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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:50 PM
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Obama's 3 new ads: racial balance?
Edited on Sat Mar-22-08 12:53 PM by flowomo
I am risking a topic here that could easily degenerate into a mudsling -- but it is not intended that way.
I was greatly impressed by Obama's speech on race -- actually, I am teaching a college public speaking class right now and took time out from our busy syllabus to tell my students at length that I believed it was a historic speech that their children will be asked to hear and study, and urged them to watch it in full.

I took that speech as an invitation to a frank and unafraid discussion about race matters in America -- and in that spirit, I raise this point:

I just watched Obama's 3 new ads for Pennsylvania (http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/index.html) and was struck by the general absence of black facess in them. Perhaps I missed something, but I believe that every featured person in the ads, outside Obama himself, is white. A few non-whites are seen in crowd or group shots, but only whites speak, and Obama speaks directly only to whites.

Perhaps this makes sense in Pennsylvania as a political matter -- and I don't begrudge any candidate the decision to shape a message or a commercial to an audience. That's politics.

But I am wondering how others see this? Was this intentional and how should it be taken?
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virtualobserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:55 PM
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1. he seems to have one black guy in every ad.........
i see a pattern here.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:55 PM
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2. It probably was intentional, although I don't think Obama himself
asked the producers to do that.

I think his advisers are probably behind it... they didn't want him to do the "race speech," and they want to reinforce Obama's appeal to all Americans.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:56 PM
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3. It's an attempt to show that he can appeal not only black Americans.
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acrosstheuniverse Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:57 PM
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4. Insider Online: Obama’s speech meets unsympathetic ears with Americans
http://www.southernpoliticalreport.com/storylink_320_294.aspx


Obama’s speech meets unsympathetic ears with Americans
By Gary Reese
Florida Insider

March 20, 2008 — Barack Obama’s speech about race on Tuesday impressed many who witnessed it or read it. But most of America did neither, and many of them -- white and black -- were less persuaded of the speech’s capacity to heal racial wounds, or to put the issue of race behind Obama as he continues his quest for the White House.

That’s according to a new poll by InsiderAdvantage/Majority Opinion.

First, we screened poll respondents to find those who were aware that Obama’s pastor was in the news. A startling 82% knew about Obama’s speech, and about the controversy surrounding the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Of those who knew about the controversy and the speech, we asked, “Taking all this into account, are you more or less likely to support Obama for president?”

Less likely (52%)
More likely (19%)
About the same (27%)
No opinion (2%)

The poll was conducted March 19 among 1,051 Americans. After filtering out those not aware of Rev. Wright and Obama’s speech about him, the sample is 807, for a margin of error of plus or minus 3.2%. The data have been weighted for age, race, gender and partisan affiliation.

It’s easy to read too much into this poll. In the long-term, Obama’s speech about the racially insensitive political and social views of Rev. Wright may come to its final resting place in history books for being a signal moment in America’s tortured story of race relations. But in the short-attention-span theatre of a heated presidential race, it may amount to little more than a loud blip in an ever-fluxing news cycle.

Even so, the poll displays no numbers flattering to Obama. Most startling is that blacks by 56% to 31% said the speech made them less likely to vote for him. That may be because Obama had some gutsy perspectives on blacks as well as on whites, and black observers of the speech may have been annoyed. But it’s hard to imagine that there’s going to be an appreciable retreat by blacks from the Obama column.

Democrats disapproved 48% to 28%, which looks sobering for Obama on first glance, but might portend otherwise. If blacks irritated by Obama’s remarks will return to the fold, than impressing whites is probably a more vital read on the numbers. And Democratic whites were more sympathetic with the speech’s message than black ones.

The disturbing numbers for Obama are the independent voters. By 56% to 13%, they said they’re less likely to vote for him because of the speech.

“In my weekly Creators Syndicate column that I penned just hours before this poll, I wrote that I had no idea how the country would react to the Obama speech,” said Matt Towery, CEO of InsiderAdvantage.

“And I’m always wary of polling race. People aren’t always completely forthcoming on such a touchy subject.

“But there’s no way around the numbers as they read all across the board. They are consistent in every demographic we measured. Most people didn’t have a gut positive reaction to Obama’s speech,” he said.

“Doubtless many formed their opinions not on the speech itself, but on reports of it filtered through their favorite news media outlets. So intended or unintended biases of media may have trickled down to many poll respondents.

“It’s important to note, however, that we carefully crafted the poll’s questions. We never mentioned the words ‘race’ or ‘controversy,’ or explained what all the fuss was about. Our first question was simply, ‘Are you aware of the situation regarding Sen. Barack Obama’s church pastor and the past public remarks he has made?’

“So there was a deliberate effort not to ‘push poll’ respondents, or to influence their answers in any way,” Towery said. “Also note that only one out of 50 poll respondents had no opinion.”

The results of the poll, while not reassuring to Obama, can be probably be overcome as other events unfold. Already the news cycle is turning to the fifth anniversary of the Iraq invasion.

