Obama’s speech meets unsympathetic ears with Americans

[rodeodance]

http://www.southernpoliticalreport.com/sto...nk_320_294.aspx


Obama’s speech meets unsympathetic ears with Americans
By Gary Reese
Florida Insider

March 20, 2008 — Barack Obama’s speech about race on Tuesday impressed many who witnessed it or read it. But most of America did neither, and many of them -- white and black -- were less persuaded of the speech’s capacity to heal racial wounds, or to put the issue of race behind Obama as he continues his quest for the White House.

That’s according to a new poll by InsiderAdvantage/Majority Opinion.

First, we screened poll respondents to find those who were aware that Obama’s pastor was in the news. A startling 82% knew about Obama’s speech, and about the controversy surrounding the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Of those who knew about the controversy and the speech, we asked, “Taking all this into account, are you more or less likely to support Obama for president?”

Less likely (52%)
More likely (19%)
About the same (27%)
No opinion (2%)
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Even so, the poll displays no numbers flattering to Obama. Most startling is that blacks by 56% to 31% said the speech made them less likely to vote for him. That may be because Obama had some gutsy perspectives on blacks as well as on whites, and black observers of the speech may have been annoyed. But it’s hard to imagine that there’s going to be an appreciable retreat by blacks from the Obama column.
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Democrats disapproved 48% to 28%, which looks sobering for Obama on first glance, but might portend otherwise. If blacks irritated by Obama’s remarks will return to the fold, than impressing whites is probably a more vital read on the numbers. And Democratic whites were more sympathetic with the speech’s message than black ones.

The disturbing numbers for Obama are the independent voters. By 56% to 13%, they said they’re less likely to vote for him because of the speech.
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“But there’s no way around the numbers as they read all across the board. They are consistent in every demographic we measured. Most people didn’t have a gut positive reaction to Obama’s speech,” he said.

[jefferson_dem]

1. Two day old poll from a repug-friendly, unreliable polling firm.

Thanks anyway.

[Catherina]

16. Be kind to the losers. It's all they have

:rofl:

[rodeodance]

25. But who are the losers?

Catherina Donating Member (704 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Mar-22-08 02:40 PM
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16. Be kind to the losers. It's all they have

[Catherina]

43. Cut and paste parrots for one n/t

[rodeodance]

46. any post in particular -related to this thread?

Cut and paste parrots for one n/t
Posted by Catherina

[JoFerret]

44. Spread the hope

not the hate.
(It's a better way to win hearts and minds)

[Catherina]

52. I'm not trying to win your hearts and minds

AFAIC people who can support a clusterbomb candidate who's on board for wars in the ME have neither heart nor mind and the Democratic party is better off without them. It would go a long way to help get rid of politicians who vote for those things because they have a few token supporters who are for that.

Sorry if the brutal truth offends you.

[JoFerret]

56. When was it I dropped that cluster bomb?

Sorry - it seems to have escaped my memory.

Where are you on bombing Pakistan by the way? And that Afghani thingy.

And I do hope you enjoy the bellicose positions that candidate Obama will adopt in the coming months.
Spread the hope not the simple minded platitudes and wishful thinking. All this reaching out has a really powerful unifying feel to it. Ah! Purity..............

[Straight Shooter]

75. Strikes in Pakistan whether Pakistan agrees to it or not, says Obama.

If it's in the interest of the U.S., as in getting Osama or whatever the alleged threat of the day is, I suppose.

You don't hear much about that, for some reason. :shrug:

Edit to add info:

Pakistan criticizes Obama for 'irresponsible' statement on military strikes
The Associated Press
Published: August 3, 2007

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan: Pakistani officials called Democratic U.S. presidential hopeful Barack Obama irresponsible for saying that, if elected, he might order unilateral military strikes in Pakistan against al-Qaida.

Hundreds chanted anti-U.S. slogans and burned an American flag in the street to protest the remark.

Obama's comment turned up the heat on already simmering anger among Pakistanis about the issue, after senior Bush administration officials said last week they too would consider such strikes if intelligence warranted them.


http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/08/03/asia/AS-GEN-Pakistan-US-Obama.php

[JoFerret]

81. Another sore winner

.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

2. CBS Poll: Good Reviews For Obama Speech 3/21

CBS) Sen. Barack Obama's speech on race this week, in which he discussed his relationship with Rev. Jeremiah Wright, his controversial longtime minister, has received largely positive reviews, according to a new CBS News poll.

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Sixty-nine percent of voters who have heard or read about Obama’s speech say he did a good job addressing the issue of race relations, and 63 percent of voters following the events say they agree with Obama's views on race relations. Seventy-one percent say he did a good job explaining his relationship with Wright.

Nearly a quarter of Democrats say the events have made them more likely to back Obama, while a similar number of Republicans say they are now less likely to do so. Three in four independents say the events make no difference, and the remainder are nearly evenly split between those more likely to support him and those less likely to do so.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/21/opinion/polls/main3958295.shtml?source=mostpop_story

[rodeodance]

4. CBS poll was March 15-18: this poll is march 19

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[rodeodance]

47. Personal Attacks are not allowed on DU

[papau]

35. single day poll taken on March 19 per survey - link below

http://www.southernpoliticalreport.com/storylink_320_294.aspx

Of those who knew about the controversy and the speech, we asked, “Taking all this into account, are you more or less likely to support Obama for president?”

