Barack Obama is the nominee, the in-fighting needs to end, NOW. n/t

[stevietheman]

n/t

[BumRushDaShow]

1. Amen! n/t

[billbuckhead]

3. Hillary's opponent can't win the required amount of delegates with the people's vote

The primary is a failure.

[Johnny__Motown]

7. He is closer than your candidate, she is the failure

[LordJFT]

8. neither could Mondale, he was still the nominee

[fightthegoodfightnow]

17. Hillary Clinton Can't Win with the Party Rules so She Tries to Change Them

All of which makes your claim of moral and self righteous superiority regarding the 'people' sound quaint.

I used to support Hillary Clinton and find now find myself asking why.

[BeatleBoot]

2. 2,024 yet?

I didn't think so.

Next!

[Johnny__Motown]

9. Lots closer than she is.. you should like Huckabee

[rodeodance]

47. 'close' does not cut the cake

[JoFerret]

73. They could get an opinion from Ted Kennedy

about going all the way to the convention.

[papau]

4. 75% of Hillary voters say they will not vote for Obama after his smears and lies and hate campaign

[L0oniX]

14. That's because Hillarat voters are mostly repuke wannabees.

The Clintons brought the party to the right and lost a lot of dem seats when they were in power. We don't need more rats like Lieberman in our party.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

19. Bravo

and well said.

[Bake]

43. "Hillarats?"

Is that what you think of half the Democratic Party?

Juvenile name-calling. Is that all you got? 'Cause you're no Democrat.

Bake

[fightthegoodfightnow]

49. What Part is Not True?

S/He wrote: 'The Clintons brought the party to the right and lost a lot of dem seats when they were in power. We don't need more rats like Lieberman in our party.'

What part of that is not true?

[L0oniX]

55. Thanks for the support ...it gets lonely on DU sometimes.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

56. I Hear You

I originally joined DU thinking what is the big deal....... it'll be boring.

Silly me....... I've come to realize that many of us feel isolated from the party we claim.

I truly believe that Obama panders to people's best hopes and Clinton panders to people's worse fears.

She missed her calling. The nomination was hers, but she was silly to dismiss critics of her war policy or America's unhappiness with the status quo of which she is a major part of.

[rodeodance]

50. Name-calling is divisive and immature.

[JoFerret]

75. Can't win without them

And your calling them names does not make it true (let alone right). Do you enjoy being so foul?

[Nitrogenica]

41. Listen to yourself. You're acting like a child.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

71. Prove it. You pull a number out of thin air that has no shred of credibility.

Why should anyone believe a word of what you say?

[DiverDave]

5. It's a good thought, but futile

as the 2 above show...I suspect they are not Democrats anyway.

If they were, they would agree with you.

[zabet]

26. So, any Democrat who does not

bow down and support Obama when
he has NOT gotten the nomination,
are not Democrats? Bullshit.

Every time an Obama supporter says
this it reminds me of 'an idiotic
hurricane on a stupidity rampage
through a trailer park... throwing
bits of pointless bullshit everywhere.'

[fightthegoodfightnow]

46. Reality

Obama has gotten more votes and more delegates than Clinton.

Every time a Clinton supporter says otherwise, they are denying facts.

I acknowledge they might know more about hurricanes, trailer parks or other pointless bullshit.

[zabet]

59. Reality.

The primaries are not over.
Obama has not gotten what he
needs to be the definitive
nominee. Every time an Obama
supporter says otherwise, they
are denying facts.

The hurricanes, trailer parks and
stringing useless bullshit about,
pertains more here to the Obama
supporters simply because there
are more of them. All the hope,
unity and free ponies scared off
a lot of long time DUers.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

60. Like I Said

Obama has gotten more votes and more delegates than Clinton.

Every time a Clinton supporter says otherwise, they are denying facts.

[Barack_America]

6. We should take Richardson's cue and just move on...

...whether she drops out or not.

I thought that was a clever when he said that it was time to rally around Barack, but no, he wasn't necessarily telling Hillary to drop out.

She's becoming more and more like Huckabee.

