HRC's attacks on Obama are attacks on the values of RFK.

[Ken Burch]

Robert Kennedy fought, harder than anything else, to build a coalition of the powerless that included both working-class whites and people of color.

In her appeals to "blue collar" fears of a black president, HRC(who had gained the endorsement of several of Bobby's children) has embraced the values of George Wallace and Richard Nixon against the values of Robert Kennedy and the values she later fought for(in her Democratic days) as a supporter of George McGovern.

She owes Bobby an apology.

She owes Bobby's children an apology.

She owes this party an apology.

She owes the American people an apology.

You can't run the kind of campaign she is now running and then possibly be anything positive as president.

Please, Senator Clinton, stop attacking the values of our hero and the hopes of the country.

You're a better person than this.

[Zynx]

1. This isn't even worthy of an ordered response so I won't oblige.

[baldguy]

6. Because its so true.

[Ken Burch]

32. You're actually just admitting you have no rebuttal to my point.

You know what HRC has been doing has been wrong. You know her campaign tactics are dividing the country by race and destroying our chances to win. How can you be ok with that and call yourself a Democrat?

You know Bobby would be outraged with her.

[Mezzo]

2. Attacking Hillary's values is like attacking the values of Florence Nightengale.

you owe everyone an apology for that.


Bobby children endorse Hillary, so you'd be wrong (again)

[Ken Burch]

13. Florence Nightengale stood up to entrenched authority to get decent medical care

for the British troops being slaughtered in the endless imperial conflicts in the Crimea.

Has HRC ever stood up to authority or defended the powerless?

And would she ever march with the UFW or fight for the poorest of the poor? Never has, so she never could.

[cali]

3. ugh. this Obama supporter

is not on board with the crap in your post.

[Ken Burch]

7. There's no way Bobby's kids could STILL be backing her

After she had Bill do the SC race-baiting and after the McCain endorsement.

Face it, HRC no longer cares about any of the things Bobby lived and died for. She couldn't and campaign like this.

[cali]

9. They are still backing her

and they know more about their father than you do.

[Ken Burch]

11. The Bobby of '68 would never approve of HRC's tactics.

Why the hell are you cutting her slack on this?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. Who Should I Believe?

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/video/121.aspx

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. Crickets

Tumbleweed

[Ken Burch]

14. That was before the SC campaign and before HRC played working-class whites against blacks.

We can assume Bobby's kids are looking for tactful way to retract their endorsements.

You can't run the kind of campaign HRC is running now and have anything in common with Bobby.

Not the Bobby of '68, which is the only Bobby worth having anything in common with.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. That Was After South Carolina

But it takes chutzpah to believe you know a person's feelings better than their own namesake...

[Ken Burch]

72. Bobby Jr. is only backing her because if she becomes president

There's a Senate vacancy in New York. There's no way he actually believes HRC stands for what his dad stood for.

[JI7]

5. stupid

[Ken Burch]

10. It's the truth.

There's no positive explanation for her campaign's viciousness, none that would make it legitimate for her to be our nominee after all of this.

She never had any excuse for trying to cause a split between working-class whites and people of color. And causing that split has been the only thing that's kept her in the race.

Why pretend otherwise?

[Tellurian]

17. Stupid Crap as usual from this poster!

[Ken Burch]

28. The person who supports the unpopular, conservative candidate says I post "stupid crap"?

That's an insult to crap AND stupidity.

HRC doesn't believe in anything Bobby stood for and has no capacity for growth or empathy. How can you still not see this?

And how can you not see that pitting working-class whites against blacks is an attack on everything Bobby stood for?

Bobby was killed for bringing those groups together. HRC wants them divided. Doesn't that bother you at all?

A HRC administration would be like having Ed Koch as president.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

67. of course the Clinton campaign won't admit it

they don't want anyone you to know it is them. They are not doing a good job of concealing themselves.

[Enrique]

8. I have a prediction

you will attack your "hero" mercilessly if/when he is president.

[SammyWinstonJack]

58. When Obama the "hero" is elected, if he is elected, and when he doesn't live up

to all the expectations from his fans, and he won't, the attacks will be fast and furious. Unless they go the way of the bushbots and defend him no matter what. :shrug: Either way, good times! :evilgrin:

[zabet]

15. RFK's history is

not as golden and pristine
as revisionists like to think,

"I did not lie awake at night worrying about the problems of Negroes."
-Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy, 1961
Kennedy later authorized wiretapping the phones and bugging the hotel rooms of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

[Ken Burch]

19. I'm talking about Bobby as he was in '68, after he'd changed.

We know HRC can never change like that, and we know she can't run the kind of campaign she's running now and then have a presidency that honors Bobby's values. You can't win ugly and govern beautiful.

