The Ideal Female President

[NoBushSpokenHere]

As a female, I agree it would be nice to have a female Democratic President. My ideal President would be a female who rose to the top by herself. She would be one who truly stands for women's rights and one who truly made it on her own. She would be a female who has felt and rose above the pain of being discriminated against because of her gender. She would be a female who wasn't born with a silver spoon in her mouth. She would be one who rose to the top without using gender to climb. She would have risen to the top by truly working for the people.

I want a female President who understands the pain women have faced every day. The difficulties we have had to battle in our relationships, on the job and in our society. My ideal female President would be one who would conduct the business of running the country in an unbiased manner.

Furthermore, I want one who has always been a Democratic person. I don't want one who was raised with Republican influences. For most people it is in the upbringing whether they bleed blue or red. I bleed blue. I truly care about people and if that makes me a bleeding heart liberal, fine.

I would wholeheartedly support a female for President if I really believed there were not serious questions regarding connections with the true enemy of this country, the Bush Cabal. I have questioned the connections since the 2004 election. This primary race has shown me more of what she is all about and I do not like what I am seeing.

Today, we are faced with decisions. I believe this contest is neither about race nor gender. I believe this because of the dire problems in our country today. It is not a contest between feminism and racism. It is a contest about who can we trust the most to end the war, tackle poverty, provide jobs, and bring this country back better than it has ever been! It is about our government leaving thousands stranded in New Orleans. It is about no bid contracts to Halliburton. It is about trying to clear DC of corruption. It is about trying to obtain honest elections. It is about government for the people by the people.

Someday our day will come. We will have a female President. I hope it is someone who is a true champion for women, but above all I hope she is a Democratic member who truly has risen to the top because of her own accomplishments. Don't get me wrong here, I am not belittling Hillary's past, but had she not been Bill's wife, we probably would not have known her.

This year, I am voting for the person who gives me hope we can have a better tomorrow. This year, I am voting for those who cannot because they were killed in a war that shouldn't have been waged. This year, I am voting for those who have lost their jobs. This year, I am voting for those standing in the food lines. This year, I am voting for those who have no health care. This year, I am voting because I believe we finally have a candidate that can take us beyond politics as usual.

Maybe next time we can have a female candidate that meets my criteria. Today, I honestly believe we need to shed our feministic suits, roll up our sleeves and work hard for a brighter tomorrow.

[Warren DeMontague]

1. Obama could put Barbara Boxer on the ticket.

I'd be all for that! :thumbsup: :patriot:

[here_is_to_hope]

3. Doesnt Boxer have some MIC baggage?

I know back in the day she was hot shit but I recall she had some issues last year?

[gateley]

7. What does MIC stand for? Thanks. nt

[here_is_to_hope]

17. Sorry, Military Industrial Complex..wasnt her husband tied to something...

Earmarks? I know she has done some good things in the past but I recall last year her getting slimed for something along those lines.

[gateley]

31. Thanks.

And I'm sorry but I can't shed any light on the husband thing...

[here_is_to_hope]

32. I couldnt find anything either, must have been a mindmelt. n/t

[Cooley Hurd]

33. That's DiFi, not Senator Boxer...

[Warren DeMontague]

48. Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're thinking of Dianne Feinstein, who is NO Barbara Boxer.

I'm not a big fan of DiFi, over here.

[Warren DeMontague]

10. Motorcycle Industry Council?

Sorry, maybe I haven't been paying attn., but I have no idea what you're talking about. :shrug:

[here_is_to_hope]

19. Lol, Biker B*tches for Barbara Boxer! n/t

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

4. Deal me in.

[JohnnyLib2]

11. Interesting. How would her Clinton connection be handled?

Although I agree with her being a top-tier choice, no long term politician has arrived through isolation. Sen. Boxer is just a case in point here.

(might add that I've had to listen to a RW California relative go on about her for years.)

[Warren DeMontague]

16. True, she's endorsed Hillary. But Bill Richardson is a long-time Clinton pal, too.

The bottom line is, sooner or later we're going to have a nominee- I think it's going to be Obama- and the party is going to HAVE TO come together.

Probably my top pick would be Russ Feingold, but BB is up there, too. I suspect Obama may pick Richardson, now that he's endorsed him. I also like Chris Dodd.

[lligrd]

15. That Would Be My Ideal Ticket nt

[kimmerspixelated]

27. Barbara Boxer- ALL THE WAY!

I think that if Obama picked Boxer-it would be a total and complete shoe-in for him! I love her, she's got real spunk!

[TahitiNut]

2. If you want to see such a woman, look at my avatar.

I would've given my life to see her as President.

[hobbit709]

6. If she'd been Speaker-impeachment WOULD NOT have been off the table.

[TahitiNut]

13. That's for DAMNED sure.

She was an astonishing human being, imho. She had character and integrity that transcended race and gender.

