Do We Need a Mandate to Make Hillary Pay Her Health Insurance Bills?

[Stephanie]

What should the penalty be if she doesn't pay?

DEBTS BY VENDOR

HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT
PO Box 101436
Arlington, Virginia 22210

FEC Committee ID #: C00431569
This report contains activity for a Primary Election
Report type: February Monthly

Filed 02/20/2008

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DEBTS

Aetna Healthcare....................213,085.25
CareFirst BlueCross BlueShield......299,455.02

among others


http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M2/C00431569/D_DEBTS_C00431569.html

[DJ13]

1. I think we need to garnish her Senate paycheck

Its not just the poor who can be deadbeats on insurance, is it Hillary?

[Stephanie]

3. A lien on her wages?

Like the IRS?

[sandnsea]

5. Hell put it right on her bank account

Her Senate salary isn't enough to cover this kind of debt.

[rainbow4321]

2. Nice indirect way of taking $500,000 from the healthcare insurance industry

Wonder what she is promising them in return?

[grantcart]

4. good catch. Total Obama accounts payable 600,000 for everything

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

6. Good Lord. She still owes $6055 to the Iowa State Fair

They didn't vote for her, screw 'em.

[rainbow4321]

14. And all the different schools/school districts that she used

Go thru Feb and March IOU's. Look at how many are still waiting to get paid.
What has paid for her little visits upfront?? The local TAXpayers who pay for these schools...they get to foot the bill so she doesn't have to! Think it would be a really good thing to see some of these taxpayers on TV asking WHY their tax money is going to HRC photo ops.
She's done the same to universities. Use their campus facilities and then blows out of town, bill unpaid. Again, who's $$ paid for these photo ops and townhall settings/building rental fees? Taxpayers (for the public universities, anyway) and student fees/tuition!

[Cha]

15. elton john better get cracking with his fundraiser

for hilary..

"Campaign Organizing, LLC 107,743.85"

[Stephanie]

49. Yeah, that'll do it.

How are those ticket sales working out? Any idea?

[KittyWampus]

7. can someone explain this to me like I'm stupid. please.

[Stephanie]

12. Health Care Mandates Are for the Little People

[OzarkDem]

28. What an incredibly ignorant statement

Universal health care is vital for our future and using it to score cheap political points is despicable. Nothing new for an Obama supporter.

[Stephanie]

51. Well that's clearly your candidate's POV.

She would mandate that you and I purchase health insurance and pay our bills on time, but when it's Hillary that has to pay, there is no such mandate. She'll pay if and when she has the dough. You and I won't be getting that kind of deal from OUR insurance vendors.

[UALRBSofL]

8. I'm sure Tony Rezko would loan her the money

:rofl:

[cali]

11. my goodness, do you actually think that means anything

or that it deflects from her being a deadbeat- on her employees healthcare insurance, no less. Poor you.

[Barack_America]

9. Quick! Somebody call Dubai before her employees lose their insurance!

Bill needs another speaking/consulting gig ASAP!

[Cha]

10. Yeah, she's real good and worth every penny..

"Anne Lewis Strategies, LLC 24,850.00" :silly:

[peace13]

13. Seriously...how does she get away with it?

At my company if my payment is late the policy is canceled. The 'grace period amounts to two weeks and that is the time the bill comes and the end of the month. No wonder these people don't understand our concerns out here. We can't float the bills until we feel like paying them.

[uberblonde]

16. You all have no idea how a national campaign is run.

They often operate on credit, because the contributions run in cycles. This isn't a "loan" or contribution from the insurers, it's a standard practice.

And by the way, it's astounding that you're criticizing her for this when it's to her credit that she insures the people who work for her.

A lot of campaigns don't. You'd be surprised.

[Stephanie]

17. Most of us don't get credit from our health insurance companies.

Does your company allow you to pay late?

If we enacted Hillary's heatlh insurance mandate, do you think the insurance companies would give us credit when we didn't have the cash to pay? Hillary has said there would need to be a penalty.

[rainbow4321]

18. If she is not paying the insurance BILL

then she is not PAYING for the insurance.

1/2 a million bucks we're talking here...


Look at her list and Obama's list side by side. He's running a national campaign, too, last time I checked. His TOTAL debt is $600,000 for his whole campaign. HERS is $500,000 JUST to 2 health insurance companies.