Still, the charismatic Democratic presidential frontrunner likely has created a genuine problem for himself: In order to fizzle the flame that Rev. Wright ignited with his passionate, public racism, Obama had to forfeit the promise implicit in this campaign to date; that of moving beyond and above racialist rhetoric in American politics.

On Tuesday, he changed course and said essentially the opposite: That we all need to face our unpleasant history. His words mirrored a rhetorical and policy mantra that many black public figures of the last generation have tried to make mainstream.

In a year of great unease over foreign wars and a wilting economy, kicking the (lightly) sleeping dog of race in America may have been a mistake, unavoidable though it may have been.
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:03 PM
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11. Really?
According to MSNBC, 69% loved it.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 02:26 PM
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21. That's like saying..Wow! 80% of Fox viewers like McCain.
Do you not realize that MSNBC is TOO bias a channel to get an accurate poll?
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Citizen Kang Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 02:30 PM
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22. Southern Political Report????
Edited on Sat Mar-22-08 02:33 PM by Citizen Kang
Is your source???


edit: less flaming

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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 03:05 PM
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24. An ad doesn't change the fact he is at 23% with PA whites and this is before his racist comment
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:57 PM
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5. Are these specifically geared towards Pennsylvania? Have they run
in other states? Have they just been recently produced, like within the last week? I don't know if it means anything, but if we knew this, one could have suspicions as to what they're trying to do.
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:59 PM
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8. I don't know... but what I read is that they are "new"...
made for Pennsylvania. I am sure there is more information about them but I don't have it now.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:14 PM
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19. I would assume that...if they're new...he'd be trying to play the uniter
card due to the large middle-class, white population--gear it towards your audience. It's what all politicians do, but after the whole Wright dust-up, it seems a little suspect.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:58 PM
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6. To some in White America
His face and presence in the AD may appear to many as if they are seeing several Blacks.

He is the featured person and everyone else is back drop. I have seen many people sitting behind him at Rallies and maybe one or two Blacks.

I think it will certainly be OK with my AA community ~ we are so delighted to see Obama make it to Philadelphia that his will be the only face we see. :)

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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:58 PM
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7. Maybe he's trying to connect with a certain group of people?
Edited on Sat Mar-22-08 01:00 PM by woolldog
In advertising when you're trying to do that you usually include them in the commercial.

Do you really think it's fair to scrutinize EVERYTHING Obama does through a racial lens. I mean, have you scrutinized Clinton's commercials for just the appropriate racial balance? How about McCains? It just seems like Obama can't win with some people. Everything he does is scrutinized through a racial lens and I'm tired of it frankly.
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:02 PM
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10. you are angry that I asked?
That was my point about the greatness of Obama's speech: it asks us to talk about racial issues without being fearful of being bashed for it. I am looking for thoughts on this -- that is all.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:05 PM
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13. I am mildly annoyed by it.
Because you're imposing standards and a certain type of scrutiny on him that no other candidate has had to live up to.
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:06 PM
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14. I thought he had invited all of us to do that in his speech....
am I wrong?
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:08 PM
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16. Yes. you're wrong.
I'm sick of people like you.
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:10 PM
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17. should I send you our Obama yard signs and bumper stickers?
you don't seem to think I deserve to have them.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:20 PM
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20. I don't care who you support
Edited on Sat Mar-22-08 01:21 PM by woolldog
Do you think it's easy to walk the racial tightrope he has to walk with the peanut gallery scrutinizing everything from whether he's black enough to the racial composition of his commercials. Obstacles that no other candidate has. You're part of the problem as you're feeding into that discourse.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:00 PM
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9. Intentional He's targeting whites. He's not targeting black voters. nt
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:04 PM
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12. I think that's probably right....
I'm just not sure what I think about it. It seems outside the spirit of the speech. It may be necessary, but I wish that wasn't so.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:12 PM
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18. I think it's absolutely necessary. McCain and Clinton can include loads of racial minorities
Edited on Sat Mar-22-08 01:15 PM by Truth Hurts A Lot
in their ads... It would help them with minorities, and whites would just assume they are pandering or trying to appear balanced.

However, if Obama does that, he will be viewed as someone who is running to help blacks only. It's not fair, but due to lingering stereotypes, he has to distance himself from appearing pro-black.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 02:34 PM
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23. It's basically the white votes that he's losing. He knows he'll eventually
get all the black vote back. He's trying to show that Whites support him by surrounding him with white supporters. It was definitely intentional and
NO one should be angry or criticize him for doing so. That's called good politics folks!
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:08 PM
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15. I don't see anything in these
Edited on Sat Mar-22-08 01:08 PM by SunsetDreams
clips that would be racially based. I think you're reaching.

I thought they were very good. On the first view of them, I paid attention to the message, which was the intent anyway.

The second view of them, I tried to scrutinize for any evidence as to what you suggest, and I fail to see it.

I think people portrayed in the videos genuinely just plain liked Barack, regardless of what color they were.
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