Less likely (52%)
More likely (19%)
About the same (27%)
No opinion (2%)

The poll was conducted March 19 among 1,051 Americans. After filtering out those not aware of Rev. Wright and Obama’s speech about him, the sample is 807, for a margin of error of plus or minus 3.2%. The data have been weighted for age, race, gender and partisan affiliation.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

39. The reference is in regards to the poll I posted. Learn to read.

"Interviews were conducted among 542 registered voters by telephone on March 20, 2008. These respondents were originally interviewed in a CBS News Poll conducted March 15 - 18, 2008. The error due to sampling for results based on the entire sample could be plus or minus four percentage points."

Bottom of the article... http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/21/opinion/polls/main3958295.shtml?source=mostpop_story

[rodeodance]

37. You are right. I can see now where I go those numbers from-I finally got the pdf

file open. These people were re-interviewed from these dates.
Sorry, my mistake.

But I am not an idiot, nor did I intentionally lie. It was a mistake.
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from the file:
For this poll, CBS News re-interviewed voters who were first surveyed
between March 15th and 18th, 2008, in the midst of the Wright controversy and
mostly before Obama’s speech on race, to gauge their reactions to Tuesday’s
speech and the continuing controversy over Wright’s comments.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

48. This is a false statement!

"Interviews were conducted among 542 registered voters by telephone on March 20, 2008."

See the citation at the end of the article! http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/21/opinion/polls/main3958295.shtml?source=mostpop_story

[rodeodance]

51. I already corrected my error. See my post.

[rodeodance]

12. CBS only polled 542 voters. while this one over a 1000

[Joe the Revelator]

34. So apparently you know nothing about statistics

Not surprising.

[papau]

40. CBS was 4.0 MOE while InsiderAdvantage MOE was 3.2 - with a tighter sieve

[rodeodance]

42. I know enoughto say that 2x the sample size is a good thing. You said nothing but a personal insult.

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34. So apparently you know nothing about statistics

Not surprising.

[Speck Tater]

3. Newton's law of polls.

For every poll there is another equal and opposite poll.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

6. love your Penn-manshit. It is very true,

and I wonder how Penn explains how he is wrong so often to his boss.

[BeatleBoot]

5. But it mattered to most on this board

And that's all that counts in the Echo Chamber.

[rodeodance]

11. Love you pic

[opihimoimoi]

7. Because of the tight race,,,the closeness of it all...even a small shift is profound

I think/feel its done more good than bad...a small shift of 5% will be enough to do the job...7% and higher will be dramatic..

[rodeodance]

10. "The disturbing numbers for Obama are the independent voters. By 56% to 13%, "

Democrats disapproved 48% to 28%, which looks sobering for Obama on first glance, but might portend otherwise. If blacks irritated by Obama’s remarks will return to the fold, than impressing whites is probably a more vital read on the numbers. And Democratic whites were more sympathetic with the speech’s message than black ones.

The disturbing numbers for Obama are the independent voters. By 56% to 13%, they said they’re less likely to vote for him because of the speech.

[opihimoimoi]

76. Whoa, its that bad...then perhaps.....it would be wise to sip tea and fold...of which he ain't gonna

[rodeodance]

8. "Obama had to forfeit the promise implicit in this campaign to date;" yes.

Still, the charismatic Democratic presidential frontrunner likely has created a genuine problem for himself: In order to fizzle the flame that Rev. Wright ignited with his passionate, public racism, Obama had to forfeit the promise implicit in this campaign to date; that of moving beyond and above racialist rhetoric in American politics.

On Tuesday, he changed course and said essentially the opposite: That we all need to face our unpleasant history. His words mirrored a rhetorical and policy mantra that many black public figures of the last generation have tried to make mainstream.

[emilyg]

14. k/r

[rodeodance]

15. :-)

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[HCE SuiGeneris]

45. Please cite the source.

[rodeodance]

50. the link is in the OP. And thank you for asking nicely this time. Works better on a discussion board

[ingac70]

9. The Florida Insider...

Right wing pundit Matt Towery is the CEO of the parent company of this paper.

[Teaser]

17. Let it sink, folks

.

[rodeodance]

19. Did you say that about the CBS poll?? Sinking only applies to stuff you do not like it seems

[golddigger]

60. Let it sink? Kind of like your candidate. Let him sink.

[rodeodance]

63. Great one!

[Hoof Hearted]

78. It's so funny how you guys kick the thread everytime you say that.

I mean, I don't want to point out the obvious or anything, but that's like calling for a smoking ban with a cigarette dangling from your lip.

[Beacool]

18. Can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.

Too little, too late............the damage is done. Many people are not going to forget these two quotes:

"Hillary ain't never been called a n....r".

"God Damn America" repeated over and over.

The second quote is the one that people find the most objectionable.

[rodeodance]

27. I think neither of those quotes sits well with many Americans.

[jkshaw]

49. Especially when they're repeated over and over

by the MSM and the Clinton campaign.