She can't even seem to feed her own people..look at all those Hy-Vee bills (food store). Are Obama's people just not eating (for how many months now?). No, THEY probably just paying their BILLS and managing their donors' money.


From HRC's list:

Hy-Vee #1 959.39
Hy-Vee #1101 997.12
Hy-Vee #1109 704.09
Hy-Vee #1192 556.22
Hy-Vee #1759 1,350.47
Hy-Vee #1866 1,057.89
Hy-Vee #1895 1,314.00
Hy-Vee Food Store 1,452.96
Hy-Vee, Inc. 716.20

[Stephanie]

19. Hillary's INSURANCE debt is $500,000. Barack's TOTAL debt is $600,000

[rainbow4321]

26. Sorry, I went back and edited/clarified...

Meant to say what you said in comparing his total campaign debt being $600,000 and her's being $500,000 JUST to the 2 insurance companies.


Thanks for starting this thread, BTW..I had posted the insurance info in other threads cuz I had already blew thru my "you can only start 3 threads in a 24 hour period"!!

[Debi]

30. Several of her precinct captains picked up food from Hy-Vee stores

and charged it to the campagin to feed caucus-goers on January 3rd. (When was the last time you could charge for food at the grocery store and NOT pay the bill 75 days later?)

[rainbow4321]

48. Good grief

Those poor local store owners having to foot the bill. Guess HRC she thinks she can use her rock star status and no one will think twice when she tells them to bend over.

Wonder who in her camp gets to pick and choose who gets paid each month. Pretty shitty judgement calls on their part.

[AZBlue]

23. Then how come Obama's campaign's A/P total is only $600K?

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[Debi]

33. That's awful

You'd really hope that another person got sick and didn't have health care coverage because you don't agree with what they post on an internet forum. What do you do when your friends/family piss you off?

[OzarkDem]

38. People who deliberately do harm to uninsured Americans

by playing politcal games that hurt chances for passage of universal health care deserve as much scorn as we can heap on them.

[Debi]

40. scorn is one thing - look back at your post n/t

[OzarkDem]

43. Failure is a good teacher

Some people apparently won't learn how to choose candidates based on the issues until they become victims of their mistakes and misdeeds. I could sit here for the next ten years and present valid arguments and evidence to Obama supporters about how he is hurting our chances for universal health care reform, but they won't be convinced until they find out for themselves. So be it. That's their choice.

[Stephanie]

46. lovely

[Hepburn]

58. Your post is not merely hateful, it is evil.

Why in the world would you wish something like this on anyone? Do you have a clue what Karma is all about? Look up the Rule of Three some time. You really should not bring misfortune on yourself and your loved ones by wishing this upon someone else. Things in life have a way of coming full cirle ~~ when you work to do evil, it usually comes back in very ugly ways.

Go and heal yourself, OK? What you said is way out of line.

[Debi]

27. All Democratic presidential campaigns carry health insurance coverage

for their employees - Obama seems able to pay his staff's monthly health insurance costs.

[OzarkDem]

32. Their ignorance knows no bounds

They are pathetically uninformed on many, many issues, as is their candidate.

[Debi]

35. Like on Obama's paying for his campaign staff's health insurance costs?

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M3/C00431445/B_PAYEE_C00431445.html

Aetna 203,517.22

[OzarkDem]

36. Like Obama sabotaging future efforts for universal health care

by using GOP talking points that will even undercut his own puny plan. He's shown time and again he cares nothing about health care reform and only wants to use it for political advantage. Its one of the main reasons I don't support him.

[Debi]

39. But you support a candidate who doesn't pay her staff for 60 days

AFTER they've performed their job duties? Who doesn't pay her health insurance obligations? Who doesn't pay small vendors for the food/services they provided her campaign?

Good choice.

[OzarkDem]

44. We're talking health care reform and your candidate

and the warped enthusiasm of his supporters to play political games that hurt chances of getting universal health care reform in a lame (and unsuccessful) attempt to score cheap political points.

Tell me, would you also twist some silly report to advocate for the death of US soldiers in Iraq?