[EFerrari]

21. That he grew into the Bobby of 1968 is all the more to his credit.

And Ken noted up thread.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. I Love Bobby

I shook his hand when I was ten years old...I still have his autographed picture on my dresser drawers...I have Ted's autographed picture as well...

As I said I love Bobby but I'm not naive enough to believe he was a cardboard saint...

[Ken Burch]

26. And I never said Bobby was a cardboard saint either.

What he was was a flawed person who grew. We know HRC can't grow. This campaign has proven that.

[joeybee12]

16. Oh so now Obama is RFK? I thought Wright said he was Jesus!

Having trouble keeping up with exactly who your Messiah is these days.

[Tellurian]

20. No, the latest is Tiger Woods..

Obama has never been a Champion or championed anything in his life!

[boston bean]

23. Atleast O's not "The One" anymore. nt

[Tellurian]

33. Just saw a headline this am.. The other "O"... Oprah

weighs a whopping 245 lbs. Oprah packs on the pounds when she's depressed. I gather she's not too happy about Obambi right now because it reflects on her.

http://netscape.aol.com/

[Ken Burch]

35. Oh, so now we're attacking people on their weight?

Insulting an African American woman must really make you feel good.

Kindly tell me how it would be possible, if HRC does defy the odds and get nominated and then elected, for her to do anything progressive or positive in office after campaigning ugly.

[Tellurian]

39. Nope, Oprah has admitted when she's depressed she seeks out comfort food..

If she were happy with Obmama.. she'd be as skinny as a stick.

Nice of you to play the race card at every turn.. Too bad it won't fly..

[Ken Burch]

42. Your candidate is the one who's played the race card.

Bill Clinton's "It doesn't count if Obama wins SC because Jesse won there" meme was racist and you know it.

Appealing to blue collar white fears of a black president is racist, and you know it.

Your candidate can't run this way and then do anything progressive in office.

[Tellurian]

47. Here's a video with Bill Clinton's comment...imbecile

Too bad it's not even close to your quote..

Ken spend the day cultivating some credibility. Maybe the Easter Bunny can help you out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqd2dfjl2pw

[Ken Burch]

54. That video vindicates my point.

Clinton burst out laughing when Obama's name was mentioned, then invoked Jesse, invoking him solely for the purpose of implying that because Jesse won SC twice it wouldn't count if Obama won it. His tone was contemptuous and arrogant.

Your video doesn't prove that Bill's tactics were honorable.

[joeybee12]

45. Hey, if Tiger wins again this weekend, I expect him to walk on

water as a follow-up...certainly an impressive streak he's got going.

[Tellurian]

48. ABO..anybody but Obama..

If Tiger or Denzel were running, Hillary would have a hard time competing.

She's got this fraud, Obama backed into a corner... Lets see him squirm out of this one!

[Ken Burch]

50. Obama isn't a fraud, and we all know a HRC nomination means defeat

Is there a REASON you want a McCain presidency?

The fact is that Obama is the only one who can win, and also, nobody named Clinton can lecture anybody else on honesty.

[Tellurian]

52. You're a Fraud too..

I just showed you up as promoting false statements with video proof in post #47

[Ken Burch]

55. You did nothing of the kind.

The video proves that Clinton was implying that SC didn't count as a real win for Obama because Jesse won it twice.

It couldn't mean anything else.

The burst of derisive laughter at the start was also part of it.

[Ken Burch]

51. Obama was a community organizer in Chicago, Unlike HRC, he's actually helped poor people

gain some victories and defend their rights. HRC has never been on the side of the powerless.

Her life has never been anything but middle-class suburban complacency.

If she ever shook hands with a poor person, she'd immediately wash with disinfectant.

And how the hell did Tiger Woods come into this?

All Tiger is is an advertising symbol. I've never had any use for him.

[Tellurian]

53. Good bye, Ken..

Happy Easter... and better Luck next time selling your BS to the uninformed!

[Ken Burch]

24. Obama isn't my messiah. He's just the best candidate for the times.

I probably will protest stuff he does when elected. The Nineties proved that nothing good comes from a Democratic president facing only rightward pressure when in office.

The difference is that Obama has grown and is capable of listening. HRC can't grow and will automatically take the most conservative decision on all major issues, just like in the Nineties.

[Tellurian]

36. Look, Obama is a hypocrite and a Liar! We've got 2 of them in the WH right now..

We don't need more of the same for 4 more years.

He's been caught in so many lies to date and hasn't been called on them publicly by the msm..

[Ken Burch]

38. He has not.

And you're candidate will have no right to ask African-American voters or progressives to back her if she wins the nomination by running this ugly.

You need to accept the fact that Obama is almost certain to be nominated and you need to accept the fact that you are hurting the party and the country with this kind of slander.

Obama's done nothing to deserve your hatred.

