Judas Richardson

[calicat]

... “An act of betrayal,� said James Carville, an adviser to Mrs. Clinton and a friend of Mr. Clinton.

“Mr. Richardson’s endorsement came right around the anniversary of the day when Judas sold out for 30 pieces of silver, so I think the timing is appropriate, if ironic,� Mr. Carville said, referring to Holy Week...

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And how upfront was Richardson with the Clinton campaign in the lead up to his betrayal?

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"Mr. Clinton had told his wife’s campaign that he had received several assurances from Mr. Richardson that he would not endorse Mr. Obama."

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To who did Richardson owe his fancy resume?

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"Mr. Clinton helped elevate Mr. Richardson to the national stage by naming him his energy secretary and ambassador to the United Nations."

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Obama now has a back stabbing snake in his campaign. Perhaps a Veep deal or cabinet position is the motivation.

But Judas Richardson will not let loyalty stand in the way of ambition or another feather for the resume.

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Quoted material from -

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/22/us/politics/22richardson.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2&ref=politics

[msongs]

1. richardson is angling for or has already been promised VP IMO nt

[Ravy]

9. That would be my guess, and make sense on one level for Obama.

A western state governor with an impressive resume who is also a member of a group that Obama will need in the GE to be successful.

On another level, however, I could see the ardent Hillary supporters sitting this one out by putting someone who is viewed as unloyal to them on the ticket.

[JackORoses]

79. Richardson is just a decent human being.

Hillary doesn't know what that is.
She finds decent human beings insignificant.

[randr]

2. And the role of Jesus would be played by---?

[marshall]

49. If Hillary is Jesus, does that make Bill Clinton the Virgin Mary?

Oh the irony.

[Hepburn]

64. ROFL!!

In the role of the Virgin Mary...we have...BILL CLINTON!

:rofl:

[Rosa Luxemburg]

68. you'd better say some Hail Marys

[Catherina]

63. Lol! Too funny! n/t

[easy_b94]

3. your post has failed...just like this pic.....

[Citizen Kang]

93. Hillbot Fail

Fail.

[pathansen]

94. Hillary already won New Mexico & Richardson only got 1%. So, he's the failure

Not only can he not carry his own state, he goes against the will of the people in New Mexico. So its obvious that Richardson just sold his soul for special favors that will never come to fruition.

[fudge stripe cookays]

4. Oh brother.

:eyes:

[Kierkegaard]

5. Wow.

Try Prozac.

[RichardRay]

23. I take Prozac - it wouldn't help her...

Something more on the order of a good swift kick in the ass might do it.

Other choices: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedative

[Kierkegaard]

35. LOL!

You are probably right.

[LaurenG]

6. That is just silly, he's a Judas for choosing a democratic candidate?

Someone is a sore loser. :shrug:

[Barack_America]

7. Is their an "Ugliest DU Poster" pageant going on?

I'm sure you're the front-runner, but who are the other contestants?

[tridim]

8. Or, maybe Richardson just did what he believes is right.

Carville has gone completely insane.

[rurallib]

15. Maybe Richardson was choosing what he believes is best for the country?

what an odd concept.
I wish Carville and his goofy wife would disappear.

[SOS]

52. OP selectively quotes James Carville

Here's a part of the article that sheds more light and less heat:

"The decision by Mr. Richardson to support Mr. Obama was a belt of bad news for Mrs. Clinton. It was a stinging rejection of her candidacy by a man who had served in two senior positions in President Bill Clinton’s administration, and who is one of the nation’s most prominent elected Hispanics. Mr. Richardson came back from vacation to announce his endorsement at a moment when Mrs. Clinton’s hopes of winning the Democratic nomination seem to be dimming.

But potentially more troublesome for Mrs. Clinton was what Mr. Richardson said in announcing his decision. He criticized the tenor of Mrs. Clinton’s campaign."

[loyalsister]

70. seriously?

I can't imagine why someone who is also a minority would have any objections.