[rodeodance]

54. by the MSN yes.

[Kierkegaard]

20. Good thing

it takes more than some roll of right wing toilet paper flaunting a bunch of old poll numbers to influence my opinion. I'd probably be a McStain supporter!

[rodeodance]

24. Good for you. I also recognize that one poll is only a snapshot in time--just as the CBS poll is

[GoldieAZ49]

21. I watched the speech

race wasn't the issue, trust, character, judgment were.

He intentionally hid his 20 yr relationship with this guy from the voters. What else is he hiding?


I will not vote for his deception. Not now, not ever.

[rodeodance]

23. People are waking up to his divisiveness

[stevietheman]

79. Wow. The Hillbots really are running off the rails. n/t

n/t

[anonymous171]

72. Your one of those "I just don't trust him" people.

And race WAS the issue. Everyone was like "OMG RACIST PASTOR!"

[BlackVelvet04]

26. and like Lazarus the thread

ascends.

[golddigger]

61. Lmao...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Milo_Bloom]

28. Wow, a completely meaningless result.

Why? Because they don't ask who they were planning on voting for in the first place.


Generally, one would expect that 52% to be made up of BOTH McCain and Clinton supporters, who are against him at this point anyway and would say "less likely" no matter what, because they don't want to build him up.


The only way this poll would mean anything is if you talked to OBAMA voters and UNDECIDEDS.

[Beacool]

36. The undecideds and independents are the ones who are dropping him in the polls.

Obama gave a nice speech, but there's something very visceral about people's reactions to Wright's words and these people will not forget them come November. Most Americans consider that their 3 priorities in life are God, country and family. Wright trampled on "country" by using "God" through his interpretation of the Bible to bash our nation from the pulpit and, fairly or not, that's something plenty of people will neither forget nor forgive.

[Milo_Bloom]

38. You have nothing to back up that statement at all.

[rodeodance]

53. "The disturbing numbers for Obama are the independent voters. By 56% to 13%,"

read the OP

The disturbing numbers for Obama are the independent voters. By 56% to 13%, they said they’re less likely to vote for him because of the speech.

[treestar]

57. After Hillary and McBush make their speeches on race

Oh, er, they don't have to. Why is that?

Let's go through their pastors' words, every single one.

[rodeodance]

59. Too bad BO had such poor judgment in his 20 years of association with Wright.

[rodeodance]

65. The only reason BO HAD to make a speech on race is cause he has racialized this primary

[Milo_Bloom]

62. Did you read what I wrote?

First, forget the fact that this specific quote doesn't back up what you said in the least...

Second, AGAIN, The problem with the poll is that it doesn't distinguish between an Obama voter, a McCain voter, a Clinton voter and an undecided.


56% of Independent voters are currently against Obama because they are either for Clinton or McCain and the fact that Obama has 44% of the Independent vote in what is currently a 3 way race is pretty amazing.

[rodeodance]

64. as you can see, I only spoke of the independents from the article, NOTHING else. thank.

[Milo_Bloom]

67. WHICH ONES??

My god, are you being intentionally dense?

Right now there is a 3 way race... Obama, McCain, Clinton

A Certain % of these people polled are currently McCain or CLinton supporters and will say anything against Obama, because they are supporting another candidate.

Unless you eliminate those people from the poll, the results are MEANINGLESS.

[rodeodance]

68. i understood what you said in the first place. so don't call me dense.

[Milo_Bloom]

70. If you understood, why did you pretend you didn't?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

41. Proof?

"Nearly a quarter of Democrats say the events have made them more likely to back Obama, while a similar number of Republicans say they are now less likely to do so. Three in four independents say the events make no difference, and the remainder are nearly evenly split between those more likely to support him and those less likely to do so."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/21/opinion/polls/main3958295.shtml?source=mostpop_story

Now, where is your data?

[jackson_dem]

30. Obamites are so in love with St. Obama they don't realize what his advisers did

There is a reason they didn't want him to give that speech...

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[rodeodance]

55. "..but you keep on lyin' your ass off."--- more personal instults which are not allowed

[Tellurian]

58. Tell us more..

[kwenu]

66. Yea for Hillary!!!!!

because she still won't be the nominee.

:sarcasm:

[rodeodance]

69. :-)

[dchill]

71. Won't you be glad when...

Obama finally gets the nomination, and you can go join FreeRepublic.com to better fight him from there?

70% had a favorable reaction to the speech. No link, go Google yourself.

[BlackVelvet04]

73. Most people didn’t have a gut positive reaction to Obama’s speech,” he said.

that pretty much covers it.

[AZBlue]

74. Well, Internet News Agency and Insider Advantage are RW news sources.

What else did you expect from them or their readers?

[Hoof Hearted]

77. I can't believe this is a surprise to ANYONE. Obama cannot win in the GE.

My God, the took John Kerry, a bona fide decorated war veteran and managed to paint him as being somehow unpatriotic.

The slaughter of Obama's image will be the stuff of legends if he's the nominee.

[BlueJac]

80. You must not of heard the speech.....

Or......? I feel sorry for you.