Some of the disgusting comments I've heard on here lately.....

[kerry-is-my-prez]

"Ferraro - dried-up vagina" "Ferraro's cootch."

"Hillary is "a snotty bitch"

"I could give a shit about how she (Hillary) may 'suffer' over sexism"

"piss on her"

"Do you think the average American housewife cares whether she really sat in on Irish peace talks or whether she was for Nafta before she was against it after she was for it?
No, they want the tabloid stuff. That is what will sell the most eyeballs."


This was just a few of the rancid comments on one thread.

I had made up my mind that as a woman who cares deeply about women's rights that I would always vote for the Democratic Party. Even though I wasn't all that crazy about Obama - I would still vote for him because he was a DEMOCRAT.

After seeing how the Democratic Party treats the first serious female candidate for President and also how disloyal they are to people (the Clinton's) who were once loved by the Party. I'm really beginning to wonder if I'm with the right Party. I will never be a Republican - but I am sure as hell going to take a serious look at the Independent candidate or perhaps Nader.

My problem had not really been with Obama - but more with the people surrounding him and his supporters. I figure if there is that much poison surrounding a person and they are the leader of it all - there must be something seriously flawed about them. It does trickle down in an organization. This will also not end after this election - it will continue on....

I'm not saying that the Clinton are in any way perfect - Hillary is seriously flawed and was about my 4th choice but she is much more capable and I firmly believe that she would be a much better leader than Obama - after seeing the sort of stuff that has surrounded him.

[anonymous171]

1. They were loved for their (Bill's) ability to kick repug ass back then.

Now we are seeing the results of the Telecommunications Act of 1996. Now we see the horrible idea that was NAFTA. Now we see a Hillary who is more than happy to side with repugs when it is politically expedient. DOWN WITH THE DLC!

[DJ13]

3. DOWN WITH THE DLC!

Spot on.

Enough of the triangulating Republican Lite Democrats.

:thumbsup:

[sandnsea]

2. I think that poster was banned

It really isn't fair to take comments that were objected to and apply it to everybody.

Although "piss on her" isn't sexist, and somebody sure seems to want the tabloid stuff.

The Clintons started the drug dealing Obama back in Dec and what's disgusting is how many people refuse to acknowledge their race baiting campaign.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

6. They were allowed to stay and change a few words in their thread.

The thread remained on here. There were many people who posted on the thread also - attacking any women (and our one male supporter) who disagreed with the OP.

[sandnsea]

15. No, uh uh, the thread was locked

And everybody in it objected or alerted. You distort what happened and then wonder why people are sick of hearing the Hillary campaign cries of sexism.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

21. everybody in the thread disagreed with it??? hardly.

I saw it on here for a couple of hours - with a few of the words changed in it.

[sandnsea]

26. Here's the thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5187113

I think there are more Obama supporters objecting to the post than Hillary supporters.

[lligrd]

32. Jheesh, No Wonder I Missed It

Not a thread I would have read just from the title.

[tammywammy]

36. Wow, that's disgusting

[kerry-is-my-prez]

37. Thank God it was locked - it seemed like it was up for an eternity....

n/t

[dkf]

47. Just looking at the title was a turn-off for me.

This is what the OP is complaining about?

I don't understand why she doesn't realize that a post title like that is going to attract a whole lot of flamebait.

You wade into that thing, you know what you are getting into.

[rodeodance]

78. We did not respond to it cause we let those sink (for the most part).

[kerry-is-my-prez]

16. "piss on her," "Hillary is "a snotty bitch" and I could give a shit how she may suffer over sexism

"Do you think the average American housewife cares whether she really sat in on Irish peace talks or whether she was for Nafta before she was against it after she was for it?
No, they want the tabloid stuff. That is what will sell the most eyeballs."


are all from different posters.

[Name removed]

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[JoFerret]

74. Spread the hope

....not the hate.

Not everyone appreciates your nastiness.

[cali]

75. You are not being honest

The offender was one poster, and Obama supporters took the OP to task. And Forkboy posted a link in that thread to a thread filled with equally disgusting shit about Obama. Not to mention that there's been a shitload of out and out racism from Hill supporters that equals the sexism from Obama supporters. Both suck. Interesting that you only care about the sexism.