[Window]

82. I wonder why Richardson would criticize the tneor of Hillary's campaign.

:sarcasm:

[whatchamacallit]

10. Judas or Judicious?

He simply has the good judgment to choose what's best for the country. Sorry.

[faithfulcitizen]

11. enjoy your stay!

[RazBerryBeret]

12. Just Maybe....

Richardson honestly believes he has picked the best person.
Free-thinking, I know it's a hard concept.

Kudos to him for following his head/heart instead of following the expected lock-step parade with the chosen-has-to-be-leader.
the "scratch my back" attitude can that pervades washington needs to be overcome. ENOUGH of the business as usual!

funny how some people look for insincere/dishonest motivations in everything....makes me wonder...

[panader0]

13. More looney crap from calicat

Endorsing the candidate of his choice makes him a traitor?

[CreekDog]

86. not merely a traiter, JUDAS, who betrayed the Lord!

:crazy:

[Bodhi BloodWave]

95. But dosn't a lot of Hillary supporters call Obama the messiah o.O

Wouldn't that mean that 'Judas' in this instance actually stands by the Lord using their own rhetoric? :P

[CreekDog]

97. never use HRC campaign logic against itself

that destabilizes the universe. :crazy:

[malletgirl02]

98. Hiliarious

Especially, considering many Clinton supporters snidely refer to Obama as the Messiah. Can you feel the irony?

[Bodhi BloodWave]

100. ayupp

Preacher voice: And so 'Judas' sided with the 'Messiah' and gained REDEMPTION :evilgrin:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

14. And endorsements will have more meaning

When they stop being viewed as obligations owed for favors given.

I'll never forget how some Clinton supporters here freaked out when Janet N. endorsed Obama. It was embarassing how they really felt she owed it to them.

[Liberal Veteran]

16. What you are saying is that Clinton OWNS Richardson by way of quid pro quo?

What a disgusting benchmark for dissing someone's endorsement.

Give me people who can pick and choose based on their own values rather than some misplaced loyalty anyday.

If that's the kind of political system you want, perhaps the republicans would be a better match for you. They love all this quid pro quo and cronyism shit.

[Hepburn]

38. I have a very close male pal....I love him dearly....

...he is smart, talented, successful and honest and I would do just about anything in the world for him...except vote for him for office. He is to the right of Ronald Reagan on some issues and I just could not make my loyalty to him and love for him as a person excuse making a good judgment based on the policies he would or would not support.

So, I can clearly see that Richardson did what he thought was best for our country and he did not merely trade on political loyalties. Makes him anything but a Judas in my book.

The OP should be ashamed of herself for posting garbage like this. I agree with you that Richardson did the right thing.

JMHO

[MaineDem]

17. Not everything is as Carville says

This is the intimidation that the Clintons are counting on. Here it didn't work.

Richardson performed his jobs well. He may owe Bill Clinton thanks but loyalty until death? I don't think so.

[calicat]

18. I get why he grew the beard now

He's the spitting image of Judas.

[Forkboy]

20. I get why you post crap now.

You're a moran.

[MaineDem]

24. Or...

to build post count.

[MaineDem]

22. That is absolutely ridiculous!

How freaking silly.

[tridim]

25. How do you know what Judas looked like?

Do you have a link to a photo?

:eyes:

[Liberal Veteran]

33. Judas was blonde haired and blue-eyed and spoke English, just like Jesus!

:rofl:

[Liberal Veteran]

26. Answer me this (if you can).

Are you really suggesting that Richardson OWES support to the Clintons based on political favors?

Are you really suggesting that cronyism takes precedence over idealism?

Are you really suggesting that delegates must vote on who gave them a job rather than what they see as good for their country?

And if so, how is that any different from Harriet Miers for SCOTUS or Brownie?

[calicat]

42. He worked for them for two terms

It's not so unreasonable to assume he believes in them and supports them, is it?

[Hepburn]

45. So what?

Just because he worked for or with them, does that mean he is not free to make a choice when he sees someone he feels is better?