[kimmerspixelated]

28. Please, I've always wantd to know who she was!

For a long time, I thought it might be YOU!

[TahitiNut]

30. Barbara Jordan ... one of my heroes.

:shrug: I should be so lucky to be as good looking. :silly:


This is me ...

[kimmerspixelated]

55. Barbara Jordon!

My Gosh, I didn't recognize her! Agreed! Fantastic lady. And all this time I thought you were a woman, but I imagine my avatar poses the opposite effect of reality as well!

[Skidmore]

56. You bring tears to my eyes.

Ms. Jordan has been the only woman I can think of who had the moral and intellectual stature to fill the office fully. I cannot think of one woman who rises to that standard for public service set by this one woman. I know one will come someday, but I see none now. A tremendous intellect married with a sense of a greater purpose and grounded in integrity. America lost a great soul when she was no longer able to work.

I would have loved to have been able to meet her.

[graywarrior]

5. This sentence says it all for me

My ideal President would be a female who rose to the top by herself.

(and I assume you meant without the help of one man--but by many people)

[NashVegas]

18. No One Rises To The Top On Their Own. No One

Our society is aligned in such a way that one cannot get anywhere without the assistance of others who stand to gain in that person's advancement.

BO wouldn't be standing where he is if wheels had not been seriously greased for him.

If we keep waiting for a female candidate who carries everything on all of our wish lists, we'll never have a female president.

[JohnnyLib2]

23. Amen and amen.

There is no such person in sight. And if one is in the shadows, she will still need hundreds of millions of dollars for starters. sheesh

[NoBushSpokenHere]

25. Exactly... by many people without any one man nt

[jgraz]

8. All she needs is the courage of her convictions and the confidence to be herself.

Oh, and she needs to not be a freakin Republitard.

[Nitrogenica]

9. Great post!

"This year, I am voting for the person who gives me hope we can have a better tomorrow. This year, I am voting for those who cannot because they were killed in a war that shouldn't have been waged. This year, I am voting for those who have lost their jobs. This year, I am voting for those standing in the food lines. This year, I am voting for those who have no health care. This year, I am voting because I believe we finally have a candidate that can take us beyond politics as usual."

That sums up my vote this year.

I feel badly for those of us who have had to face financial disaster head on in the "ME" America. Some Americans have forgotten that government is about all of us.

I feel very very lucky to be doing OK, but my family is one paycheck away from disaster.

[NoBushSpokenHere]

34. Many of us are close to disaster... absolutely scary to see

how quickly this country is becoming a third world country.

[rodeodance]

12. "but had she not been Bill's wife, we probably would not have known her." Women

have been fighting against this siren call since the dawn of time.

Now here it is in the OP--and other thread on DU.


good gawd, the uttter stupidity that comes from board is beyond the pale

[Catherina]

14. We just may

I like Boxer alot but this woman is great too

[JohnnyLib2]

22. OK, I'm deliberately throwing this argument back.

Coattails. Coattails of a well known husband. Why do we know of her otherwise?

(and you personally may never have used the coattails line; I'm pointing out the potential fallout for those who have.)

[Catherina]

50. Nothing

I just love that photo ;)

[NoBushSpokenHere]

20. Had Hillary

Divorced Bill after the scandal instead of staying with him to further her chances of election, I would have had more respect for her. I believe she would have been electable then. She still wouldn't have met my criteria though. I want a true Democratic Female President, someday.

On edit to add: Criteria as mentioned in the OP, not just the Republican upbringing

[JohnnyLib2]

24. Who is this incredible woman?

:crazy:

[NoBushSpokenHere]

26. An unknown at this time but will rise in the future nt

[NashVegas]

21. By Your Criteria, We Will NEVER Have a Female President

There's no such thing in the USA as a successful person - male OR female - who rises to the top without assistance.

I want a female president - I want a president, period - who is their own person - not my own Mary Sue wish fulfillment fantasy.

[loveangelc]

29. we may very well have a female vp.

I'm going to be the first female president. lol.

[NoBushSpokenHere]

35. Do you meet my criteria? nt

[housewolf]

36. The Coming Woman President

I read these words recently, and they gave me much hope about our electing a woman as President of the US:

"Before long, a woman will come along who is equipped to use her gender as a point of strength. A woman who taps naturally into all the positive feelings people have towards the powerful and influential women in their lives. Voters will defend this woman when she's attacked as if their own sister were under assault. And they will bend to her will to avoid disappointing her, out of an almost holy respect, as they do for their mothers. Such a woman will come along,"

What an empowering vision to hold - that soon, in the near future, probably in my lifetime, such a woman can rise up. A woman who naturally evokes postive feelings from women and men alike. A woman who is a natural leader - powerful, influential and inspiring in her own right. A woman who voters accept as their own and who defend her against unjust attacks. I woman who inspires respect and desire to serve. A woman who can give birth to a new way of being, a new civility, a new America if you will, out of her very being.

