Clinton's "Kitchen Sink" strategy has hobbled both Candidates. Party now forced to SELECT THE TICKET

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Hillary and Barack are both damaged goods.

Whether we like it or not, Hillary's effective negative campaign going into Texas/Ohio has hobbled Obama for a fight against the "Patriotic," "Credible," "Ready from day one" Commander In Chief, John McCain. This Clinton strategy has also had the side effect of decreasing Hillary's chances in the GE. Either will need heavy-duty help in the GE.

The "guilt by association" Wright-gate smear against Obama makes it almost impossible for him to put away Clinton with a PA upset victory.

So, at the end of the primaries neither Obama nor Clinton will be able to claim an undisputed right to the nomination as a result of primary ELECTION. The Party (superdelegates) will have to consider whether either is still on a position to lead to a big GE victory, or whether to SELECT the best combination of candidates to field against McCain.

This is not, necessarily, a bad thing. We have the advantage of knowing who the opposition is -- John McCain. The party can have a major role in crafting the ticket needed to win, rather be stuck with the results of an unsatisfactory primary process. Logic would favor that the head of the ticket, other than the two leaders this time, should have won a prior nomination processes.

The rumor is that Party leaders are seriously considering packaging a GORE/OBAMA ticket. This is not far-fetched. Earlier it was expected that if Clinton faltered, Gore would enter the race. He was just loath to go up against the Clinton machine and the mood of the country that it was time for a "woman." Gore has already been V.P. so he would only consider heading the ticket.

So, what ticket would you choose to go against McCain? Here are some options in the wind:

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[azmouse]

2. None of the above.

I want Obama to chose his own VP.

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5. Has to win the Nomination outright. Does not seem to be happening

[lligrd]

3. Obama\Boxer nt

[David Zephyr]

4. I'm with you there.

:thumbsup:

[Hutzpa]

35. Who is Boxer? n/t

[lligrd]

37. Barbara Boxer - Senator From CA And One Of The Few

to vote against the IWR. First time I saw Obama was when he appeared at one of her functions to help her get re-elected. You could tell they really liked one another.

[Hutzpa]

38. Thanks n/t

[Spider Jerusalem]

6. Obama/Richardson may be in the cards in light of recent events.

[lligrd]

7. I Could Live With That Ticket nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

8. The sooner the better!

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22. I agree. The party has to bring the fight to an end.

[FloridaJudy]

14. My choice as well.

I'd love to see a woman on the ticket, but I don't think the US is ready for Barbara Lee yet, and the conservatives' heads really would explode (hey, I'm from Berkeley originally: we pioneered Progressive).

Obama/Richardson would work well for me, as would Obama/Edwards.

And I think Clinton would make a great AG or head of HHS, so there.

[Spider Jerusalem]

21. I think Clinton would make a good USSC justice, personally.

Or possibly Majority Leader, if she stays in the Senate.

I see John Edwards as being a better pick for AG in a hypothetical Obama administration.

[JackORoses]

15. this would get my vote

[quakerboy]

17. This sure looks like a trial period to me

Im betting the results in the polls and votes will determine whether that is the ticket or not...

[Middle finga]

18. We are catching enough hell with one minority possibly being

on the ticket, what do you think the crazies will do if we put two on the ticket?

[DangerousRhythm]

41. The crazies?

Perhaps their brains would implode. We'd all be better off for it, really.

[Middle finga]

46. We'll have a civil war on our hands you ready for that?

Remember they have the gun nuts on their side

[DangerousRhythm]

55. Good point. N/T

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42. It's a real God Damn shame!

[Warren DeMontague]

40. That's my guess, too. He's got executive experience, he can bring in the Hispanic vote

he won't cause us to drop another Senate vote...

Obama/Richardson makes a TREMENDOUS amt. of sense.

[Justyce]

9. Gore/Edwards or

Clinton/Edwards or Gore/Clinton all sound good to me...

[musicblind]

12. YES, all three of those sound FANTASTIC!

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44. How does Edwards N.S. cred go up against McCain??

[Blue_In_AK]

56. Gore/Edwards would be perfect with me. n/t

[McCamy Taylor]

10. It is Rove and the Right Wing Media who have attacked the Democratic Primary

Both Hillary and Obama have suffered, but the Party has suffered most of all.

A wise person knows his enemy.

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45. So what was the Penn strategy? Are we to pretend the endless loop of negative ads

and innuendo did not happen?

[Vinca]

11. I don't know what pairing, but I agree they are both becoming

damaged goods the longer this plays out. Meanwhile McCain is traveling the world on our dime playing president with his BFF Lieberbush.

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13. Not only are Dems damaged but McCain is being boosted by our Candidates' praise

[elocs]

16. Does anybody here who is even remotely grounded in some kind of reality

really believe that Gore would run in any capacity when he said he would not, when he has had nothing at all to do with the campaign? Does anybody really believe that Edwards would again run as VP when he said he would not and with his wife's health in the condition that it is in? Does anybody really believe that Kerry would ever agree to run as VP? What on earth does Kerry bring to any Democratic ticket?

This DU is really great because evidently it has given me access to a parallel dimension where all the rules of logic and reality are contrary to those of this one.

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20. Gore recently reaffirmed his presidential ambitions, while dismissing notion of any other

role in Government.