[Liberal Veteran]

51. I worked for Microsoft for 6.5 years....does mean I have to use IE when Firefox is better?

Endorsing Obama doesn't mean he HATES the Clintons or that he has betrayed them. It means he thinks that Obama is the better candidate.

[Hepburn]

62. OMG.......

....I think she is on to something....switch back NOW, you MUST use Microsoft because you worked for them for 6.5 years!

Do this or be labeled .... ooooooh....drumroll....a JUDAS! :rofl:

[CreekDog]

89. you have to vote for Bill Gates for president

or else you are Judas. :eyes:

[tularetom]

67. I don't believe he ever worked for "them"

He was employed by the US government (you and me) during the administration of bill clinton. as far as I know hillarity has never been his employer nor in a true sense, has bill.

And even if he was their friggin butler for crissakes, it's still america and he can endorse whoever the fuck he wants.

[jaxx]

71. He worked for Bill Clinton........not "them"

What is this compulsion to give her a prior presidency? If that's the case, she isn't eligible to run anyway.

[CreekDog]

88. so you are voting for your boss for president if he/she runs right?

do tell...

[EmilyAnne]

101. Its also not unreasonable to assume that he really KNOWS them and has decided that Barack Obama is

the better candidate. Come on. Its not like Richardson came out and said that he hates the Clintons. He hasn't rejected and denounced them. He just thinks Barack Obama would make a better president and his speech did an excellent job supporting this decision.

[SOS]

61. By that line of absurd reasoning

Carville is bald because he's emulating Mussolini.

:eyes:

[CreekDog]

107. you've added so much dimension

to the word stupid.

[polichick]

19. More calicrap.

[Straight Shooter]

21. All high-level politicians look out for themselves.

I am not surprised by Richardson.

[calicat]

27. I wonder what he got.

I didn't realize Richardson was such a snake

[whatchamacallit]

30. Distance from Hill and her nut-case supporters

is reward enough

[Liberal Veteran]

32. Yep. You and the Clintons deserve each other.

Scorched earth politics and cronyism is the Clinton stock in trade.

I am appalled and offended you would suggest that Richardson owes his soul to the Clintons.

That's cronyism. Pure and simple and it's disgusting in the extreme that you would even suggest that's how our party should be run.

[Hepburn]

46. He at least got away from some of the assholes who support Hillary.

[CreekDog]

90. Carville was a Judas for marrying a Republican after Bill Clinton hired him

he should have married Hillary and showed some loyalty. :crazy:

[apocalypsehow]

28. Your posts remind of a dump I took one time.

n/t.

[Hepburn]

43. I would respectfully disagree....

...any dump would have to smell better than the scent left by the OP on this thread.

JMHO

[apocalypsehow]

54. You know, after careful reconsideration I think you're right!

:-)

[Hepburn]

60. LOL....

....:hi:

[mikelewis]

29. Cheppelle and Rock on being a Black President and the Vice Presidency...

Chris Rock
"As long as you live you will never see a black vice president, you know why? Because some black guy would just kill the president. I'd do it. If Colin Powell was vice president, I'd kill the president and tell his mother about it. What would happen to me? What would they do? Put me in jail with a bunch of black guys that would treat me like a king for the rest of my life? I would be the biggest star in jail, alright, people would be coming up to me and I'd be signing autographs: '97-KY, here you go.' Guys would be going: 'You're the brother that shot Bush. And you told his mother about it huh? I hope my children turn out to be just like you. Man, you know I was getting ready to rape you until I realized who you were.' And even if they had a death penalty, what would happen? I'd just be pardoned by the black president."



Dave Chapelle

The only reason I don't want to be president is 'cause I'm black. That would make it too hot for me.
There could be a black president one day but you don't want to be the first one. Second or third, that's fine, but that first ***African American*** better watch out. I mean I'd be the first black president and I don't think that anybody would really really hurt me. I'm sure someone would wanna hurt me, but I don't think they'd touch me... 'cause... ummm... 'cause my vice president would be Mexican for a little insurance. You can shoot me if you want but you're just gonna open the border up. So you might as well leave me and vice president Santiago to our own devices. "Ain't that right, Santiago?" "Si... Elian can stay"

[TwilightGardener]

31. Wow, this endorsement must have really stung, I'm finding out.

[calicat]

36. Yes back stabbing hurts

Who knows, Obama may find out if Judas doesn't get what he wants.