[monicaaida]

10. hillary

her plan is to damage obama so bad the super del, cut him off, or that he loses to j-mccain, either way john mccain is our next president

[OzarkDem]

11. Does he have 2,025 pledged delegates?

No he doesn't, that means he's not the nominee.

The "inevitability" stuff isn't working.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

30. And Clinton Won't Either

Look for her to 'rewrite' the rules regarding Michigan and Florida all of which only affirms she has more in common with King George than the Democratic Party.

[OzarkDem]

35. That's why its going to the convention

where the decision will be made based on which candidate can win against McCain.

Party first.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

37. Hogwash

You write: "The decision will be made based on which candidate can win against McCain?"

What is that? Clinton talk for fear mongering?

I'm so sick of this sh*t that if Clinton and her supporters keep this up, I'll be the one voting for Obama as a write in.

[rodeodance]

52. and i sick of obamafolk calling Bo the nominee.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

54. Just for Clarification

Who has more votes?
Who has more delegates?
Who supports the party rules regarding Florida and Michigan?

For the record, Barrack Obama is not the party nominee but he certainly acts like one better than Billary Clinton and her fear mongering.

[rodeodance]

61. news flash. It is the primary season

[fightthegoodfightnow]

80. Good for You

I have no doubt you are very smart.

[Heathen57]

77. You have got to be kidding

Party first?!? Hillary hasn't thought of the party since she was first elected to the Senate.

She doesn't give a damn about the Party or the members of the party. "Those states don't count." comes to mind right away. Her votes in the senate also show that she cares little for anyone who is not in her Washington insider's circle of Multi-millionaires and Corporate lobbyists.

From what I have seen, she talks like she cares, but her actions prove otherwise. The only thing Hillary cares about is Hillary being crowned President. And now after being beaten by Obama in most of the states (the ones that don't count, remember) she is trying to use tactics straight from the Rove playbook and steal the nomination.

Sad really, this could have been such a good race, real issues talked about, etc. But instead we got the kitchen sink, scorched-earth, race baiting.

[BumRushDaShow]

12. Ahh... I see some of my "ignored" folks are kicking this thread.

:rofl:

Keep responding!

[musicblind]

63. double post

dp

[musicblind]

64. There is nothing more childish than pointing out that you have people on ignore

I know a mod said earlier that we weren't allowed to tell people if we were alerting their threads. Don't know if that applies to ignoring them or not Ignore is a sister word to ignorance. Never brag about ignorance. People should tolerate what others have to say no matter how vile. That doesn't mean you can't shout back. Those people who tolerate, then get to require that the person they tolerated return the favor. ;)

[medeak]

13. Hillary is needed to be the tenacious aggressive force in congress

for a dem administration...so yes...stop the fighting...we all need to heal and work for the greater cause

[Generic Brad]

25. And will she also help get Dems elected in all 50 states?

Because we need more Democrats in Congress and the Senate if we're to have a truly successful Democratic administration. Her "big state only" strategy only helps Hillary Clinton.

[medeak]

27. try to be positive and healing and jeeesssus.. get this shit

come on everyone..either go independent or vote for McCain or....get on board with the dnc

[fightthegoodfightnow]

42. I Readily Admit I am Failing at the Task

That's why I support Obama.

He's a better man than I will ever be.

Hillary Clinton's conduct in defeat has been eye-opening for me. Her best strategy is right out of a Karl Rove play book.

How ironic that what happened to McCain by the Bush campaign is EXACTLY what happened to the Obama campaign by the Clinton campaign in South Carolina.

I guess fear mongering and racism crosses party lines.

[mtnsnake]

15. Hillary will be handing Obama his ass on a silver platter on her way to becoming President

Only then will you be able to unite behind the Goddess of Peace. You should feel honored.

[PresidentObama]

18. Did you fail math class, mtnsnake?

[OzarkDem]

24. Did you?

[fightthegoodfightnow]

32. Tell Us

Who has more delegates today?

