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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:02 PM
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Who here has heard of Emil Jones?
If you haven't yet, you will... he's the latest in a growing line if skeletons that seem to be leaking out of :obama's closet...

From the UK press: (a balanced article all in all with some interesting highlights)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3602710.ece

From The Sunday Times March 23, 2008 Barack Obama: toxic mentors start to corrode pristine campaign
The Democrat was surging ahead but now revelations about the men who helped shape him are putting voters off
Long before Barack Obama launched his campaign for the White House, when he was considering a run for the US Senate in 2003, he paid an intriguing visit to a former Chicago sewers inspector who had risen to become one of the most influential African-American politicians in Illinois.

“You have the power to elect a US senator,” Obama told Emil Jones, Democratic leader of the Illinois state senate. Jones looked at the ambitious young man smiling before him and asked, teasingly: “Do you know anybody I could make a US senator?”

According to Jones, Obama replied: “Me.” It was his first, audacious step in a spectacular rise from the murky political backwaters of Springfield, the Illinois capital.

The exchange also sealed an intimate personal and political relationship that is likely to attract intense scrutiny amid the furore over Obama’s links to some of Chicago’s most controversial political and religious power brokers.

Obama has often described Jones as a key political mentor whose patronage was crucial to his early success in a state long dominated by near-feudal party political machines. Jones, 71, describes himself as Obama’s “godfather” and once said: “He feels like a son to me.”

Like the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, the outspoken pastor of Obama’s Chicago church, and like Tony Rezko, the millionaire fundraiser and former friend of Obama who is on trial for corruption, Jones is in danger of becoming a hindrance to his protégé’s presidential ambitions.

For almost a year Jones has used his position as leader of the state senate to block anticorruption legislation passed unanimously by the state’s lower house. He has also become embroiled in ethical controversies concerning his wife’s job and his stepson’s business.

<snip>

(The) intensifying scrutiny may soon lead to Jones’s Illinois door, and to further uncomfortable insights into the unflattering political realities that accompanied Obama’s climb from obscurity.

At one point during Obama’s 2003 Senate campaign, Jones set out to woo two African-American politicians miffed by Obama’s presumption and ambition. One of them, Rickey “Hollywood” Hendon, a state senator, had scoffed that Obama was so ambitious he would run for “king of the world” if the position were vacant.

When Jones secured the two men’s support, Obama asked his mentor how he had pulled it off. “I made them an offer,” Jones said in mock-mafioso style. “And you don’t want to know.”


Jones is now at the centre of a long row over his attempt to block proposed laws cracking down on his state’s “pay-to-play” tradition – whereby companies hoping to win government contracts have to contribute to the campaign funds of officials.

Jones’s staff say he blocked the bill because he intends to produce something tougher. No proposals have appeared.

Cynthia Canary, an activist against corruption who is fighting to have the laws passed, says Obama had little choice as an Illinois politician but to deal with an ethically dubious regime. “You hold your nose and work through the system,” she said.

Yet she also thinks America is being done a disservice by those who portray Obama as somehow above the uglier wheeler-dealing of politics. “He’s a pragmatic politician, and in the end if you think that he’s superman, your heart is going to get broken.”
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:05 PM
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1. Obama is Jones "made man".
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:02 AM
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43. Yes, he's a political fixer big-time. And Emil made Obama.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:07 PM
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2. Hillary's opponent actually has a mentor arguably worse than reverend Wright?
What's next? Sweetheart property deals from crooks?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:07 AM
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46. Shame on you for promoting the Foxed up smear of Wright.
And welcome to my ignore list. You'll be happy among your peers.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:16 PM
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83. If that's the *ignored* I think it is, shame is a foreign concept to that one.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:38 AM
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58. Those sweeetheart "boneheaded" deals already happened.
LOL, a certain 1.3 million dollar mansion on the south side of Chicago, straight from the horse's, excuse me, Obama's mouth. Or a 1.6 million dollar mansion, depending on if a fixer on federal trial right now decides to buy a side lot for you.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:07 PM
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3. Obama's political godfather,
telling people that they didn't owe anything to the Clintons, that Obama is "their son," and urging the black community to support him.