[apocalypsehow]

40. While we have you here, I'm curious. What is "Eagles Up!" supposed to mean?

:shrug:

[MaineDem]

41. Seriously, why does Richardson owe undying loyalty to the Clintons?

Isn't he allowed to make up his own mind as to his idea of the better candidate? I'm not being snide. I seriously want to know why you think he owes his vote to Hillary.

[marshall]

50. That's the good ole boy network.

Obama challenges it by trying to move outside his approved station.

[Liberal Veteran]

47. Advocating cronyism doesn't reflect well on your judgement.

You should think about what it is you are really saying. You are saying that delegates are OWNED by way of favors done in the past.

We are democrats here. What you are advocating for is the way republicans run things.

[Hepburn]

53. So how the fuck did he backstab the Queen?

By doing what he thought was right and choosing someone better? Is it your position that he is NOT allowed to think soneone would do a better job than Hillary?

Soooooooo...it was OK for him to run against her cuz he thought he was better...but is is backstabbing to pick Obama over her. That is basically the logic (if one can use that word in reference to any of the crap you post) ~~ OK to run against her, but not OK to support someone running against her.

You are totally fucked up in the head...really bady fucked up.

JMHO

[CreekDog]

91. Calicat, the Clinton campaign called

they said to stop making her supporters look stupid. :hi:

[Forkboy]

103. ...

:spray:

[shellinaya]

34. Richardson is irrelevant, TG

The good things about Richardson are many: He's obscure, no one knows who he is, no one cares, and all it will do is get him a nice job if Obama wins the presidency, but this endorsement sure won't help that effort.

Most of America doesn't know or care who Richardson is.

[Liberal Veteran]

39. Uh-huh....so irrelevant that Clintonistas are livid over the Richardson endorsement.

The essential line is: HOW DARE THAT TRAITOROUS BASTARD SUPPORT OBAMA?!???!! URG!! ARGH!!! HE SHOULD ROT IN HELL FOR BRETRAYING THE CHOSEN ONE!!!! GRR!! ENDORSEMENTS ARE MEANINGLESS ANYWAY!!!!! (we will now pause to allow the janitorial team to clean up the vile and spittle).

[Rosa Luxemburg]

69. Clintons are angry?

[mathewsleep]

37. richardson is a good man, and a good democrat.

fuck you for this post.

[Umbram]

44. Thump thump. Thump thump. And on goes the Clinton bus, mowing down more Dems in its wake. (nt).

[whatchamacallit]

48. LOL!

[anonymous171]

55. Remember, the Clintons are the democratic party. So anyone who disagrees with them is undemocratic.

:sarcasm:

[apocalypsehow]

58. Heh - said it better than I ever could.

:thumbsup:

[Liberal Veteran]

56. Endorsements and caucuses and grass roots support are sexist and undemocratic!!!!!

[dana_b]

57. a politician's loyalties should not be to another politician. They should be to the people

that they represent, to the constitution, and to his/her own conscience. He's no Judas.

[stray cat]

73. very well stated! I wish it were true of more "public servants"

[dana_b]

80. really!! Maybe if they remembered that they wouldn't have to worry

so much about getting re-elected.

[stray cat]

59. Richardson may also be one of the most courageous endorsers

republicans and dems who followed W off the cliff may have been loyal to the president but overall disloyal to the american people. I'm not crazy about blind loyalty at the expense of doing what you think is right for your constituents...

[WillyT]

65. Whatever...

[Catherina]

66. What's this country coming too?

What's this country coming too? All these ungrateful Blacks and ungrateful Hispanics are running amuck!