[psychopomp]

68. Your post is soooo over-the-top

I can't take you seriously. You were one of the last few users I had listened to amongst the more vociferous and often tedious Clinton supporters on DU, but no longer. ciao.

[Skip Intro]

16. Yet another one scared of our own Democratic process. These threads come around like clockwork.

Does Obama have 2024 delegates? No? Well then I guess that means he has not won. No one has, yet.

Why do you fear allowing the process that has given your guy a lead to play out?

[fightthegoodfightnow]

23. Fear?

Laughing VERY hard.

Hillary Clinton has done NOTHING but run a campaign of fear mongering.

Me think you doth protest too much.

[Skip Intro]

33. Why the rush to declare a nominee before we have one?

Glad I could give you a chuckle. Can you address the question now?


Hillary didn't compare Obama to gouliani and romney. Hillary didn't call Obama "bush/cheney lite." Hillary didn't call Obama untrustworthy, or dishonest. Obama said those things about her. And, as we saw, his spiritual mentor of twenty years damned Hillary for being white, as if she was public enemy number one of the AA community.

Where has Hillary run a "fear-mongering" campaign?

And why the rush to call the nomination before it has been won?

[fightthegoodfightnow]

34. Fear Mongering Hillary

All that crap about experience, which Bill Clinton never had when he was GOVERNOR of Arkansas, makes her stomping her chest about 'experience' make me want to barf.

Why rush to judgment?

No....... not rushing to judgment. Just voting. I voted in DC and changed my vote from Clinton to Obama after the pathetic and arguably racist fear mongering Billary (I thought I was voting for a Presidential candidate and not a Presidential couple) in South Carolina.

Hillary Clinton panders to people's worst fears and I for one have had it. She presumed that she had to be 'strong on defense' to be elected as a woman and I found that incredibly sexist.

You write: 'Hillary didn't call Obama untrustworthy, or dishonest.'

No, she just questioned his patriotism and religion.

Enough. She is NO different from Bush and she has certainly not voted much differently.

[Skip Intro]

36. Well I wasn't expecting any links and I wasn't disappointed. It's pretty much all your opinion, then

yes?

Obama can say he's new and fresh and offers change, and call Hillary "status quo" but damn Hillary for trying to say there's an important quality in having been around for awhile. How dare she???!!!

Billary, eh? Says more than I want to know about you.

Btw, if you'd like, I'll give you another opportunity to back up your assertions that she has run a fear-mongering campaign, or played the race card in SC (frickin the Obama crowd did that when they twisted Bill's use of the phrase "fairy tale"), or that she questioned his religion or patriotism. Can you back any of that up or do you just spew accusations and move on?


She is "NO different from bush" - ???!!!

"NO DIFFERENT?"

Back your shit up, please.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

39. Back It Up?

Already have.

I changed my vote from Clinton to Obama two weeks before the primary.

Clinton did nothing to further her campaign when her husband's voice becomes louder than hers.

Clinton's 'experience' doesn't mean squat if it doesn't bring about change and in six years in the Senate, we have seen little from her to bring it about.

The only candidate using race or sex for not winning is the Clinton campaign.

[Skip Intro]

44. Hello? I asked you to back up your assertions against Hillary. You so far have not.

Can you?

[fightthegoodfightnow]

45. Sure

Already have.

I changed my vote from Clinton to Obama two weeks before the primary.

Clinton did nothing to further her campaign when her husband's voice becomes louder than hers.

Clinton's 'experience' doesn't mean squat if it doesn't bring about change and in six years in the Senate, we have seen little from her to bring it about.

The only candidate using race or sex for not winning is the Clinton campaign.

[Skip Intro]

48. Oy. So many links, where to start??? If that's all you got, I'll need to be moving on. Last chance..

to prove what you say...

[fightthegoodfightnow]

53. Move Along

So will America.

[Skip Intro]

57. Happy trails, sunshine. I will always remember your substance...

...as being about the same as that of your political messiah.

And so will America.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

58. Not to Worry "Sunshine"

An Obama administration is sure to rename Reagan Airport..... Clinton Airport.

It gets my vote.

