The backstabbers cry betrayal

[ProSense]

Saturday, March 22, 2008

Former Air Force Chief of Staff criticizes Clinton's "McCarthyite" tactics against Obama

by John Aravosis (DC) · 3/22/2008 11:13:00 AM ET · Link

AP would have you believe that General McPeak was just an Obama "aide." In fact, he's the former Chief of Staff for the entire Air Force. Even better, he's a Republican who served for nearly 2 years as Bill Clinton's Air Force Chief of Staff. He's also a co-chair of Obama's presidential campaign, but for AP to refer to him as an "Obama aide" hardly does the man justice. This isn't some kid we're talking about. And McPeak was none too pleased with Bill Clinton's comments last night suggesting that Obama wasn't "patriotic." Then again, the Associated Press did just publish a rather large and embarrassing article about how Hillary was often in the White House while Bill Clinton was asking Monica for oral sex, so it's understandable why the Clinton campaign is now trying to change the subject. I suspect that come the fall, were Hillary our nominee, the Republicans will be talking about Monica and Bill's sex life 24/7. And trying to call John McCain unpatriotic in order to stop the Monica sex talk just isn't going to cut it. The Clintons need to explain to the superdelegates and the country how they're going deal with the Monica problem come the fall. It's not a nice topic, but it's one that's going to come up, early and often, and as Hillary always reminds us, it's better to vet the scandals now so we can see how well our candidates will truly do against the Republicans. So, let's vet.

Ragin’ Carville Compares Richardson Endorsement to Biblical Betrayal

Saturday, March 22nd, 2008



Spirited Clinton adviser tells the New York Times that New Mexican governor’s backing Obama during Holy Week was “appropriate” and “ironic” because it was like Judas selling out Jesus.

The reaction of some of Mr. Clinton’s allies suggests that might have been a wise decision. “An act of betrayal,” said James Carville, an adviser to Mrs. Clinton and a friend of Mr. Clinton.

“Mr. Richardson’s endorsement came right around the anniversary of the day when Judas sold out for 30 pieces of silver, so I think the timing is appropriate, if ironic,” Mr. Carville said, referring to Holy Week.

Mr. Richardson said he called Mrs. Clinton late on Thursday to inform her that he would be appearing with Mr. Obama on Friday to lend his support.

“It was cordial, but a little heated,” Mr. Richardson said in an interview.

link

More on James Carville, the great Democratic...

The Clinton camp seems to believe that if Bill ever did anything for you, no matter how insignificant or opportunistic, you now owe Hillary. They're throwing Richardson under a bus in the same that Hillary, Bill and others in the Clinton camp have thrown Kerry under a bus, even though Kerry has been defending Bill against the RW since 1992:

There was a time when Bill Clinton's patriotism was challenged

Sen. John Kerry's closed-door impeachment statement Released into Congressional Record, February 12, 1999

The Clintons also threw Jeremy Wright, who they called on during the Lewinsky scandal, under a bus.

Video: Hillary's Wright strategy

Video: Bill Clinton's offensive patriotism remarks

Video: Wright in context: quoting a retired U.S. diplomat

The former diplomat: Edward Peck

[ekwhite]

1. God, James Carville is such a bitter man NT

[corkhead]

65. he hasn't been the same since he lost his job when "Tales from the Crypt" was cancelled

[Faygo Kid]

71. If you were married to Mary Matalin, you would be bitter, too.

They are both such monumental frauds, with no set core of beliefs. It's all just a game to both of them.

[TwilightGardener]

2. I'm sure Hillary's use of the word "Unamerican" on Thursday was

completely by chance, right?

[Ichingcarpenter]

3. Hunter S Thompson on Clintons - "He would stab his friends in the back."

Some people will tell you that Bill Clinton fits that description far better than Bush or Nixon -- and they are not entirely wrong. Nixon stabbed his Enemies in the back, but Clinton did it to his Friends. His lust to inflict Punishment surpassed even Nixon's, and he put more people in prison than Caligula. He had his own brother locked up & he refused to pardon his old friend Webb Hubbell. Richard Nixon was a criminally insane Monster -- Bill Clinton is a black-hearted Swine of a friend.

One of Clinton's most Ignoble acts as President was not to pardon an Innocent 22-year-old girl named Lisl Auman, who will now go to prison for the rest of her life without Parole for a crime she was never even Accused of committing. It is a long, ugly story & we don't have time or space for it now -- but you can get the gist of it from Lisl.com

[Az_lefty]

57. Hunter was the man...RIP my friend.

[blondie58]

72. having grown up in CO, I remember that story well

and it seems that she just made the poor choice in friends, and they pinned the blame all on her. So very sad.

[blm]

4. TeamClinton backstabbed Kerry throughout the 2003-4 campaign and continued afterwards

and still haven't stopped since he turned over his national network to the Obama campaign -

Clintons' backstabbing of Kerry was noted by historian Douglas Brinkley in April2004.
http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354

Bill timed his book tour to use it to DEFEND BUSH on his Iraq war decisions for 3 weeks in 2004.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/

Carville sabotaged Ohio Demn voters on election night.
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward


Hillary validated Bush and McCain's lie against Kerry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

[Diane R]

6. And I firmly believe he would have contested Ohio if Clintons hadn't been kneecapping him.

[blm]

7. Clintons had their goons in positions to keep it from happening - McAuliffe and Carville.

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[Window]

9. Yep. Kerry would have made a fine 2-term president, which would have spoiled Hillary's plans.

[ORDem]

27. Kick!!

:kick:

[Rageneau]

23. I looked at all of your links and there's NOTHING bad about the Clintons in them.

You have to be pretty paranoid to see anything nefarious in any of these links.

In the first, no specifics are cited. Brinkley simply accuses the Clintons of having stabbed Kerry in the back without saying how, where, when, why, or how many times. The accusation is all there is, without an milligram of evidence for it. Pure unsubstantiated slander, hence ignorable.

In the second, from 2004, Big Dog is trying not to unnecessarily criticize Bush, and thus provoke a loss of confidence in the President during an overseas conflict that was still in the air. He wasn't "defending" Bush; he was being "ex-presidential." All he said was he 'understood' why Smirk acted, but that he, himself, would not have acted in the same way. What's the problem with that?

In the third, the whole story is based on something somebody thinks he heard somebody say about how Carville got Matlin to call Cheney to call Blackwell in Ohio and do something -- but the story doesn't say who or what or anything that can be authenticated.

And the fourth, the video clip, shows nothing but Hillary saying that Kerry's joke (those who flunk are in Iraq) was "inappropriate, but that we need to focus on more important things." Which was EXACTLY what I thought when I first heard the story, along with 'what an obvious anti-democratic party concoction of the RW media.'

IOW, as usual, people who say bad things about the Clintons reveal themselves to be guilty of much darker deeds than any the Clintons are charged with. They reveal themselves to be slanderers, liars, common scolds, rumor-mongers, underminers, deceivers, character assassins, and maleable, malicious malingers.

[ProSense]

24. So you're going to spin the info at the links, ignore everything in the OP and the thread to claim

the Clintons are victims?

The Clintons lie with ease. They and everyone around them are arrogant and petty! It's amazing that anyone can support a President and former First Lady turned Senator who mismanaged a campaign so badly that they lost a more than 30-point advantage in the polls and presumed inevitability. When faced with the reality of losing, instead of fighting back hard on the issues and on their own merits or bowing out gracefully, they decided to engage in dirty divisive politics.

That's their own fault, not the media's and not their critics.

[blm]

25. Baloney - Brinkley is a CREDIBLE and NOTED historian not a gossip.

And Clinton himself BOASTS of DEFENDING BUSH REPEATEDLY from criticisms of the left.

And Woodward WITNESSED the Carville-Matalin phonecall HIMSELF and wrote of it.

You need to PRETEND and SPIN just to remain a DEVOTEE to the backstabbing Clintons.

[Tatiana]

44. I firmly believe Kerry would have (rightfully) contested Ohio.

They cut him down before he could ever pull together the necessities to mount the challenge.

[Bake]

49. Really? Looks to me like he folded (like a cheap suit) before anything was over.

Kerry was a cheap-ass chickenshit windsurfing, latte-sipping piece of shit who sold us all out. Blaming it on the Clintons is just so much more b.s. Kerry needs to lose his Senate seat to a REAL Democrat, who remembers who capaigned for him and supported him.

God, sometimes Democrats really suck.

Bake

[ProSense]

51. "cheap-ass chickenshit windsurfing, latte-sipping piece of shit who...Blaming it on the Clintons"

Bitter much?

I am so glad Kerry endorsed Obama. The Clintons can stew in the muck they created.

[Bake]

53. You're damn right I'm bitter.

I had a ton of personal energy (to say nothing of money) invested in Kerry's campaign. He let me down big-time, and all of the Democratic Party. Fucking quitter. You're damn right I'm bitter. Kerry can kiss my great big entire ass, and you can too. I hope he loses his seat to a REAL Democrat.

Bake

[ProSense]

55. Get over it. This isn't 2004. Hillary is losing, that may be the source of your anger. Kerry was

right about Obama. Get used to it.

[Bake]

56. "Get over it." "Get used to it."

Sounds like what the freepers told us in 2000 and 2004.

I'm not getting over anything. Funny how the O-bots (like you) sound more like freepers than Democrats. Very funny indeed.

Bake

[ProSense]

58. None of that changes two facts relevant to now:

1) Kerry endorsed Obama, not Hillary.

2) Hillary is losing.

[Bake]

60. Yes, that piece of shit Kerry did endorse Obama.

Yes, I said piece of shit. And he's fucking DEAD to me. I hope he loses his seat and has to go home to one of his ten luxury homes that his heiress wife bought for him.

As for Hillary losing, yes, she is behind at the moment, but it ain't over yet. Neither candidate gets to 2025 without the superdelegates.

Bake

[ProSense]

61. "As for Hillary losing, yes, she is behind at the moment" No, Hillary can't win! n/t

[Name removed]

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Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[politicasista]

81. Wow. Kerry isn't even running and he still gets attacked here

Go figure.

[blm]

68. Question for you: What stalled this nation on its path to fascism in the 80s and 90s?

.

[zonmoy]

73. problem is that followers of both major candidates and the candidates themselves

sound way too much like freepers rather than what democrats should sound like.

[blm]

66. Why don't you sue Woodward for LYING about Carville then? And for fun, why don't YOU

try and name ONE lawmaker in DC who uncovered and investigated more government corruption than John Kerry did.

And for further fum, try and name ONE DEmocrat who covered UP more of that same government corruption for BushInc than Bill Clinton did throughout the 90s.

Some of you really need to spend time with the National Security Archives instead of on Clinton fanclub sites.

[Mooney]

76. Oh god he drinks LATTE!!!

He windsurfs! Oh god! Why? Why? If only he drank mochacinnos and went to spin classes we would never have had this problem... whatever it is.

[blm]

67. Terry McAuliffe's DNC told him they would not join a fight with no legal evidence knowing

full well that McAuliffe's refusal for years to secure the election process assured there would be no legal evidence to take to court to delay a concession.

[JVS]

5. STONEWALL JACKSON Post?

:wow:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlu7wjPEK4k

[CitizenLeft]

16. what a shadow of himself he is...

What a disappointment.

[Window]

8. K/R.

:kick:

[Swamp Rat]

10. James Carville isn't human.

[Ichingcarpenter]

11. He's Gollum

[Bigleaf]

29. The resemblance is uncanny. Wow!

[ProSense]

30. Yikes! n/t

[meow mix]

40. rofl!! nice

post of the week ty at least for this LOTR nerd lol

[cascadiance]

70. a few more... And a film recommendation to understand how Carville works...

The precious! He wants to have his precious!

In a way, I'm glad that Carville has come out the way he has. When Obama gets the nomination, and other forces are made more a part of his campaign than the Carville lead group of cronies, the Democratic Party will be better in that instance.

For those who still feel that Carville is a "valuable" part of the party, try and rent out and watch the following DVD:



"Our Brand is Crisis"

http://www.dvdpacific.com/item.asp?ID=740009

and see how Carville's brand of "democracy" is not what we need...

[ProSense]

84. That's scary! n/t

[L0oniX]

75. LMAO

[LittleClarkie]

21. If I ever trusted the man, the way he treated Dean would have killed it right there

He's only pissed when someone wins and he's not in on it to collect a consultant fee.

It is not lost on me that Obama is using Dean's strategy, complete with feeding info to the DNC for their voter rolls, and Hillary is using the "only campaign really hard in the states you think you can win" strategy, and is using an outside source for her Dem voter info, and not feeding anything back to the DNC.

The Dem Party will atrophy again if the Clinton's get in. Local organizers will be left on their own.

[ProSense]

12. Terry McAwful and his "What a Party" book tour

Sean Hannity


Bill O'Reilly



President Clinton, Mary Matalin, and Ed Gillespie at the
Las Vegas book party.

link

[blm]

15. Let's not forget Bill telling Rove what an incredible job he did in 2004.

Yeah - and I'm sure Rove was thanking Hillary2008 for all their help throughout 2003-4, too.

[Ichingcarpenter]

19. Bubba's is doing the reach around with Matlin

and she is doing the same.



:grr: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[blm]

28. For years some of us have been saying they were working together and the records

all bear that out. But, man, we took the hits here at DU from those who didn't want to believe it even possible.

Now that everyone has seen it played out in this primary race the lengths they will go through to defeat other Dems OPENLY, it is not so hard to imagine any more what they were doing behind the scenes to Gore and Kerry.

[phrigndumass]

13. Breaking: Carville equates Senator Clinton to Jesus

How's that for ego?

:crazy:

[Medusa]

37. HE SAID WHAT??????????????

Oh that trumps Wright any day of the week.

[krkaufman]

42. So true! Good observation.... Hypebolic much, James?

He's such a ridiculous figure. The Democratic Party will be so much better off when he isn't viewed as an major player in the party.

[IDemo]

50. Her image appeared in my toast this morning

There have been Hillarians arriving at my house all day to look at it.

[me b zola]

69. I don't know if you should stick a fork in it...

...or drive a stake through it.

[SunsetDreams]

14. Wait!!!

I thought they said his endorsement of Barack didn't matter, it wouldn't mean anything. LOL

Just goes to show you, it was a blow after all.

[ProSense]

17. That's the Clintons' brand of reverse psychology. Around the time Kerry was eloquently

advocating Obama's position on the issues (the event aired on C-SPAN right after a program featuring Bill, who looked like a washed up politician), Hillary's Texas campaign coordinator was still expressing bitterness about Kerry's endorsement, referring to it as chicken poop!



edited punctuation

[ima_sinnic]

18. DLCers/Hillaryites obviously think cronyism is a good thing --

they have no desire whatsoever for change. Just more evidence that Hillary is all for the status quo, "good ole boy" politics as usual. Well, it benefits their wallets, so no wonder the idea of change threatens them. They will lose all their perks and favors if Obama gets in. :nopity:
It is time for government based on competence, not on back room favors and loyalty tests.

[Oilwellian]

45. yes, and....

(sniff) she just doesn't want it to come to an end.

[LittleClarkie]

20. You know, I was looking at this post without seeing who had written it. But as soon as I realized

how much damn info there was in it, and that I was thinking about bookmarking it, I realized it could only have been written by one person.

Thanks for loading up your post with so much good info as usual Prosense.

K & R

[ProSense]

22. Hillary's spokeman

Leading Obama Adviser Attacks Ex-President for Remarks

<...>

In response to reporters in Oregon on Friday, General McPeak compared the former president to Senator Joseph R. McCarthy, who aggressively pursued those he believed to be communists in the 1950s. “I was going to college when Joe McCarthy was accusing good Americans of being traitors, so I’ve had enough of it,” General McPeak said.

The bitter exchange between the surrogates for Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama highlighted the rising tensions between the two Democratic presidential candidates in their prolonged fight for the party’s nomination.

“To liken these comments to McCarthyism is absurd,” said Phil Singer, a Clinton campaign spokesman. He said General McPeak was misinterpreting the remarks, suggesting it was an intentional effort to divert attention from a controversy involving inflammatory statements by Mr. Obama’s former pastor.

Never mind the NYT's biased headline: "attacks"?

Singer is continuing to push the smear against Wright.

[ProSense]

32. "You have questioned my patriotism."

CLINTON: Ross gave a good answer but I've got to respond directly to Mr. Bush. You have questioned my patriotism.

BUSH: (Inaudible).