She's coming, I know she's coming. I don't know who she is or where she is, but I hold this vision.

[stratomagi]

43. She's probably in office right now....

fighting for her constituency. We just don't know her name as of yet. ;-)

[maddiejoan]

37. So for you --

-- a woman can either be successful and accomplished --or she can be married?

June Cleaver or Jane Hathaway are the only choices for you?

That's not feminism --that's turning the clock back to the 1950s.

[NoBushSpokenHere]

38. If your question is for me

NOOOOOOOOOOOO definately not June or Jane... Maybe you should read my post again? Maybe the question wasn't for me?

[maddiejoan]

39. It was for you

Because you obviously missed that Hillary IS a self-made woman.

In fact it's arguable that she also made Bill Clinton.

[NoBushSpokenHere]

40. If she was self made she would have been President before him

because she even stated she had that aspiration long before he did.

[maddiejoan]

41. Feeble

very feeble.

[LisaL]

60. Right. And how many female presidents did we have?

None. Then maybe you shoud shut up.
Obviously it's not a piece of cake for the woman to become president, because considering women are more than 50 % of the population, half of our presidents should have been females, all other things equal.

[cliffordu]

53. OK, Maddie -

I give -

I absolutely agree with your statement. She is the brains and the class of the outfit.

c

[stratomagi]

42. I'm glad to hear this

from a womans perspective. I've been posting about this for some time when people bring up that we need a woman in the oval office...and i've said that it would be better she be someone who got there on her own merits representing her own constituency. That would make it a real victory for feminists.

I have also said that a Clinton win would do more for our recent trend of presidential dynasties than it would for women. I think if Barack were the nominee it would do more for the possibility of women presidents because we would be moving away from a dynastic trend.

I think in this election the question of are we ready to elect a black or woman president (which I believe we are) aren't as important as are we willing to elect someone who will transform our democracy or are we going to stick to the way we've been doing things.

P.S. I think the real feminist thing to do is to make up your own mind about a candidate and not be swayed by what is or isn't under the pantsuit.

[NoBushSpokenHere]

47. I agree stratomagi

"P.S. I think the real feminist thing to do is to make up your own mind about a candidate and not be swayed by what is or isn't under the pantsuit."

I have always been amazed by the women who support HRC just because she is the same gender. There are many of my gender who would not make a good President. I do believe they need to put some thought into their vote and not ignore the warning signs shown by statements of their candidate. We were ready 10-15 years ago for either a female or a black President. The dynasty has taken America back another 20-30 years. Both candidates deserve kudo's for doing so well to date given the right wing assault on anything different than the religious white male.

When we have a female President I hope it is one who has risen on her own with the help of many instead of being one who has a famous husband.

[VotesForWomen]

44. i feel sorry for you. don't you have an anti-ERA march to go to or something? nt

[aasleka]

45. No offense but isn't it weird to say I want a "woman" President? Can't we just hope for the

one with the best judgement, the best person for the job? Anything else just seems bigotted? Race or gender never entered into my mind in previous elections and I simply do not make choices that way.

[libbygurl]

46. You are asking absolute PERFECTION of a woman president, and yet...

...how many imperfect male candidates have we had to put up with for decades...centuries...in so many countries?

And why should you take Hillary's having been married to Bill as a factor against voting for her? By that logic, all relatives of actors shouldn't go into acting, kin of doctors shouldn't become doctors, etc., etc.

And you don't think that rubbish will also be dug up connected with any future female candidate? You are asking purity in politics? And you *really* believe that BO is as pure as he makes himself out to be?

I've heard these arguments in so many places before, and frankly, they've become tiresome and unhelpful canards, in my view.

So, keep waiting for your ideal female candidate. Don't forget to brush away the maggots and cobwebs in the meantime.


Edited for clarification - 'perfect' -> 'imperfect' above.

[LisaL]

49. Nobody is perfect.

So, don't hold your breath waiting for the "ideal female president."
By the way, do you hold men to the same standard?
Do they have to be perfect?

[NoBushSpokenHere]

52. Where in my post did I imply Perfect?

My criteria for a female President:

1. Must be a Democratic Party member
2. Must have risen to the top without help from any one person
3. Must not have used gender to rise
4. Must be a champion of the people (synonymous with number 1.)
5. Must NOT have come from a wealthy family (wealth prevents oppression)
6. Must understand the reason we need equality

The six qualities have been written without referring to my original post. If I left any out, I will add them to an additional post.

