I can't believe this Wright 'scandal' is still going -It shows the immaturity & ignorance of America

[debbierlus]

The stunning thing is not what the Rev. SAID....

The stunning thing is that Americans take no responsibility for our collective brutality against so many groups (race, sexual orientation, religion, etc), and becomes utterly outraged not because of those ACTS...but for being CALLED out on those acts.

Look at the Iraq war. The most recent (disgusting) example. The best estimates show a 1,000,0000 Iraqi people killed, a similiar number wounded, triple that number displaced, and millions upon millions of torn apart Iraqi families. Women forced to sell their bodies on the street to feed their children. Their capitol city has literally been transformed into a CESSPOOL. And, HALF the population thinks the Iraq war is going 'well'. The ARROGANCE of the American people to feel entitled to bomb a nation into smithereens due to the mere PERCEPTION of threat, it is sinful. The LAZINESS of the American people in their complicity in allowing this murder and slaughter to continue is beyond excuse. And, our refusal to DEMAND that this entire administration and Congress be held to account for such a mass slaughter and destruction has laid the soulless face of our nation bare.

We deserve every damn bit of suffering that will rain upon us as a CONSEQUENCE of our narcisstic entitlement and indecency to the rest of the human race.

What the hell is wrong with this nation?

We should be be DEEPLY ashamed.

[anonymous171]

1. It's still going? I thought we were on to passport and patriotism -gate?

[AZBlue]

2. I think it's only still going on here at DU.

The Clinton supporters won't let it die.

[jlake]

3. It's still on CNN....

[Qutzupalotl]

9. Go figure.

:sarcasm:

[AZBlue]

15. From your response...

...I'm so glad I put that person on Ignore.

[muntrv]

4. On the Friday newsdump edition of Hardball, Tweety finally criticized McSame

for pandering to John Hagee.

[mucifer]

5. It's racism.

Scary black man said scary things. ooooo I'm so scared. Lets discuss it on news every night and scare everyone so we won't get a scary black president.


Just my interpretation.

[Why Syzygy]

6. You are so right.

This has turned into a barometer of the ignorance of our citizens and the corruption of our politicians.

[superkia]

13. DING,DING,DING! We have a winner! Thats also how you can...

see who some of the people are around DU, when you look at them still playing the same game as the media and corrupt system. They are either with them or just pretty ignorant!

[mudesi]

7. People wonder why Bin Laden attacked on 9/11

Your post pretty much sums it up. Arrogance, ignorance, laziness.

[AZ Criminal JD]

37. So you agree with Wright. Which candidate agrees with you?

[Middle finga]

8. I agree with everything you said ... K&R

I haven't even turned on the news today, I was hoping that the shit had died down by now.

[Nitrogenica]

10. I thought it was dead yesterday.

It's a MONSTER!!!

[leftofcool]

11. It is still going strong and will continue

and that is sad

[tabasco]

12. It shows the agenda of the corporate media too.

They are nothing more than the propaganda arm of profiteering corporations.

They fear Obama.

[lob1]

14. This has less to do with the people

and more to do with the media. The media is like a restaurant. The special is roasted Obama, and Hillary and McCain aren't on the menu.

[Faygo Kid]

20. Yes, it's the media. Particularly Faux, RW haters, neocons like Krauthammer - they won't let it go.

I have a gut feeling it's starting to backfire - that it's too obvious, that Hannity, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Coulter, Beck, Levin, et al may even be boring their supporters by talking of nothing else.

[2rth2pwr]

16. This is a "chickens are going to come home to roost" post.

[rodeodance]

26. And just to think, they were not going to talk about Wright anymore.

[rodeodance]

17. ****Obama struggles to limit damage in pastor row as white voters slip away

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/2...008.barackobama


Obama struggles to limit damage in pastor row as white voters slip away

But the sight of Wright calling on his congregation to sing God Damn America instead of God Bless America is not one from which Americans are going to be diverted easily. A theme that emerges from the bars and diners of white Philadelphia is suspicion that Obama's failure to disown Wright and his presence in his church for almost two decade suggests that he himself is secretly resentful towards white people. A stray comment during an interview may have helped contribute to that suspicion when he referred to his grandmother, who had voiced her concern about being mugged by a black person, as a "typical white person".

In Chickie's and Pete's restaurant and sports bar in Philadelphia, John Fernandez, a chiropractor, said Obama must have known what Wright was preaching. "How can you be that tight and not know or share some of those opinions? I was leaning toward him a little bit, but that took it over the edge," Fernandez said, hollering to be heard over the din of the bar and televised basketball game. "You got to go to another church, or you share those opinions."

[anonymous171]

18. lol old pre-richardson.