That Emil Jones?
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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:08 PM
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5. yep that would be the one ;)
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:32 AM
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56. I have another article that is pretty detailed of the Emil/Barak deals
I have to find it though. It's pretty detailed as I recall and very eye-opening.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:31 AM
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63. This might be it.
Jones appointed Obama sponsor of virtually every high-profile piece of legislation, angering many rank-and-file state legislators who had more seniority than Obama and had spent years championing the bills.

"I took all the beatings and insults and endured all the racist comments over the years from nasty Republican committee chairmen," state Senator Rickey Hendon, the original sponsor of landmark racial profiling and videotaped confession legislation yanked away by Jones and given to Obama, complained to me at the time. "Barack didn't have to endure any of it, yet, in the end, he got all the credit.

"I don't consider it bill jacking," Hendon told me. "But no one wants to carry the ball 99 yards all the way to the 1-yard line and then give it to the halfback who gets all the credit and the stats in the record book."

During his seventh and final year in the Illinois Senate, Obama's stats soared. He sponsored a whopping 26 bills passed into law-including many he now cites in his presidential campaign when attacked as inexperienced. It was a stunning achievement that started him on the path of national politics, and he couldn't have done it without Jones.


http://dallasobserver.com/2008-02-28/news/obama-and-me/2
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:10 PM
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7. Please. Obama only became his son when Obama became successful.
But please... go ahead and attempt another smear.
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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:16 PM
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8. I'm not attempting anything
I'm posting an article from the UK press that seems to be warning us about the "next" scandal...
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:21 PM
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9. And the UK press would know better than the Chicago media, I suppose.
BTW, Emil Jones is my former rep.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:22 PM
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10. Especially a Murdoch publication...
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 10:51 PM
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38. Murdoch. Repub who helped fund Hillary. What a surprise he's against Obama! I'm shocked!
I'm shocked, I tell you! Shocked!

:wow:
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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:25 PM
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13. they still have something resembling a media over there /nt
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:26 PM
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14. I repeat... and they know something the right-wing Chi Sun-Times doesn't?
Weak.
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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:29 PM
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15. I don't understand... where are you going with this?
Are you saying that the UK press is incapable of reporting on Obama's past?
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:38 PM
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19. How are you drawing the conclusion that this is "the latest in a growing line of skeletons?"
There is no point to your post other than to suggest Obama is tied to an Emil Jones related scandal.

Which he isn't.

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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:53 PM
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23. He's not directly tied... but this guy is ANOTHER one of his mentors...
trust me... people are going to start connecting the dots and will sense a theme.

"it's ok because this was just dirty chicago politics" - a politics that Obama did nothing to transcend.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 10:34 PM
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30. Emil Jones is NOT any sort of personal mentor to Barack Obama. Please.
Edited on Sat Mar-22-08 11:32 PM by Tatiana
Chicago politics is dirty and many times ugly. But I've never seen Obama do the things that most around here do to get ahead.

Emil Jones was President of the IL Senate. You didn't introduce a bill much less get one passed unless you went through him. He presided with an iron fist. If only our own Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid had some of that discipline. This is how politics usually works. This is how Emil got funding for community health organizations and clinics funded; this is how some of his social justice initiatives got passed when he originally did not have the votes.

Obama came into the IL Senate with a lot of ideas, but like everyone else, came up against Emil Jones. Jones made him the Dem grunt boy and threw a lot of legislative assignments at him. A lot of people thought Obama was going to give up; many were jealous of him and lauded Emil's initial political hazing of Obama. But Obama persevered, stuck it through, and started to move bills. This is what earned him the respect of IL legislators, both Rep and Dem.

Pay for play and compromise could have gotten Obama Bobby Rush's seat in Congress. But he didn't. And he lost. But that loss said a lot about the man and his character, in my opinion. Bobby Rush now supports Obama for President, by the way, along with Emil Jones.