[Tellurian]

41. What hatred. Calling a Liar a Liar is hatred? Since when?

[EFerrari]

25. You are arguing personalities. Ken Burch is arguing values. n/t

[Rosa Luxemburg]

27. Hillary Clinton should never use race to wedge between white and black voters

[Ken Burch]

30. Thank you.

And thanks for the great picture of Rosa Luxemburg in your posts. She's one of my heroes.

[maddiejoan]

37. She hasn't

That's manufactured bullshit from the Obama campaign.

Apparently you've bought it into it.

[Ken Burch]

44. You're helping divide the Rainbow(of which LGBT voters are a proud part)

You should be ashamed of yourself.

You know HRC can't campaign as she has and then do anything progressive or positive in office.

[maddiejoan]

46. Spare me your faux outrage

The only thing Obama will do for the LGBT community is continue to, at best, ignore us --and at worst throw us under the bus for political expediency.

I'm transgendered --hell --I've been thrown under the bus by the Human Right's Campaign for political reasons. (ENDA)

So spare me your mouth-breathing outrage,

[Ken Burch]

49. And the Clintons repeatedly threw the whole LGBT community under the bus.

They never backed you when the chips were down.

(BTW, I hope you can overturn the HRC's position on transgender rights.)

"Don't Ask, Don't Tell" was just as bad as McClurkin.

It always amazes me how the Clintons can inspires loyalty without ever showing any.

[maddiejoan]

56. DADT

was better than what preceded it.

Bill Clinton wanted to allow Gays to serve in the military and sadly was only able to gain a compromise with DADT.

Hillary has stated that she will repeal DADT.

as far as the Human Rights Campaign and TG inclusion in ENDA goes --I've been fight THAT battle for a very long time.

Hillary has spoken out specifically about the need for trans-inclusion in ENDA , and was in support of trans-inclusion rights here in the NYS workplace.
She's one of the few politicians on the national scene who actually uses the full word "transgender" in her speeches on the matter.
She has transgendered women on her own LGBT rights steering committee. She HAS earned my loyalty.

[joeybee12]

64. Don't ask, don't tell was awful, and it was 15 years ago, Donnie McCloset Case

is recent...people have moved on and we've progressed since then and Don'ask will soon be history, but BO still thinks he can have it both ways, praise gays, then throw them under the bus. No thanks.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

59. why are the Clintons and GOP trying to drive the wedge in with the pastor?

[maddiejoan]

60. Why are you lying?

Clinton is doing no such thing.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

61. how do you know?

how?

[maddiejoan]

63. How do you?

You don't --so instead you think it's delightful to pass speculation off as fact.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

66. who else would want Obama to do badly

since she said she would throw the kitchen sink at him then one would assume that it is not an accident that this is being used by the Clinton Campaign?

[EFerrari]

29. Why is HIllary Clinton trying to divide the coalition we need to in elections.

I had the same thought about Bobby on Tuesday, remembering his campaign and how he brought all kinds of working people together.

[LittleClarkie]

31. And a vote against Hillary is a vote against all woman and Obama owes all women an apology

Really, no.

[Ken Burch]

34. Not the same thing.

She had the right to campaign against Obama, but she was obligated to do it positively and on the issues, not through race-baiting. You know perfectly well the Bobby of '68 would never approve of what she's doing to the party and the country now. And you also know that her tactics would make it impossible for her to do anything progressive if she did somehow get elected.

[LittleClarkie]

40. I would have agreed with your post if you hadn't included Bobby Kennedy

It's like saying Obama IS Bobby Kennedy. And that seemed a tad overblown.

There are several Dems throughout history who wouldn't approve.

[Ken Burch]

43. I never said Obama IS RFK.

I said that what HRC has done in running her campaign the way she has is an attack on RFK's values. You know as well as I do that it would be impossible to campaign as she has and then do anything that honors Bobby's values once in office.

[Fredda Weinberg]

57. You owe HRC an apology ... do you want to end up like RFK?

The Clintons have approached progress a different way ... better than the Kennedys if you ask me.

[EFerrari]

65. Yes, that's why Bill Clinton is called the best Republican president

we've ever had, isn't it?

[Fredda Weinberg]

70. I appreciate that he's a living president who took office space in

Harlem. He could have gone anywhere, done anything. So could she, but she served a full term in the Senate because we expected it. Either way, when silly season is over, I win.

[EFerrari]

71. That's a good attitude, Fredda.

:)

[Barack_America]

62. This is a very interesting idea that I will consider.

Thanks for posting.

[shellinaya]

68. Get over yourself

LOL!!!

That's really funny, considering RFK Jr. endorsed hillary.

RFK is dead, I doubt an apology would matter to him anyway.

[intheozone]

69. OH please, you are being ridiculous. nt