[blm]

26. Actually, there isn't a Dem in DC who KNOWS McCain more intimately than Kerry and McCain

talks about it in his book when he used to be human not so many years ago.


McCain admitted that he was always on the verge of complete breakdown during the whole Vietnam normalization process he and Kerry were charged with and he revealed that it never would have happened without KERRY'S leadership and his ability to calm him down when he was visibly shaken and falling apart.

Now - imagine THAT AUDIO from the Book on TAPE version with McCain's own voice telling THAT story.

You all underestimate Kerry constantly as you buy into what bullshit the media has slung at you, instead of having the guts to fight FOR the truth alongside our best Dems. That's the reality of what happened to both Gore and Kerry.

[Adelante]

19. Obama/Clark nt

[Middle finga]

23. I hope Obama chooses a running mate who stood by his side

during the tough times when Hillary and the republicans were trying to destroy his career. The scared democrats that hid in the closet should not even apply.

[Hutzpa]

33. Thank you

excellent point, they where all scared shitless and none of them have the
balls to stand next to him and now they want to claim the accolade of
victory.

So far Obama has shown good judgment and I'm sure when the time comes
he will not hesitate to choose the right man for the job.

[2rth2pwr]

24. Hillary with Big Dawg as VP

[AZBlue]

25. Obama/Edwards

[Bullet1987]

27. How does Webb help Obama experience-wise? I don't

understand this VP pick.

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28. Highly decorated Combat war vet, Navy Secretary etc

[ORDem]

29. Obama/Richardson. n/t

[depakid]

30. "This is not far-fetched." It ceratinly isn't, if one looks at this historically

and- depending on what happens- pragmatically.

Nominees were almost never decided on the first ballot. Even FDR took 3 -and that was FDR!

Had RFK not been killed, anyone hazard a guess as to how Chicago would have gone in 1968?

Would we still have gotten Nixon (and lost the Supreme Court).

[Hutzpa]

31. Let me see if I understand you

Obama did all the work, yet he should be the Veep to Al Gore?
Have you lost your mind or are you just being ignorant.....:puke:
Your premise is completely off and its shit like this that
gets us into deeper shit in the first place.....hence the
Clinton's feels they can do as they like without anyone
telling them when to quit.

She is the one that has destroyed the party and in part Gore
was responsible for creating the DLC that has now become a
thorn in the Democratic flesh, frankly, I don't think Al
Gore wants to get into politics again.

You need to change your flawed thinking, I guess you're
from the golden age, so its understandable for the
thinking to be a wee bit off.

I disagree with your GORE/Obama ticket, why not OBAMA/Gore
we need a progressive ticket, thats the only way we can get
things done.

I know there is a name out there that most of us have not
heard of.

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32. Not my idea: Party leaders now KNOW they have to decide the ticket

[Hutzpa]

34. Are the party elders

putting Gore in front of Obama.

Gore as President and Obama vice?

[Justyce]

47. Gore has 8 years of VP experience, 8 years as a representative,

8 years as a senator, technically won the presidential election in 2000, Nobel Peace Prize winner, etc. etc. Do you honestly think he would or should accept a VP slot to a freshman senator? That's ludicrous.

[Beregond2]

36. ?

I don't know where you are getting these ideas. Obama is going to go into the convention the clear winner. And the idea that he is too "damaged" to win the GE is nonsense. We haven't even begun to fight McCain. Once we do, he will out of the fight in nothing flat. All this fantastical speculation is a waste of energy.

[DangerousRhythm]

39. Obama/Richardson for me.

It seems like ages ago now that I was supporting an Obama/Clinton unity ticket... but that was before the happenings of the past week or two. That stuff really took any desire for a "unity" ticket right out of me. Obama/Richardson makes me smile AND Richardson has the advantages of being very experienced AND well liked. I'd say he'd be nuts not to go for it.

[ZombieHorde]

43. Kucinich/Shera, Princess of Power! nt

Haha, I said nt but there is text anyway!!!

[Fluffdaddy]

48. Gore does not have the fire in the belly anymore......Remember Fred Thompson

[RichardRay]

49. I voted Obama/Webb, but I'd take...

Obama/Richardson and even Obama/Clark.

I know that last one isn't popular given Clark's support of Clinton, but I haven't heard him piling on since the 'Kitchen Sink Strategy' came along, so he's still viable in my mind. It would also help heal some of the hurt from Clinton supporters, and that's a good thing going into the GE.

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50. Good point re Clark. But does he have the strong Party support needed

[RichardRay]

51. It depends on how much of the Clinton energy he could bring along.

I know he's been a supporter, but I don't know if he could bring any of it along if he moved into the VP slot. I'm not supporting is strongly, just throwing it out there.

[Colobo]

52. Obama for president, anyone else for VP.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

57. Correction: anyone else but Hillary for VP.

[LWolf]

53. Gore/Edwards or Gore/Boxer. n/t

[GarbagemanLB]

54. Obama has won, he deserves to be on the top of the ticket. End of story.

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59. Using the same calculation, so had Gary Hart. Hillary should concede, but she will not

[high density]

58. Gore???

Newsflash: Gore doesn't want the job anymore.

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60. The rumor is becoming a BUZZ. Why? Because Hillary is really trying kneecap Obama

and may well succeed.