[Stephanie]

47. Hillary's version of "universal health care" is that she will mandate that YOU BUY insurance

And yet here she finds herself in a position where she is unable to pay her own insurance bill, a position that is familiar to a lot of people. Under Hillary's "plan" those unable to pay the mandated insurance policy would be faced with some kind of penalty, possibly a fine or a garnishment of wages. How does she expect every single American to meet this mandate when she herself can't manage it on her own campaign? Meanwhile she has no problem spending her donors' money at the Bel Air hotel.

[democrattotheend]

54. How is this ignorant?

You might be right that she is not actually delinquent on her employees' healthcare...my mom thought that might just be the premiums for one month. Can you explain why this thread is wrong instead of insulting people?

[Stephanie]

57. It appears she made a payment to Blue Cross in Feb but nothing to Aetna

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DISBURSEMENTS BY PURPOSE

COMMITTEE INSURANCE 295,765.10

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M2/C00431569/B_PURPOSE_C00431569.html

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DISBURSEMENTS BY PAYEE


CareFirst BlueCross BlueShield 294,344.10

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M2/C00431569/B_PAYEE_C00431569.html

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[Hepburn]

56. Want to talk ignorance?

There it is in black and white with a link...Hillary did not pay the health insurance bills for her campaign.

If there is any ignorance, it is about an employer letting the health care coverage of an employee lapse.

[slinkerwink]

20. and she claims to support universal health care?

[OzarkDem]

31. Its what makes her better than Obama

he doesn't support universal health care. How do you defend that?

[slinkerwink]

34. she doesn't even pay healthcare for her own employees!

How can you defend that?

[OzarkDem]

37. Apparently you know nothing about a balance sheet

please keep entertaining us with your ignorance.

And here's to hoping you end up uninsured, too.

[Debi]

41. Obama pays his health insurance bills on time. n/t

[OzarkDem]

42. And he's working to kill universal health insurance

which makes him a dishonorable and untrustworthy candidate.

[ekwhite]

21. She can't afford to...

Penn, Schoen & Berland Assoc. 2,106,900.00

I also noticed she owes someone named Keith White 1168.80. Hmm...

[Stephanie]

52. She owes Penn $2M and in the Expenses list she has paid him $4M

Penn is dining on truffles and caviar while Blue Cross is waiting for their payment.

[OzarkDem]

22. We need universal health care

We don't need candidates who play political games that hurt chances of getting it and supporters who treat a serious issue as nothing more than political fodder.

Speaks volumes about the lack of good judgement of Obama supporters and their insistence on giving important issues short shrift.

Try pissing on another issue. Leave universal health care reform alone.

[Vinca]

50. We need universal, SINGLE PAYER healthcare, not the

insurance schemes proposed by both candidates. If she can't pay her insurance bills, how does she expect the rest of us poor slobs to do it?

[DerekJ]

24. She is a walking disaster .. I will take Bush's economy over hers.

:rofl:

[OzarkDem]

29. Vote for Obama and you'll keep getting Bush's economy

They have the same backers and advisors.

[DerekJ]

45. OzarkDem: With all due respect I think Obama's choice of advisors has

been proven to be far superior to Hillary's.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

53. Yet Another Mind Numbingly Ignorant Thread. What A Shocker.

So petty and so stupid.

[democrattotheend]

55. Is she actually delinquent on the premiums, or is this just one months' worth?

They have over 700 people working for the campaign, though I am sure not all of them are paid staff who get health insurance (all campaigns rely on interns and volunteers). So could this be the current months' premiums, or is she definitely delinquent on past premiums? Does anyone know if her employees have had their coverage cancelled or denied because of delinquent bills?

[Stephanie]

59. We have no way of knowing that, really. My point was that she's touting a MANDATE

When she herself is apparently unable to pay her premiums on time. Yet she would penalize US for the same problem.

I looked at her disbursements and it appears she made a payment to Blue Cross but not to Aetna. But we don't have enough information to determine what the outstanding balances apply to.

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DISBURSEMENTS BY PURPOSE

COMMITTEE INSURANCE 295,765.10

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M2/C00431569/B_PURPOSE_C00431569.html

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DISBURSEMENTS BY PAYEE


CareFirst BlueCross BlueShield 294,344.10

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M2/C00431569/B_PAYEE_C00431569.html

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