iraq did not possess field hospitals and American bombers destroyed at least five military hospitals.

Bombing of Iraqi cities served no military purpose but was designed to destroy the civilian infrastructure. War games in July 1990 in South Carolina trained pilots to bomb civilian targets and Pentagon statements about plans to bomb civilian targets in August and September 1990 are evidence that these targets were set well in advance of January 15, 1991.

Critical elements of the civilian infrastructure were destroyed including communication systems, oil refineries, electric generators, water treatment facilities, dams, and transportation centres. Over 90 percent of Iraq's electrical capacity was destroyed in the first days of the bombing.

One of the most diabolical decisions in the campaign was to destroy Iraq's water supply, resulting in the death of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children long after the war was over. The capacity of Iraq to produce food was severely limited by the attacks on agriculture, food processing, food storage and the food distribution system. Half of Iraq's agricultural output depended on irrigation systems which were also targeted.

...

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/American_Empire/BushI_Iraq_LFE.html

The above just touches upon the cruelties visited upon the Iraqi people by GHW Bush and company and please keep in mind that these cruelties are what Obama is not only defending but praising. He's lauding this guy and hinting at the possibility of such a ghoul being on his foreign policy advisory team.

To even whisper such a thing is beyond comprehension.

[DaveJ]

48. Moreover, he's running for President of the U.S.

He's not running for President of half the U.S. Get back with me when half our country doesn't subside off the blood of war.

[Orwellian_Ghost]

55. Care to explain?

Tell me which half and how that works.

So you're okay with the comments then or will rationalize them to avoid the dissonance?

[DaveJ]

59. Neither... My point is he's not running to be my best friend.

He's running to be President of a flawed country.

Over half the country says they would vote for McCain, Bush II.

He's not running to be my buddy or yours.

I don't agree with his assessment but over half the people he wants to work for apparently do.

Edit: As a result, for the first time, I'm seriously considering leaving the U.S. if McCain wins.

[donheld]

72. He's trying to do the opposite of what W did

Reach out to everybody. It's the way elections are won.

[cameozalaznick]

49. He said "Gulf War."

Which was the first Iraq war, which was prosecuted pretty handily. In case you don't remember it was lasted about 20 hours one weekend on CNN and ended up with the Iraqi soldiers surrendering to journalists. Whole thing cost about $20 billion. There was an actual coalition of countries that you've actually heard of.

I think Hillary and Kerry and Edwards and all the others who voted for the IWR probably had that in the back of their minds when they cast those votes. They thought Bush the Least would do as well as his father and if they didn't get on board, they'd end up being on the wrong side of history.

[Orwellian_Ghost]

54. I know the history in detail

Do you?

Let me help and be clear about what you support and defned because it's then on your shoulders.

Also you need to read your history it was not the first Iraq war by any means.

By saying "prosecuted pretty handily" you are defending wholesale slaughter even if you don't know what actually happened you realize this don't you?

Where are you getting your infrmation?

Here is what you are defending:



....

The bombing campaign continued for 42 days dropping over 80 million pounds of explosives. In the first days of the campaign, the bombing destroyed the Iraqi ground forces access to military supplies, reinforcements, food, water, and medical supplies. Communications systems were very severely damaged and so were tanks, armored vehicles, artillery, and other mechanized equipment. With these losses the Iraqi forces were effectively defenceless. The United States used weapons such as fuel-air explosives, napalm and cluster bombs that are defined as illegal in international law. Estimates of the number of soldiers killed ranged from 100,000 to 200,000 and the injured were left wherever they were hit because Iraq did not possess field hospitals and American bombers destroyed at least five military hospitals.

Bombing of Iraqi cities served no military purpose but was designed to destroy the civilian infrastructure. War games in July 1990 in South Carolina trained pilots to bomb civilian targets and Pentagon statements about plans to bomb civilian targets in August and September 1990 are evidence that these targets were set well in advance of January 15, 1991.

Critical elements of the civilian infrastructure were destroyed including communication systems, oil refineries, electric generators, water treatment facilities, dams, and transportation centres. Over 90 percent of Iraq's electrical capacity was destroyed in the first days of the bombing.

One of the most diabolical decisions in the campaign was to destroy Iraq's water supply, resulting in the death of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children long after the war was over. The capacity of Iraq to produce food was severely limited by the attacks on agriculture, food processing, food storage and the food distribution system. Half of Iraq's agricultural output depended on irrigation systems which were also targeted.

...

Important non-military targets such as 28 civilian hospitals, 52 community health centres, 25 mosques, and 676 schools were bombed. Clearly all these targets were not bombed accidentally particularly given the accuracy of the American bombs and missiles.

Densely populated cities were bombed daily, killing thousands of civilians. Basra, Iraq's second largest city with a population of 800,000, was bombed repeatedly. One of the targets in Basra was a bridge which the Americans attempted to destroy twice, each time bombing surrounding neighborhoods. The people of Basra were so apprehensive about another attempt that they contemplated blowing it up themselves.

...

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/American_Empire/BushI_Iraq_LFE.html

The countries infrastructure was demolished. This meant thousands of deaths in the coming months. As one who was involved daily with people who were bringing first-hand reports of what was actually happening I find your minimization and your flip accounting of this wholesale assault to be deeply disturbing.

[Radical Activist]

56. It was a back handed attack on George W. Bush.

It's pretty obvious to anyone who isn't so eager to see evil in Obama.

[vixengrl]

66. That's kind of my take, too--

W seems to have made a point of decidedly *not* following in anything remotely right that his dad might've done or even asking him for any advice--which has always seemed to me as being very hard-headed. There he was, a guy with a built-in sounding board about how to do the President thing, and he says stuff like, "I have a higher Father." Weird, and stubborn. And while it's very subtle, I kind of pick up that was what Obama was getting at, because I think his humor is very subtle like that.

[JoFerret]

73. Poppy

(cock).

But I don't think it was gushing either.

[Radical Activist]

78. Ummm....Don't you think that Obama praising HW for working with other nations

was an attack against Bubya for NOT working with other nations and not planning the war well? You can't see that? Really? Looks pretty damn obvious to me.

[monomach]

58. I don't see a problem with this

1. I voted for GHW Bush. I think he was a good President. I voted for him a second time, in fact.
2. Say what you will about Republican policies that you don't like, but this is all about his foreign policy. In case you forget, his foreign policy was just fine...Including the weekend-long Gulf War.
3. Your whole "Waaah waaah illegal and immoral slaughter" thing shows that your parents didn't spank you often enough. Damned dirty hippies.

[DaveJ]

63. Yeah, that sums up how most the U.S. thinks. nt

[AllentownJake]

64. As far as Republicans Go

41 wasn't that bad. American's with disabilities act. Went into Iraq and got the hell out because he wasn't stupid enough to occupy it. Soft landing for the Cold War. He wasn't a bad guy. Just because we disagree with someone's policies on somethings doesn't mean we have to demonize the guy.

His son's a disaster...but 41 as far as GOP presidents go....probably the 3rd best behind Abe and Teddy.

[AllentownJake]

65. Iraq War I

Iraq invaded another country...are you telling me that you people were against the first war?

Sometimes wars are necessary...sorry and flame me all you want but Iraq I was a good thing it was a success. Call me whatever names you want. 41 wasn't good at all with the economy but the man did an awesome job with the rest of the world.

Afganistan if fought right would have been a good thing. Again FLAME ME. I don't care.

[Skip Intro]

67. He's a politician out for votes, will do whatever or say whatever to get them.

Meanwhile spinning the giant, shiny O for the gullible.

[OzarkDem]

68. Obama the shape shifter

He's at it again, trying to make people think he's a Republican now. :rofl:

[Hoof Hearted]

69. Obama loves him some Repukelicans. Remember Raygun "inspired" us

and the republicans were "the party of ideas," according to Obama.

[ShortnFiery]

74. "reaches out to" = listens attentively = tries to understand does NOT equate to "agrees with"

There's a big difference between active listening and praising the individual.

Just because Obama wants to listen to George H. W. Bush does not mean that he'll go golfing with him even because (excuse the glibness) Barack likes basketball.

Oh man! Did I step on it? I can NOW imagine a number of us who are human and naturally STEREOTYPE thinking to ourselves, "Just like all Black people too." The foregoing is NOT racism but an attempt to understand members of other groups.

Beyond all else, Obama would NOT ever even IMPLY that "The Bushes" or "MaCain" were MORE PATRIOTIC that Senator Clinton.

Get it? (hoping you do)

[ClericJohnPreston]

75. Great post Orwellian_Ghost

You succinctly made the most important point. Obama supporters have to jump through rhetorical ropes, make strange alliances, selectively forget history, and reflexively throw either Bill or Hillary under the bus, in order to make peace with their cognitive dissonance.

Pathetic, isn't it?

[blm]

76. THE TRUTH: Many still aren't aware of FULL EXTENT of GHWBush's covert criminality

because Clinton spent the 90s covering up all those matters.

I imagine that once Obama gets access to the documents that GHWBush and Bill Clinton kept from the public and from the ongoing investigations, he'll view Bush1 differently.

Blame Clintons for rehabilitating GHWBush's image in the 90s and the last 8 years.

Robert Parry discussed how Bill's protection of Poppy Bush throughout the 90s came back to hurt this country in bigger ways than could be imagined at the time.

http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

[Orwellian_Ghost]

79. But you and I knew this

are we so much more astute than Obama?

Or is something else at work here?

[blm]

82. He needs to get INTO office without getting killed. Would either of us get as far as he has

talking about we know?

But, I still believe that very FEW of our DC lawmakers are aware of the nitty gritty details and never read these reports because they were downplayed throughout the 90s by other Democrats who they would expect were in the position to know better.

I believe he'll catch up at a certain point - and he is surrounded right now by the honest lawmakers who could school him best on those issues in the future - John Kerry, Gary Hart, Richard Clarke, to name three.

[xultar]

80. x

[ElsewheresDaughter]

81. holy crapola