[lligrd]

4. This Feminist Supports Obama

I'm supporting the best candidate period. Funny how "all of you," didn't support Carol MOSELEY-BRAUN in 2004. Hillary is not the first woman candidate. Nor, is Obama the first "black" candidate.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

13. and what is Obama offering feminists and women....

last I heard he barely had a thing about women's issues on his site.

IMO - the attraction that most people have towards him - is based on his personality and ability to give great speeches.

[anonymous171]

20. Here you are:

http://women.barackobama.com/page/content/WFOhome

[lligrd]

22. He Is Offering All Of Us Some Hope That Change Will Take

place. I'll take that over no hope any day. I gave Hillary a chance and she voted to support the chimp's war. That was enough for me. She is not the best, woman or otherwise, candidate at this time.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

27. I need to know more than to hear about "hope" and "change"

n/t

[virtualobserver]

35. have you read "the audacity of hope"?

n/t

[kerry-is-my-prez]

41. No - I'm more of a "fact and figures" sort of person - like prove it to me by your record.

The last time I was all giddy for a politician and crying for hope was when I was a child - for JFK and RFK - and we all know how that turned out....

[virtualobserver]

43. it explains his approach and philosophy in great detail

it isn't fluffy.

[lligrd]

50. Like Hillary Proved It By Voting For The IWR?

If you won't even read what he says you have no authority to dispute it.

[lligrd]

42. It Was A Great Sermon Too nt

[lligrd]

39. Hope That The Future President Won't Lie To Us

and take us to war for no reason. Change the fact that corporations have more say so right now than people. Hillary gives me no reason to believe either will happen. Obama does.

I still have a bit of hope that America can be save with a change from voting for corporate issues.

[boston bean]

79. People change their underwear. Sometimes not enough, but Change is not an acceptable answer to that

question.

[Catherine Vincent]

5. Obama attracts some nasty followers. nt

[lligrd]

28. But Hillary Gets Most Of Them. That Is A Race She Is Winning. nt

[lligrd]

29. But Hillary Gets Most Of Them. That Is A Race She Is Winning. nt

[alphafemale]

7. That movie "Primary Colors" makes a lot more sense now.

Damn does it ever.

They truly are for personal gain at the expense of anything else.

I'll still have to vote for her if she wins the nomination.

But it will be the most disgusted vote I have ever cast in my life.

And I will cast it with the realization that NOTHING will change.

[virtualobserver]

8. consider the possiblity

that people making that kind of comment might not be Democrats.

Personally, I can get into the debate (or sadly, taunting) at times, but I would never want to demean. I would not be shocked if there were "new" republicans posing as supporters of both sides for divisive purposes. I'm not saying that I know this to be true, but consider it as a possibilty.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

24. I really hope so - I hope that in a few days I may be able to give O supporters

the benefit of the doubt. I really hope so - becasue all of this has had a profound effect on how I feel towards the Dem. Party right now.

[virtualobserver]

33. that is the problem with a long primary campaign

opponents become enemies.

[OzarkDem]

9. Juvenile locker room blowhards

Pretty pathetic. They and the people who run forums allowing this kind of thing need to realize it won't be forgotten.

[Umbram]

81. People who post things like that get TS'd or suspended, don't worry. (nt)

[crankychatter]

10. I read here a lot but haven't seen ANYTHING like U describe

but I've got some funny ones if you're interested

I hate vulgarity unless it's funny

[sandnsea]

17. Oh it was gross

Somebody thought he was funny, but was not. It was locked and objected to and alerted on, and otherwise pretty much ignored.

[OzarkDem]

25. You've only been here a couple of weeks

stick around and you'll see more.

[Venceremos]

11. K & R

[babylonsister]

12. I'm an Obama supporter, and I have never said anything negative

on my own, but the things I post might give me away. I flat out love Obama, and I do think we need him. But I've never posted anything against Hillary gratuitously.

[Drachasor]

14. I find it outrageous that you equate Obama supporters with a few loudmouth and offensive jerks

The vast majority of us aren't like that.