Edit for :sarcasm:

[TexasLady]

75. Amuck amuck amuck!

[stray cat]

72. Richardson even had his own presidential bid against Hillary!

Also, he was a member of Bill's cabinet - I don't think Hillary did anything to help his career and isn't she the one running for president?

[dchill]

74. "Quoted material from - nytimes.com..." = readers' blog...

replies, right? Sheesh.

[Pisces]

76. Wow, this is the example you are setting for your daughter? If and when someone

disagrees with you, disown them with slander and burn the bridge of friendship. Some example you are setting. Hillary is like Bush in her loyalty clauses. I want independent thinkers that are out their doing whats best for the nation, not what's best for their buddies. You really need to reevaluate your morals and your guidance of your impressionable daughter. Such as their are 3 sides to every argument. I see that you are emotionally invested in the Clinton campaign, as I am emotionally invested in Obama, but be careful you don't turn into the Machiavellian thinker she has become.

[ima_sinnic]

77. wow--once again, hill is nobody without bill--it is truly BILLARY running

--you have totally defined hillary only in terms of her husband. Despite the fact that your logic sucks to begin with, that Richardson OWES anybody anything because of who his past employer was (clue card: it was bill, not hill), you say "bill received assurances from Richardson"--was hillary too vapid and spineless to talk to Richardson herself? she has to have bill "front" for her? and who's to believe bill anyway? was this just some cocktail chatter at some washington "insider's" club? did Richardson sign an oath of fealty to the duke and duchess of clinton?

this might come as a shock, but we are no longer impressed by cronyism. cronyism is soooo last millennium. In fact, until bushco pulled their little coup, we were under the impression that it had died out when communist Russia fell--you know, when the loyal party comrades rewarded each other with the best houses, most toilet paper, and most vacation days on the Red Sea.

if that is how billary is going to run their administration, by loyalty tests instead of by competence, then who wants them? by the way, what is your reward for your undying loyalty to their campaign? :rofl:

[Name removed]

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[LittleClarkie]

81. Not to long ago, someone decried how Murtha was being treated after his endorsement

And I pointed out that this sort of thing happened on both sides.

Those who endorse Hillary are slammed and bashed: Joe Wilson, Murtha etc.

Those who endorse Obama are slammed and bashed: Kerry, Kennedy, Olbermann, and now Richardson.

No one is a Judas. No one is less of a Dem. If they were good before on other issues (Olbermann) they are not now a hack.

Both sides need to stop the bullshit.

[kevinmc]

83. Don't Worry about Hillary ..... she hase a VP all lined up.

[CreekDog]

84. nice quoting technique

i'm afraid if you were quoting the bible you'd make the devil out to be the hero. :eyes:

[ClassWarrior]

85. LET IT SINK.

NGU.

[CreekDog]

106. i can't let posts this surreal sink

and i kinda think this post actually helps Obama and hurts Clinton. IMHO.

[mod mom]

87. Here's madfloridian's thread on this where I believe the concensus was Carville is a traitorous POS:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5203330&mesg_id=5203330

[CreekDog]

92. Do they have a DUzys for extremely stupid posts?

:think:

[myrna minx]

96. So it appears once you've encountered the Clinton's you're not afforded free will?

This is one of the silliest things I've read here. If Richardson is "Judas" does that make Hillary...Jesus? I guess I'll never see communion the same way again. :crazy:

[EmilyAnne]

99. Yes! Loyalty should trump principle!

You OWE her, damn it! You will be FOREVER indebted to her no matter what!

Good grief. If anything, losing an old ally is more of a sign of what is going on in her campaign behind the scenes than anything else.

This article is soaking in the juice of sour grapes.

Haven't we had enough of a president whose inner circle is comprised of those who owe or are owed favors? Enough of that.

[EmilyAnne]

102. "Enough with the speeches and the big rallies! Enough of the cronyism!....

Oh, now, wait. Let's keep the cronyism, OK?"

[Moochy]

104. "Carville hissed, over a breakfast of stolen reptile eggs"

[CreekDog]

105. OMG

:spray: