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Sat Mar-22-08 08:33 AM
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Women (who waited all their lives to vote for a woman) for Obama |
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Just before the February 19 primary some of us put this ad in the Wisconsin State Journal. Most of us are middle aged women who certainly do understand the sexism against Hillary Clinton. We are feminists and we know what the glass ceiling is because we have experienced it in our own lives. But some higher values are at stake in this election.
100 WISCONSIN WOMEN SAY 'YES' TO OBAMA
We've waited all our adult lives to vote for a woman. Our opportunity is here and in conscience we cannot vote for this woman.
In voting for Obama we will remember all women including:
-All women whose loved ones are in Iraq for months at a time, while they are left behind to wonder if there sons, daughters, spouses, partners or friends shall return.
-All women and children whose loved ones have come home from Iraq with broken bodies and spirits or in body bags.
-All women serving in Iraq.
-All the Iraqi women who have died.
-All Iraqi women who have lost their sons and daughters to the violence of this tragic war.
-All the Iraqi women who have been widowed.
-All the Iraqi women who have been raped and terrorized.
-All the Iraqi women who have lost their homes, lost their jobs, lost what freedom they had, lost their opportunity for education, lost their hope, lost their careers.
We shall vote for Mr. Obama who was courageous enough at the beginning of this war to say, "I am not opposed To all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics".
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Sat Mar-22-08 08:39 AM
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1. Wow. Very cool. Recommend with thanks! If I lived in WI, I'd sign that. nt |
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Sat Mar-22-08 08:40 AM
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2. That last line you quote leaves the door wide open... |
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for more wars. Lots of em.
More raped and widowed women. More women serving abroad away from their families.
A vote for Obama also resets the putty around the glass ceiling, yet again.
Good work Gals.
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Sat Mar-22-08 08:49 AM
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5. Glass ceiling for Clintons as well. |
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Dee Dee Myers admitted on the Colbert Report she was paid less than her male counterparts, some of them even had less responsibility than her.
She didn't bring it up to Bill, she said, because "he had many other things on his mind".
Who are you depending on again?
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Sat Mar-22-08 09:55 AM
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13. Bill was too busy getting bjs from interns |
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to worry about pay equity in the WH
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Sat Mar-22-08 08:52 AM
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if he doesn't end this war pronto, he's going to have 1000 Wisconsin women on his front lawn to deal with.
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Sun Mar-23-08 02:42 AM
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17. 1001 angry Wisconsin women ;) n/t |
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Sat Mar-22-08 08:41 AM
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3. Unless these women are all SEXIST PIGS, which I find baseless and impossible, |
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then the grounds for voter opposition to Senator Clinton's bid for the White House must be rooted in other, more complex, and quite valid reasons than "sexism."
Strongly stated words by these women, and an excellent post.
Recommended.
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Sat Mar-22-08 08:43 AM
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Sat Mar-22-08 08:50 AM
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6. if hillary were running to be the 4th woman president, would she |
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have even gotten this far? i don't think so, myself. thanks for posting this.
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Sun Mar-23-08 03:19 AM
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21. excellent point how about if she was running against another woman? |
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Sat Mar-22-08 09:06 AM
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8. That's amazing, I lived in Wisconsin for many years and the |
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only time I was able to get 100 women to say "Yes" to me was when I worked at the grocery store and asked "Would you like me to help you to your car with this?"
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Sat Mar-22-08 09:17 AM
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:rofl:
This came out of Madison. Gov Doyle endorsed Obama early, and Rep Baldwin and Lt Gov Lawton were for Clinton. Feingold hasn't endorsed yet and neither has Kohl. A great number of elected officials in WI were for Edwards but he and Kucinich dropped out before the primary.
John Nichols has been an outspoken critic of the war and a leader in the impeachment movement. During a week when a lot of people were figuring out which candidate to vote for, Nichols pointed this out as the sharp difference between Clinton and Obama- that the other differences between them were actually negligible. And he also thinks Obama has better political instincts.
John Nichols has excellent political instincts.
Well, turns out the war is the most important issue for a lot of people in Madison, which went 2:1 for Obama.
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Sat Mar-22-08 09:21 AM
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11. Madison has always been anti-War and liberal. Having worked |
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in grocery stores in both the Milwaukee area and Madison forty or so years ago, I'd say the percentage of women who wanted carry-outs was about the same though....
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Sat Mar-22-08 09:10 AM
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As a 50yo woman I can't say I've waited all my life to vote for a woman for president. But I can say that I would have voted for a woman who voted against this dumb, rash war.
And I'm supporting Obama because he didn't support it, among many other reasons.
When I heard Hillary talk about giving the Iraqis the greatest gift, that of freedom, I wondered how many Iraqi women are grateful for that gift - the one that killed their sons and daughters and husbands. The one that allowed the extremist religious elements to rise to power and restrict that so-called freedom.
I can tell you this: If the choice was to be "set free" at the cost of my children's lives or to live under a dictator, I would choose to live under a dictator so that my children could live. My children come before all else in this world.
At the birth of this nation, our forebearers DECIDED to fight against British rule. Nobody invaded us to "set us free." It was OUR decision. Had I lived then, I probably would have made the same decision. As a veteran, I am certainly not afraid of a fight that is worthy. But the key is that it is the will of the people. And perhaps the Iraqis new all along the pitfalls of deposing Saddam, that the factions would be unleashed to fight each other and that religious extremists would rule. I dare say that's why they chose to live under his reign for so long.
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Sat Mar-22-08 09:23 AM
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12. When Hillary was First Lady |
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we knew she had political ambitions. I thought it was pretty cool that she was going to be an intellectually involved First Lady and not just ornamental. And that maybe she would be the first woman president. But times are different. We're in crisis. And the toll on the people of Iraq has been terrible- we really do need to stop the bleeding now.
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Sat Mar-22-08 10:20 AM
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14. Explains at least part of my vote. K&R. n/m |
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Sat Mar-22-08 10:37 AM
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15. My 77 Year Old Mom Switched Her Vote To Obama |
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Mom was valedictorian of her high school class, daughter of a coal miner. She left home in small town downstate Illinois, to set out on her own in Chicago at a time when few women took such chances. She came back home to marry and raise 6 children. She still cross country ski's when ever she gets a chance. She's tough, as well as smart.
She embraced the ideal of the Clinton Campaign early on but was dismayed as reports filtered in to us about the manner in which the campaign was mismanaged by the Clinton camp in neighboring Iowa. She was mortified by the negative attacks, "the kitchen sink tactics," of the Clinton's and finally switched to Obama after Wild Bill's behavior in South Carolina.
And she is worried sick that if the present divisiveness does not stop soon, we as a party are delivering the White House to the Republican Party once again.
mike kohr
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Sun Mar-23-08 03:56 AM
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22. My 89 year-old grandmother was much the same. |
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Sun Mar-23-08 02:37 AM
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I am with you. I am a feminist for Obama. I wanted to vote for a woman so badly but just cannot do it for Hillary.
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Sun Mar-23-08 02:43 AM
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18. Error, you've already recommended that thread. |
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Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 02:44 AM by Catherina
:woohoo: for strong, principled women!
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Sun Mar-23-08 07:20 AM
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23. Brilliant! I gladly recommend this thread. |
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Sun Mar-23-08 07:27 AM
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24. Nice post - I would just add what Marianne Williamson has said... |
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...that Obama's approach and campaign are more in tune with "feminine energies" than Hillary's approach and campaign ~ bridge building and open-mindedness vs scorched earth and aggression.
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