I could go pull up the worst things that Hillary supporters here have said, and they are EQUALLY as bad. Should I judge all Hillary supporters that way? No, because it is bloody irrational to do so.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

18. There's a lot of them and I rarely see anyone from the BO camp disagreeing.

In additon, I keep on seeing more and more threads saying things that are almost just as bad.

[Drachasor]

49. How often do you find Hillary supporters visually disagreeing with outrageous Hillary people

Most of us, on both sides, sigh and move on when we see our fellows acting like idiots. Occasionally we call them on it. Should both sides be doing more? You betcha, but the point is that this is pretty similar with both groups.

[Control-Z]

70. Please do that.

Pull them up. I've seen nothing of the sort. The occasional freak, yes, but the constant repulsive attacks? No. I have yet to see masses of Hillary supporters attacking Obama in the disgusting ways that so many of BO's people attack Hillary. Please show me the low level repulsive attacks and name calling, and the numbers. I would be more than happy to call it a wash. I am sincere. Please show me.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

23. I could just as easily compile racist quotes by "Clinton supporters"

And use them to support my contention that Hillary supporters are bigotted ignoramuses and this proves she is unfit to lead.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

34. Where are the grownups?? We need adults to turn this mess of a country around!

At least I know the Clintons are competent. Yes, the bad part is that we will continue having a split in this country - unless she really turns things around....

[johnnydrama]

52. competent?

Have you been following their campaign the last 3 months?

[Bigleaf]

30. What I find odd is that most of the Hillary supporters here on DU that say they would not vote for

Obama blame that on his supporters here while most of those Obama supporters who say they would not vote for Clinton do so because of Clinton or her campaign. Why?

[anonymous171]

31. Correlates with Obama's "bottom-up, grassroots" and Clinton's "top-down" campain style.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

44. It's more my feelings towards the Dem Party for the way they've treated Hillary, Florida, Mich.

I think they've really turned on her. The way I'm feeling is that if the Dem Party doesn't change the way they're doing things - I will look to a third Party.

[Blue State Bandit]

62. Wow, I have noticed this.

[NanceGreggs]

38. I am saying this in all sincerity ...

... and without an ounce of snark.

Obama didn't "choose" his outspoken supporters here, any more than Hillary chose hers - and many of them have been equally nasty.

If you are basing your choice of candidate (either of them) on what their "supporters" say on a message board, it's probably time to examine the maturity of your own thought processes.

[tammywammy]

40. Agreed Nancy

You said it better than I could have. :)

[kerry-is-my-prez]

46. It's not really that - it is just a feeling that the Dem Party is not really for women any more.

A lot of things have just added up to that feeling for me lately. I guess I idealized the party too much.

[NanceGreggs]

53. But surely you've noticed ...

... that the Democratic Party is running a woman for president?

I sincerely doubt that you or I will even live long enough to see that happen in the GOP.

Every candidate is targeted in one way or another - because they're female, because they're black, because they're Catholic. Being tough enough to take it - and respond to it - is part of the process, and Hillary has done so pretty handily from the beginning.

I doubt she'll be the nominee - but she's not the 'last great hope' of a female presidency. Quite the opposite; she's led the way for the others who will follow undoubtedly in her footsteps.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

55. and they are treating her like a pariah. also - disenfranchising voters.

n/t

[NanceGreggs]

59. Are you suggesting that she needs "special treatment" ...

... because she's a woman? I assure you that she would be the first to argue that point.

The way Hillary is being treated is the due to the way she's running her campaign, which many people find to be ineffective, uninspiring, or downright abhorrent.

To categorize every barb, every insult, every nuanced remark aimed at her as being "because she's a woman" is naive at best and, at its worst, delusional.

You know, a lot of people don't like Hillary, don't trust Hillary, don't want Hillary to be president - and those feelings have nothing to do with her gender, they have to do with who she is, what she says, and what she does.

It's that simple.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

65. No just a little tiny amount of respect rather than this vitriolic hate.

You would think she was a mass murderer or something. She was not all bad and she is not perfect. Are YOU that much of a saint??

I really feel for her and Bill. They are PEOPLE - not robots. They do have feelings. I would think that if someone had even a little bit of compassion you would feel something.