[okasha]

25. Richardson does nothing for Obama.

He's trying really, really hard to secure the VP spot for Richardson, though.

[anonymous171]

32. It does everything. Destroys the media's narrative on PA.

[okasha]

35. Wrong.

Richardson has no draw in Pennsylvania. He doesn't even have any in Texas. Forget about his "bringing in" Latinos. In my heavily Hispanic-majority Texas county he barely registered, sharing about 1% of the vote with Dodd, Biden, Kucinich and the rest of the also-rans.

The only story he hands the press is of a pathetic puppy humping his master's leg in hopes of the VP scraps.

[anonymous171]

36. So he is only good for bringing in latinos?

The media is now question why Hillary is still even in the race.

[okasha]

39. That's how he's been touted here by Obama supporters.

No, Obama supporters are still questioning why Hillary's still in the race. It's you guys who don't get that it's not over until one candidate has 2025 delegate votes. If she makes a good showing in the upcoming primaries and attracts more SD's, she's still competitive.

And no, Richardson's not going to drag a bunch of SD's over to Obama with him. Not after his obvious pathetic attempts to cadge the VP slot.

Damn, I liked the man. Now I'm just embarassed for him.

[Faygo Kid]

22. You're really clinging to this one, aren't you?

Give it a rest, rodeodance.

[rodeodance]

23. nic pic of Obama

[Orsino]

19. Give it a couple of more days.

Without fresh meat, the networks are going to get bored with it, and move on to the next gotcha on a Dem.

[Emit]

21. And, debbierlus

Have you noticed, particularly on Fox News, it's not so much they are outraged by why/how a particular comment was offensive or not, but, instead, seem to complain about how they (or whomever they're defending) can't get away with their racial comments. It seems, especially with Hannity, who is so racist, he defends whites who have made racial comments, and then denigrates anything, no matter how slight, that a person of color may have said, harping on the "Double Standard" meme.

[wiggs]

24. Great point. The condition of our public discourse is pathetic, undemocratic, and diseased. nt

[GeorgeGist]

What the hell is wrong with this nation?

RELIGION and GREED

[GeorgeGist]

27. What the hell is wrong with this nation?

RELIGION and GREED

[depakid]

28. Seems to me the swiftboat deal was even worse

it managed to turn Kerry's honorable war record into something ugly.



btw: I agree: America pretty well gets (and has gotten) the government it deserves. Double so for the 40% who don't even bother to vote.

[Skoods]

29. His comments about rape

were out of line and I will never support someone who can be "close" with a scumbag like that.

Disagree with me if you want, but you're the sick one.

[Emit]

34. What were the comments about rape?

I guess I haven't heard of those yet.

In what context were those?

[cigsandcoffee]

30. 'We should be be DEEPLY ashamed'

This isn't a good idea for a campaign slogan, IMO. It just won't play well in Ohio.

[ORDem]

31. I find it more unbelievable that Bush is still President. Says something

about this country.

[Bongo Prophet]

33. One stunningly ironic thing, is that Wright's "chickens home to roost" sermon was prophetic.

Here is the longer version, that gives at least a taste of the flow of that sermon. I pasted form another thread, but it is appropriate here. The thing is, people are too proud of their ignorance to actually LISTEN to the truth in that longer version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ

A quick rundown:

It starts the famous psalm that tells of conquered Israelites with feelings of revenge towards their Babylonian captors (Happy are those who dash YOUR children upon the rocks) to make the point that their great pain motivated them to go beyond hating the actual perptrators, and instead extend that hate to innocent children

--and then there is one of his "faith footnotes" (to give a bigger picture view, brilliant!) that runs through the history of the US injustice from our very beginnings, the remark by Peck is alluded to (not just black leaders see blowback as a reality) and Malcolm, (EVERYBODY is familiar with the Chickens/roost allusion, and responds) and then he ends the faith footnote ("y'all turn to your neighbor and say" Hilarious)

...then makes the powerful point that NOW is the time for US ALL to look closely at our OWN SOULS for guidance, and our relationship with God, rather than lash out in revenge and judgment against those who had attacked us...lest we too, like the Israelites, go beyond just seeking revenge on "soldiers" --- but also on the INNOCENTS.


THAT is undeniably powerful truth. not racist, not "blaming Americans" or any of that - but rather calling us to self reflection so that we AVOID hate and revenge.

And what did we do as a country, as a people? Well, we lashed out and killed untold thousands.
Prophetic, in BOTH meanings, as insightful truth to power AND in predicting the effects of our human weakness.