CLINTON: You even brought some right-wing congressman into the White House to plot how to attack me for going to Russia in 1969-70, when over 50,000 other Americans did. Now, I honor your service in World War II, I honor Mr. Perot's service in uniform and the service of every man and woman who ever served, including Admiral Crowe, who was your Chairman of the joint Chiefs and who's supporting me. But when Joe McCarthy went around this country attacking people's patriotism he was wrong. He was wrong. And a senator from Connecticut stood up to him named Prescott Bush. Your father was right to stand up to Joe McCarthy, you were wrong to attack my patriotism. I was opposed to the war but I loved my country and we need a president who will bring this country together, not divide it. We've had enough division. I want to lead a unified country.

link

Bill 1992, meet Bill 2008!

[ProSense]

80. Terry McAwful sees dollar signs

Outrage = Money

[ProSense]

26. When the media lies

Reverend Wright Sets the Paper of Record Straight

[Johnny__Motown]

31. "Like Judas Selling Out Jesus"? OMG, I think we have settled which side is really the CULT.

Carville thinks that Hillary is Christ..... (or at least Christ like)



Carville is now on my shit list, I did like the guy and could respect that he was sticking to his candidate. This changes things. He is the one betraying our party and should be called on it.

[Cheap_Trick]

52. guess we know what the "H" in Jesus H Christ stands for now..

:rofl:

[BumRushDaShow]

33. K&R

:kick:

[Scurrilous]

34. K & R

Great post! :thumbsup:

[Danger Mouse]

35. Carville: As ugly on the outside as he is on the inside.

:puke:
K and R as usual, ProSense.

[ProSense]

78. Agree. Thanks! n/t

[grantcart]

36. k and r

[sueragingroz]

38. scared much?

you put a lot of effort into that post....

[ProSense]

41. No, watching Hillary implode is painful. n/t

[ruggerson]

39. Are you going to go into withdrawal after this nominating season is over

or just seamlessly transition to a new obsession with John McCain?

[ProSense]

43. What do you think?

Whatever you think, that's your answer because the facts don't seem to matter much to you.

[ruggerson]

46. link?

[ProSense]

47. What do you want a link to: your thought processes? n/t

[ruggerson]

48. Somehow I'm shocked you can't

[fascisthunter]

54. Carville, the Phony DLC Shill (nt)

[tabasco]

59. I am looking forward to the end of the Clinton dynasty in the Democratic party.

They have been corrupted with wealth and power.

The Clinton DLC'ers have made the Democratic party little more than a shadow of the republican party.

James Carville is a perfect example of a dirty, rotten corrupt DINO.

[stillcool]

63. more nothing/no one 'matters'

except for the Clinton's.

[Tatiana]

64. Recommended. n/t

[bvar22]

74. In his "Off Time"...

...James Carville travels to South America to help the Bush Administration overthrow Democratically Elected governments, and install White Corporate Imperial Dictatorships.

"As the Washington Post’s Scott Wilson reported, prominent members of the Venezuelan opposition traveled to Washington in January 2003 and began consulting informally with Democratic Party strategist James Carville. Soon thereafter, the Democratic Party polling firm Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research (GQR)—the company of Carville’s associate and Clintonite pollster Stanley Greenberg—popped up in Venezuela working on behalf of the opposition."

http://www.narconews.com/Issue33/article1007.html



"What Carville didn’t say was that he worked in Venezuela as an advisor to Venezuelan opposition groups leading an economically devastating strike by managers of the national oil company in an effort to destabilize the government (Washington Post, 1/20/03)."

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3009

Wait a minute....installing white, corporate governments in South America..?
Thats what Carville does HERE!

[azmouse]

77. kick

[ProSense]

79. Beast speaks

Carville Stands By Judas Statement, Says Quote Had “Desired Intent”

Monday, March 24th, 2008



Clinton supporter tells the New York Times that he was quoted accurately, will not
apologize, disassociate himself from the campaign, for comment comparing Richardson’s
endorsement to the betrayal of Judas to Jesus.

Also tells CNN’s “The Situation Room” it was “his own personal view” that Richardson
betrayed the Clintons with his endorsement, thought it was an “egregious act” and wanted
to use strong metaphor to make his point.

[ProSense]

82. Clinton: Wright 'would not have been my pastor'

Clinton: Wright 'would not have been my pastor'

By Mike Wereschagin and David M. Brown
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Tuesday, March 25, 2008

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, in a wide-ranging interview today with Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reporters and editors, said she would have left her church if her pastor made the sort of inflammatory remarks Sen. Barack Obama's former pastor made.
"He would not have been my pastor," Clinton said. "You don't choose your family, but you choose what church you want to attend."