I do not believe the above to be a demand for perfection. You ask if I hold men to the same standard? My topic is on how wonderful it would be to have a female President but we do not have the right female candidate and it is more important to not risk a continuance of the dynasty so your question is not related to topic, sorry.

[LisaL]

59. You know, that's just ridiculous.

Nobody rises to the top without help from any one person.
Must not come from a wealthy family is also ridiculous.
People can no more help being born rich than they can help being born poor.
And WTF do you mean "by must not use gender to rise?"
Is the woman supposed to act like a man for you to consider her a presidential material?
Jeez.

[NoBushSpokenHere]

61. Explanation

1. Rising to the top without rising as a result of another persons fame.
2. While I agree one can no more help being born rich than they can help being born poor - It would definitely be easier to rise to the top being rich and often the rich women do not experience the same discrimination as the middle class and poor. Also, it is difficult for most who are born rich to truly understand the strife of the poor. People who haven't ever seen it first hand do not understand it and without understanding they have no idea how to help.
3. WTF I mean about must not use gender to rise: I do not want a President who has either slept her way to the top or rose simply because she made people feel sorry for her because she was a female. The liberation movement ALSO includes not conducting yourself inappropriately in order to gain advancement!
4. No, the woman isn't supposed to act like a man but the female is supposed to act EQUAL to a man and not above, under or otherwise!

[LisaL]

62. Don't hold your breath.

Females are fifty percent of the population.
Which means there should have been 50 percent of female presidents.
There have been none.
Not even a female VP.
Have it ever occurred to you to ask a question as to why?
And at this rate, you are not gonna get your ideal female president, or any female president, for that matter.

[NoBushSpokenHere]

63. lizzy it is obvious why...

because we are in a white male dominated society. We will be able to have a female President someday but first we have to take our government back from the goons who stole it!

[LisaL]

64. With other women demanding impossible perfection from

female presidential candidates, it's not gonna happen any time soon.
I personally feel the first time around, Hillary should have been president, not Bill.
Like you yourself said, it was always her dream.
It's rather obvious why she couldn't.

[NoBushSpokenHere]

65. I don't think it is a matter of demanding impossible perfection

but more a matter of "She just wasn't the right female for it" I was 100% in her corner until the 2004 election. I have had doubts ever since about her connections to the dynasty. Had I not followed the investigations into the election fraud in 04, I may not have reached the conclusions I did. I believe I may have been able to overcome my doubts had she conducted her election differently. For me, it isn't a choice about female versus male, it is a choice about who I can trust to stop the war, stay out of Iran, use diplomacy in foreign and domestic relations, fix the economy, provide a health care plan and find a solution to the housing crisis. I really do not doubt her intelligence, but I do have questions regarding her connections.

[NoBushSpokenHere]

51. When I think of having a female President

I often think of my Mom. No, she wouldn't have been Presidential material, but she would have made us proud. She wouldn't let us work in the kitchen, didn't want us to take home economics in school. She explained to us the reason was because she didn't want us to be raised to think a females place was in the home. She wanted us to reach for our dreams, to know and believe that anything was possible. She told me, "Go ahead NoBushSpokenHere and grab that star for you can reach as high as all the rest"

I remember her rooting for Hillary after the cookie moment. I think it was the first time we paid attention to Hillary as they didn't like her much as soon as they found out she was one of them, a Republican. I remember her and Dad discussing it and deciding Hillary just switched politics because of Bill. They almost didn't support Bill because of it. Hey, before you scream at that comment remember I was born into a Democratic family with roots of being Democratic ever since the party was formed... We didn't buy into switching from Republican to Democratic without people having ulterior motives. I can't say the same thing today because I do believe there were a lot of people who were misinformed of what the Republican party was all about who have since switched to the best party :)

Regardless of whether Hillary is a "Real" Democratic candidate or not, I know my Mom would have been screaming at the tv when Hillary made the statements she did about McCain versus Obama. That event and the negative advertisements would have sent her reeling.

Yes, I think of my Mom and I know if she were here, she would be rooting for Barack Obama all the way. I can almost hear her now.


on edit: switch to switched

[FlyingSquirrel]

54. Hmmm 20 rec's doesn't seem enough

k/r

[NoBushSpokenHere]

57. Thanks for the K and R nt

[AZBlue]

58. Thank you for your fantastic post!

I would LOVE a female President. But it's far more important to have a President who will help Americans who are struggling and who will help this country raise itself up again to the greatness it deserves. As you said, hopefully next time that person will also be a female, but for now, that person is DEFINITELY Barack Obama.

[NoBushSpokenHere]

66. Your welcome nt

[Alexander]

67. I would've gladly voted for Barbara Boxer over any of the '08 candidates.

I would be pleasantly surprised if Obama picks her. She'd make a great president.