I felt bad for Obama when this pastorgate thing happened and expressed my regrets to the Obama supporters. Someone even thanked me. 99.9% of that goodwill that I felt went out the window since then, however, by the hateful behavior I've seen.

[saracat]

60. I agree100%

[OzarkDem]

56. If she isn't the nominee there isn't much hope

for women breaking the "glass ceiling" as Dem candidates. The anger and vitriolic racism is doing great damage to the women's base of the party, damage that will last for years to come. Dems are going to lose a lot of women voters as a result of this campaign and the loss of even 25 or 30% of their base of female voters means they will continue to lose elections for at least the next 2 presidential cycles.

IOW, pissing of Dem women could be the undoing of the Democratic Party. What a shame to see the party self-destruct because of sexism at a time when it should be at its strongest. If Clinton isn't the nominee, Dems will lose.

[NanceGreggs]

61. Oh, yeah, if it's not Hillary ...

... women will leave the party in droves, and there will never be a woman president - ever, ever, ever.

Apparently everyone should support her because she's a woman - and if they don't feel she's qualified for the job, they should just support her anyway.

But, of course, anyone who doesn't want Hillary is a sexist - there couldn't possibly be any other reasons for feeling that way.

Jesus wept.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

66. You are a REAL peice of work. Working to bring hope and change I see....

Your candidate would be quite ashamed of you. I don't think he's half as bad as many of his bullying supporters.

[NanceGreggs]

71. I'm a "piece of work" because ...

... I am pointing out that some people don't want Hillary?

Yeah, I don't support Hillary. I have some nerve making my own choice in this race - along with judging the candidates on their own capabilities, rather than basing it on how their supporters act on a message board.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

72. A piece of work because of the extremely nasty/bitter way you are doing it.

n/t

[K Gardner]

73. Breaking my vow of LETITSINK to comment on this: Nance never, I mean never , jumps into these

threads to fling poo, like so many do. On the RARE occasion she does anything but post her wonderful OPs, she simply states facts. She stated fact on this thread, her own reasons of support or no, and you vilified her and called her a "piece of work" and said she was nasty and bitter. This is what you do to everybody.. you, as in Hillary supporters on this board. You start crap, then accuse other people of doing what you are doing. Same in the campaign.

That's why most of you are on MASS IGNORE. That's why there is an effort to stop your pollution of these boards. That is why Hillary and her supporters are reviled by many, not all.. but many. That's why Hillary is losing and will never gain the nomination, Never.

These threads should sink as fast as Hillary is sinking in her own party.

[NanceGreggs]

76. I normally just let this kind of childishness slide ...

... but in this case, your childishness has turned into a vitriolic outburst (ironically the very thing you are accusing ME of) which was unwarranted - and deserves a response because it typifies something truly disturbing.

If you will remember, I responded to your OP by urging you to base your choice of candidate on their attributes, and not on the basis of who says what on a message board. I thought that was sound advice, and meant it sincerely.

I then responded to OzarkDem's ridiculous assertion that vast numbers of women will leave the party if Hillary is not the nominee. You then called me a "piece of work" because I pointed out to her that women do not think alike, act alike, or vote alike - any more than men do - and have a right to not support Hillary if they choose not to.

What I find disturbing about this, here and in posts I have seen elsewhere, is the idea that (a) all women should support Hillary's candidacy as a matter of "sticking together" and not on the basis of belief in her abilities, and (b) the idea that if Hillary isn't the nominee, women should (and, according to OzarkDem, will) pack their bags and go elsewhere.

As a woman of a certain age, I have seen women fight for equal pay for equal work, dominion over their own bodies, and equal opportunity for advancement in their careers.

If there is one stereotype that real women have steadfastly fought against it is that of being the whining female who stamps her feet, screams that everyone is 'being mean to her', and storms out of the room in response to not getting her own way.

There are thousands upon thousands of women who are now CEOs of major corporations, who own their own businesses, who are senior partners in top law firms, who are chiefs-of-staff in hospitals - the list goes on and on.

I can assure you that none of those women got where they are by packing their desk and quitting when they didn't get the raise they thought they deserved, or were passed over for a promotion they felt they had earned.