Obama's lead in national polls has slipped since clips of the retired Rev. Jeremiah Wright began being played on national news programs. The uproar prompted Obama to give a wide-ranging speech on race in America a week ago. The Clinton campaign has refrained from getting involved in the controversy, but Clinton herself, responding to a question, denounced what she said was "hate speech."

"You know, I spoke out against Don Imus (who was fired from his radio and television shows after making racially insensitive remarks), saying that hate speech was unacceptable in any setting, and I believe that," Clinton said. "I just think you have to speak out against that. You certainly have to do that, if not explicitly, then implicitly by getting up and moving."

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I guess she hasn't heard the news about the media's distortion of Wright's sermon! Worse, she is in effect calling Rev. Wright a racist!

One thing about being Hillary critic, she makes it easy!


Oh, this is the Clinton standard: "any port in a storm..."

[ProSense]

83. This may explain Hillary's latest comment.

Obama has narrowed her PA lead to 10 points, and there appears to be no impact from the phony Wright controversy

Eighty-seven percent (87%) of Likely Democratic Primary voters in Pennsylvania have read, seen, or heard about comments made by Jeremiah Wright, Obama’s former Pastor. Nearly half, 47%, say it has no impact on their vote. Fifteen percent (15%) say Wright’s comments make them more likely to vote for Obama while 36% say the opposite.

Overall, 38% are somewhat or very concerned about Obama’s relationship with Wright. That figure includes 62% of Clinton supporters, 11% of Obama voters, and 36% of those who are undecided.

That's 72% who say it doesn't matter! The rest are mostly Hillary supporters.

[ProSense]

85. Superdelegates and voters see this. n/t

[ProSense]

86. Close your eyes pooky...

Disloyalty That Merits An Insult

By James Carville
Saturday, March 29, 2008; A15

<...>

So, when asked on Good Friday about Richardson's rejection of the Clintons, the metaphor was too good to pass by. I compared Richardson to Judas Iscariot. (And Matthew Dowd is right: Had it been the Fourth of July, I probably would have called him Benedict Arnold.)

I believed that Richardson's appointments in Bill Clinton's administration and his longtime personal relationship with both Clintons, combined with his numerous assurances to the Clintons and their supporters that he would never endorse any of Sen. Hillary Clinton's opponents, merited a strong response.

I was fully aware of what kind of response calling someone a Judas would evoke.

<...>

Was it a desperate gambit for attention? Was I just trying to prove my point that both Samantha Power's resignation from the Obama campaign for calling Sen. Clinton a monster and the Obama campaign hysterically promoting Geraldine Ferraro's misguided statements were equally silly and superficial?

<...>

Fully aware of this supercharged environment in which the slightest slight is elevated to the most egregious insult, I waded in -- okay, dove in -- by demonstrating what constitutes a real insult.

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What a fucking asshole!

[ProSense]

87. McPeak Responds To His Critics

McPeak Responds To His Critics:

I am a long-time admirer (and think myself a friend) of Israel. In the early 1970s, I played a key role in getting advanced weaponry released to the Israeli Air Force-- capabilities it later put to active use. During that period, I made many official visits to Israel and established close relationships there. These contacts turned out to be useful during Operation Desert Storm, when, as chief of staff of the U.S. Air Force, I worked with my Israeli counterparts to help defend Israel from Iraqi Scud missile attacks.

I was a vocal opponent of the George W. Bush Administration's decision to invade Iraq, a strategic blunder made worse by slapdash execution. As we have seen, this star-crossed action took our eye off the ball in Afghanistan, breathed new life into a moribund al Qaeda, and enhanced Iranian influence in this critical region-- all outcomes which damaged both the United States and our ally Israel.

It is my view and hope that Israel will have our continued support. I wish it every success. Of course, what Israel regards as success is up to it to decide. But for friends like me, "success" means a secure Israel at peace with neighbors who recognize and respect its existence. Even so, we should maintain our special relationship and help Israel keep its qualitative military edge.

[ProSense]

88. Interesting:

NC-Sen: Jim Neal stuns James Carville into silence

[JNelson6563]

89. Indeed!

:-)