[Political Heretic]

67. Now now children, play nice.

[Political Heretic]

66. Because every day we continue this pointless in-fighting, we weaken both candidates and the party

for the general.

That's why.

[bridgit]

20. n/t

[slinkerwink]

21. amen!

[Scurrilous]

22. K & R

:thumbsup:

[sueragingroz]

28. No. /nt

[depakid]

29. Little temper tantrums speak more about the posters than the state of politics

Stomp your feet and holler all you want, but, depending on the outcomes in the states yet to vote, chances are pretty fair that the nomination will be decided at the convention.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

31. Only If Clinton Successfully Rewrites the Party Rules

Clinton will attempt to change, modify or re-interpret party rules regarding Florida and Michigan in a way that suggests she and her supporters are the 'stomping their feet' and acting 'holier than thou.'

[depakid]

38. The better solution would have been a fair revote

at a later date.

That unfortunately didn't happen, so the two states' parties' leadership has to live with the consequences of their decisions (it may be costly, but some discipline had to be imposed- or Americans would end up voting or caucusing during Thanksgiving.... or at the end of the Christmas Holidays).

Oh, wait....

To the extent the Obama campaign (or supporters on GD-P) thwarted or opposed revotes, they're hardly in a position to whinge and complain. Hillary's delegates from those farces won't be counted (not should they be) -yet by the same token, one can't turn around and with an honest face, have it both ways.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

40. Better Solution?

How about just abiding by the Party rules?

Is that too much to ask for from a Democratic candidate?

[Bonobo]

51. The "fighting" here is over when Skinner says it is and not one second before it. N/T

[ClayZ]

62. K and R

[Political Heretic]

65. I almost wish Hillary was in Obama's position so I could say the same thing

and people would take me seriously.

Of course no one believes this, in this current GD: P climate, but if roles were reversed, and Hillary had the most pledged delegates, the most popular vote and the most states one and there was essentially no chance of Obama becoming the nominee, I would absolutely want him to drop out yesterday, and I would be pretty frustrated with him for staying in for what could only be described as personal ego totally disregarding what's best for the party.

[FrenchieCat]

69. Hey! I'm in your sig line!

Kewl! :hi:

[Political Heretic]

79. Yes, and you know that's not a jab at you right??

Just a funny irony of having those two threads right next to each other that I just had to capture!

I love you, you're one of my favorite posters. :)

[CatnHat]

70. This is laughable

now it's just because "richardson" says so; give me a break. :rofl:

I suspect the only reason why Richardson endorsed Obama is he is hoping for the VP slot. It's all about politics.

I suggest Obama (and for that matter Richardson, as well)take their own advice and stop their in-fighting as far as seating FL. Quit disenfranchising voters in FL. The Democratic Committee had left the decision in the hands of the parties, and Obama had fought it every step of the way. Someone should really ask Obama if rules are more important than the voters in FL. Maybe someday Obama just might need the voters in FL and MI; and that would just be too bad for the democratic party.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

74. All the data supports the OP. Your disruption is clearly evident in its purpose.

No one takes you seriously here.

[CatnHat]

76. Whatever

I couldn't care less about your opinion, but I am entitled to mine.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

78. .

[JoFerret]

72. Lets count the votes

Then it will be over.

Meanwhile toning it all down a notch would be a good thing all round

[bigtree]

81. He still hasn't gained the necessary amount of delegates to 'win'

I don't know of any contest where someone failed to meet the threshold of votes needed to nominate and just assumed victory anyway.

[Kablooie]

82. Until she concedes there is no way it will stop.

It will only get worse.

The more desperate her chances, the more volatile the response.

[MethuenProgressive]

83. It won't Steve. The new Obama followers will continue to attack those who supported other candidates

Democratic Underground is just junior high on the internet.

[Freedom Train]

84. Is it August 29 yet?

Because if it ain't, then nobody is our nominee, and you stating anything else won't change that fact. I can state with 99% certainty that our nominee will be either Barack or Hillary though, if that makes you feel any better. Take care, and I'll see you late August!