Unfortunately, I see too many Hillary supporters here not only adhering to that stereotype, but advocating it. "If we don't get what we want, we should all walk out in a hissy-fit."

I have no idea where you came to the belief that Hillary deserves the presidency of the United States because she is female - and that is exactly what you are saying, no matter how you want to couch it, or hide behind cries of 'sexism'. But you should get one thing through your head: not all Americans think HRC is qualified for the job - and it has nothing to do with her gender. By the same token, not all Americans think Obama is qualified for the job, and it has nothing to do with his race.

As for people 'being mean to Hillary' and not showing her the respect you have decided she deserves, you might want to consider that many people feel she has earned that disrespect. And they have a right to that opinion based on their own assessment, and are not somehow required to defer to your judgment - especially in light of the fact that your judgment seems to be based on posts on a message board rather than a sound and intelligent evaluation.

The fact of the matter is that if Hillary Clinton was as thin-skinned, as vapid in her thinking, and as uncommitted to her own candidacy as supporters such as yourself seem to be, she wouldn't be in this race. She'd be home baking cookies, having quit her first job the first time someone was 'mean to her'.

As I have said many times on this board, I truly believe that Hillary is a stronger and more intelligent person than many of her supporters are.

Thank you for proving my point.

[OzarkDem]

54. You have that right

The Democratic Party is in the process of driving off a large part of its base - women voters.

The young, hotheaded extremists don't support the party, just their candidate. They don't turn out for other elections or campaign in other races. They're political narcissists and impulse buyers.

Maybe its time for a women's political party. 52% of the US population is a pretty sizeable group.

[NanceGreggs]

63. In case you haven't noticed ...

... a lot of WOMEN don't support Hillary, and I'm one of them. And her gender has nothing to do with it.

But why don't you start that women's party - and be sure to check in here now and again and let us know how that's going. Because as we all know, ALL WOMEN think alike, and will undoubtedly vote alike.

Maybe you could call it the Stepford Wives Party!

[kerry-is-my-prez]

67. Well - I guess women come in all sorts of packages.....

very interesting, isn't it?

[otohara]

45. ObamaBabies, ObamaTools, Obamites, Obama Assholes, Obamabots

and of course we're all members of the ObamaCult.

I suppose I could go find some of the real nasty stuff said about him & his 89 year old racist grandmother. make no mistake, it's not just about Sen. Clinton here on the DU board. But then, people see what they want to see.

Both are capable, I want to go forward with a fresh new face, one that will instantly improve our standing in the world.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

48. To top it all off - I grew up in Michigan and am now a Floridian which is also pissing me off.

If the party can't get their shit together to fix that problem - how are they going to fix the huge mess this country is now in?

[otohara]

51. After 7 Years of Breaking Rules

ignoring subpoenas, blowing off the people of this country, etc., etc., it's kinda refreshing to me, to see the DNC stick to the rules. I'm sorry about this mess in FL & MI, but the party said don't do it or there will be consequences.

[greyghost]

57. Hillary needs to hang it up, there is no excuse for her to continue this

farce. I understand why people are losing their tempers, I don't condone the name calling however.

[eridani]

58. That crap ought to have been deleted.

We need to take it upon ourselves to alert on the vile shit immediately.

[CatnHat]

64. I agree with the original OP

Obama and his crowd are the most arrogant bunch to come down the pike (they even top Bush and his supporters); while they're busy blaming the Clinton's; Obama can't even keep his own house in order. He is definitely not a leader, and will not only loose the GE, but is taking the democratic party with him. Obama surrounds himself with shady politicians, mentors, and God knows what else; guess that the Clinton's fault too!!!!! It's disgusting.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

68. They're even nasty when they're winning....

Usually - when someone works in politics you try to win the other candidates supporters over - but not this crew.

Maybe a lot of them are really repubs who are trying to create dissention amongst Democrats as one of the O supporters said earlier. I really hope that is the case....

[JohnnyLib2]

69. Good points.

:thumbsup:

[rodeodance]

77. rec

[question everything]

80. Thank you. Not finding your post earlier, I posted something that dovetails

yours

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5214352