Forget the "Bill Clinton was trying to imply that Obama doesn't love his country" meme

[cali]

Some see it that way. Others don't. What I find disturbing is the continual praise and build up of John McCain by Camp Clinton. It is not helpful. At all. No matter who the dem nominee is. Bill Clinton reinforced the McCain Myth yesterday. You know, the myth about how honorable and what a good maverick John is. He's not. He's a sleazy creep both in his personal and profesional life. He's the worst kind of big business fascist toady. He has an ugly history of bending over for any lobbying interest that will advance his presidential ambitions. He was neck deep in the Keating business. He's has no honor about torture for all his lying ass words. And Bill fucking got it wrong on that too by saying that McCain is against torture. Wrong. McCain's most recent vote was pro-torture. Here's what Bill said yesterday:

"It'd be a great thing if we had an election where you had two people who love this country, who were devoted to the interest of the country and people could actually ask themselves who is right on these issues instead of all this other stuff which always seems to intrude on our politics."

John McCain devoted to the interests of this country? Yeah, if you're the rich and powerful.

The problem with the continual sucking up to McCain that Camp Clinton is engaged in, is that it will come back to haunt us- big time. McCain can use both Hill's and Bill's words in one ad after another, making it look like anyone who doesn't agree that McCain is some noble champion of America, is just a petty, political liar.

Has the candidate or her husband gone after McCain hard? Or even not so hard? If so, I'd love to see the quotes. Obama has gone after McCain, and he's consistently been undermined by the Clintons in that regard. It's maddening to see a dem candidate and her husband, the former President sucking on McCain's whatever. And it doesn't help dems.

[John Q. Citizen]

1. It's a Lieberman or a Zell kind of behaviors. It makes me wonder if they are leaving

the party to strike an alliance with the dark forces.

[cali]

2. I don't think they're leaving the party

but I do wonder if it's being done to make it more difficult for Obama. They know her chances are exceedingly thin, and if they undermine Obama and McCain gets elected, it opens the possibility of her making a run in 2012.

[MH1]

6. The shortsightedness of Clinton's behavior is scary in itself.

If you assume that he is only trying to help Hillary win the nomination.

The alternative is even worse, almost too horrible to think about - that Clinton would rather McCain won in the GE, if Hillary isn't the nominee.

I'm sorry Clinton fans, I just can't see any good explanation for Clinton's words about McCain. Everything I come up with is bad, or awful.

[Bensthename]

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[ThatBozGuy]

13. Look up NDC and take a look into why the DLC is copying everything the DNC does for the party

The Clinton's are preparing the New Democratic Coalition to split the party and shave off the liberal base.

The DLC/NDC are avowedly centrist who claim moderate and pro-business stances and have lack of focus on social justice and the poor, the democratic party's traditional base.

That is why Ms Clinton's health care is a dictate to PURCHASE a policy from a corporate entity rather than universal health care.

And yes Lieberman is part of that circle and that is why McCain parise is so high in the Clinton's eyes.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

3. I'm sick of these McBush lovers. Bill should just blow him & get it over with.

[BklynChick]

4. I keep wondering what they hope to gain in this. I guess they want to put Hillary and McCain in the

same league and Obama not in their league. Although I watched the entire piece on Bill in NC and he was most definitely trying to paint Obama as unAmerican. Bill is a very deliberate speaker, whether it's spontaneous or rehearsed. But if you put that aside, and just see him making the connection between Hillary and McCain, that is about trying to push Obama off to the side.

[Vinca]

5. The Clinton love fest with McCain makes no sense. Suppose she was

the candidate. How can she run a campaign against someone they've been sending hugs and kisses to for months? Hillary's already on tape talking about all McBush's experience and now Bill is touting his patriotism. Are the Clintons getting paid behind the scenes to make McBush campaign commercials?

[Bensthename]

8. It's simple. Obama turned Billary down for VP so now they are wanting VP under McBush

[BeyondGeography]

9. McCain/Clinton would be a sad commentary on this country

Two insiders who are obviously comfortable with each other and share a combined five decades in Washington in what is supposedly a "change" election. A perfect demonstration of the failure of the American imagination at a time when we're spinning our wheels here and abroad.

[rug]

10. If Obama gets the nomination get ready for him to thank McCain for his service and his patriotism.

It is Politics 101 to acknowledge the opponent's strengths, admire him personally, and then attack his policies. Everywhere but GDP.

This type of approach is right up Obama's alley and perfectly in tune with Obama's alleged bipartisanship.

Be honest. The squealing here is over the intimation that it will be Clinton doing the debating in the fall, not Obama.

[cali]

11. Yes, of course, and he's already done it,, but

it was part and parcel of an attack on McCain. The Clintons are straight out praising McCain and doing it repeatedly. And I'm being honest. I don't see hillary being the nominee. I think the odds are very heavily against it. Obama is a much better fighter than hilly, who as it turns out really sucks at it.

[hulka38]

12. Honestly, I'm not all that worried about her being the nominee anymore

I'm more concerned about the longer this drags on the less likely we will win in the Fall. I don't believe the converse is true. It defies common sense. I think every Democrat should acknowledge this as truth, at least privately, Clintons included.

"If Obama gets the nomination get ready for him to thank McCain for his service and his patriotism" - As cali says, Obama has already said this several times.

Concerning cali's original point, what I object to is an ex-President repeatedly lavishing praise on the opponent on key character issues like patriotism and readiness to be CIC while purposely excluding that praise for the likely nominee of his own party. The message is obvious. This is no accident or oversight. It's calculated. This is nowhere near politics 101 and calling this tactic bipartisanship is a joke.

[NNN0LHI]

14. Can I ask you something cali?

How do you know who is Camp Clinton on an anonymous website?

Be honest. You don't do you?

Don

[JerseygirlCT]

15. Makes one very, very nervous should Clinton pull a miracle and get our

nomination.

Would we then get to watch a pleasant cave in to McCain?

[JimGinPA]

16. Sorry Cali, While I Usally Agree With Most Of What You Say, I Strongly Disagree With You Here...

Bill knew exactly what he was saying, and the quote of his you included was code, specifically meant to diminish Obama by imply he isn't patriotic. Without question. It was a calculated statement meant to make Obama look unelectable because of this perception. It was just a despicable
thing thing for him to have done, right out of the Rove playbook.