I am a non-theist, but that little excerpt showed me the measure of Rev. wright as a man worthy of respect.
And these idiot pundits don't have the intellectual curiosity to understand this, because they won't even try.
Same with those here who only want to use this brouhaha as a "gotchya" and not a learning moment.

Happy are those...

[debbierlus]

40. He is dead on. Americans need to face the truth

This county has lost its way.

[Peace Patriot]

38. How does it show the "immaturity and ignorance" of America, as opposed to

the deliberate propaganda, and attempted brainwashing and divisiveness, of the war profiteering corporate news monopolies and the five billionaire fascist CEOs who control all news and opinion in the country?

I really think we MUST try to make this distinction--what their agenda is (demoralizing the progressive majority), and the unreal fascist fantasy America that they portray (and want to convince us is us), versus, what most Americans really think. For instance, polls indicate a whopping, unprecedented 60+ to 70% majority of Americans opposed to the Iraq war and wanting it ended--up from a significant 56% majority opposed to the war at the beginning (Feb 03--NYT poll; other polls 54-55%). Do you see this huge antiwar majority reflected in the corporate news media? Did you see that significant antiwar majority reflected in the news in Feb 03, just before the war?

The "news" is highly manipulated, and tightly controlled, by fascist bad guys. A good example of how this works is the CBS execs who failed to back Dan Rather on Bush's AWOL in the Texas National Guard--even though the story was true--not because one of the documents was of questionable venue, but because, as Dan Rather revealed in his lawsuit against them, they said that Bush getting elected was "in our interest" (meaning financial interest). These fascist pigs were manipulating the "news" to make it seem as if saluting George Bush's codpiece was "patriotic" and voting for Kerry to clean up that disaster, end the war and bring our troops home was the "weak" position of man who didn't earn his medals in his military service. But that is not the end of their lies and disinformation. What they were doing was creating a plausible narrative for a stolen election!

So, when you rail against the "arrogance of the American people," or our "laziness" (complicity in murder and slaughter), I think you are, 1) not correctly identifying the problem, and 2) possibly adding to the problem by heaping abuse on demoralized, disenfranchised people, who are, indeed, angry at their government--and have been for some time--and go out and vote, and nothing changes--a bewildered people who need information--and heartening--not abuse.

I think the Rev. Wright makes an error, too--in his cries of anguish, such as "God damn America." He doesn't wish harm on his country or its people. He is crying out at injustice. Albert Camus put it more eloquently--but it is the same sentiment:

"I should like to be able to love my country and still love justice. I don't want just any greatness for it, particularly a greatness born of blood and falsehood. I want to keep it alive by keeping justice alive." --Albert Camus ("Resistance, Rebellion and Death")

But, because Rev. Wright speaks a rawer Old Testament language, he requires some interpretation, which, of course, the war profiteering corporate news monopolies fail to supply. He is like an Old Testament prophet, crying the wilderness against the sins of the people of Israel. (As I've suggested before, Barack Obama should simply say this: "Rev. Wright is Old Testament. I'm New Testament. Get it?")

Instead, the fascist news monopolies play up statements like these, of Rev. Wright's, as incendiary, to instill more fear in all of us, to "divide and conquer" the great progressive American majority, and in particular the Democratic Party. A Democrat in the White House would not be "in their interest." Such a president might try to balance our interests--the interests of we, the people--against those of the global corporate predators and the uber-rich. They want it all. They don't want any balance. So they play up every divisive issue, they try to widen every fissure in our society, and--I greatly fear--they are again writing a narrative for another stolen election. They will use anything--whatever comes to hand--for this purpose.

We need to understand that it isn't real--what they obsess on, and try to convince us of, about our fellow/sister Americans, is not a true description of our people or our country. It is extremely manipulative. What real journalism would do is put the Rev. Wright's remarks in context, and try to foster understanding and communication, and they would furthermore take a strong Constitutional stance that religious tests for political candidates are verboten. They are a violation of the First Amendment and the separation of church and state. Religion is a private matter. Catholic politicians go to a church that treats women like second class citizens. Should they be blamed for what priests and preachers say? But where do we hear this voice of reason and objectivity and this valuing of the First Amendment in the corporate media? They are not journalists. They are shills for corporate profiteering and thievery and warmongering and powermongering.

The American people need to be informed, heartened and awakened, not condemned for what they don't know, or can't do, under fascist coup conditions. Please keep this in mind, and try to make this distinction between the impression of things that you get from these fascist brainwashers, and what is really true about our people and our country.

[ConcernedCanuk]

41. This is peanuts - doncha remember all the kerfuffle over one brief view of JJ's tit?

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Now THAT the MSMedia covered with no end in sight

ONE BOOB transfixed the nation for months.

While another one ruins the nation

No big deal.