So you can post all the UK-Murdoch press you want. But those that live in the city of Chicago and know its political scene will be there to present the real story.
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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 10:43 PM
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32. It's funny how you slam the UK-Murdoch press when it doesn't suit your needs
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 11:04 PM
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40. you are from chicago and i from"downstate",
actually a 100 miles due west, so we do not know what you are talking about. we must realize that actually being from chicago or living in this state automatically disqualifies us from knowing anything about our state.
it`s our curse to have actually voted for barack instead of keyes...just think if we would have voted in keyes, hillary would`t have barack to run against...so you see it`s all our fault!:hi:
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 11:20 PM
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41. Hello fellow Illinoisan!
:hi:

Apparently the Sun-Times, Tribune, dozens of local suburban newspapers know less about Illinois and Chicago politics than the UK Murdoch-owned press. I am sick of the politics of Chicago and state of Illinois being trashed by people who do not live here.

Can you imagine what we'd be discussing if Carol Mosely-Braun had Obama's ethics and had decided to run for the nomination against Hillary Clinton?
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 12:52 AM
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42. oh noooo......that makes my head hurt just thinking about that!
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:07 AM
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47. Well, I'm going to disagree with your interpretation there.
Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 01:24 AM by barb162
Emil Jones supports Barak because Emil put him there in the spot he has now. There's a mentor thing going there too from what I've read.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:51 AM
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66. Please tell me what Emil has done to put Barack "in the spot he has now." n/t
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:25 PM
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85. Yeah, but the Times ain't it. That's why they're ripping off US media. /nt
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 10:45 PM
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33. It's possible
but this sounds like a tempest in a doll set size teapot.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:03 AM
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44. I have another article from a reporter working in Chicago at the time
if you'd like to see it. It's not very flattering at all to Obama or Jones.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:32 AM
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64. see post #63
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 05:39 AM
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71. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:41 AM
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76. I don't need to post smears.
I have enough substantive disagreements with Obama to fill several posts. Yet, you will not find a single thread that I have started about Obama...ever.

You are making an ass of yourself with your assumptions.

I notice that you consider the connection to Jones to be somehow a "smear." What is it about Jones that leads you to think so?
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 10:19 AM
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79. I think it goes like this; anything factually negative about Obama is a smear to some
Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 10:19 AM by barb162
ST. Barak never did anything wrong, dontcha know?

(And anyone who believes that last sentence and thinks he never did favors for Rezko is so utterly clueless it defies belief.)
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 10:27 AM
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80. That fits the general tone I'm hearing. n/t
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 10:43 AM
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81. Isn't it though?
Some people just think Barak did no favors for that slumlord Rezko in return for all that Rezko fund-raising, land-buying, etc.


hi:
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 06:42 AM
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74. K&R
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:08 PM
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4. Blip
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:10 PM
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6. Obama's kingmaker.
Jones, "I don't call it pork, I call it steak." :puke:
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:22 PM
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11. LMAO! You Hilly supporters are funny as hell.
:rofl:
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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:24 PM
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12. I suppose we are
why did you bump this thread with that post?

I thought that all y'all were supposed to LET IT SINK!!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 10:33 PM
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29. and you folks continue to mock the news as BO slips in the polls.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:10 AM
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48. And you Bami supporters are just a laugh riot too.
LOL
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:30 PM
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16. If this is true it simultaneously takes out his new politics and transparent govt pitch..
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:35 PM
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17. Just the latest of many. He didn't exactly bring a "new politics" to Chicago...
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:18 AM
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52. He's the same ol' , same ol'. New politics? What a joke. He and Rezko.
Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 01:24 AM by barb162
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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:37 PM
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18. it's just more fodder for the smear in the GE
but the folks on this board don't care about that. They care more about their annointed candidate than their party's chances in november.

I think it's time for folks who are disheartened to start shifting folks to the congressional and senatorial elections because no matter what happens in the presidential race, it is absolutely critical that the congress and senate go overwhelmingly blue, if only to prevent any disasterous supreme court picks...
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:27 AM
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54. There's plenty of fodder thrown around here for smearing HRC in the GE, not just
Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 01:27 AM by barb162
Obama. Including some suggestions here last week that the Hillary campaign was responsible for Obama's passport being viewed.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:40 PM
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20. Birds of a feather...
and all that jazz.
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nemo137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:42 PM
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21. I don't remember Emil Jones as being more toxic than
the general level of toxic that you get in Illinois state politics, which is like Texas state politics, but with less circus and more mob bosses.
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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:52 PM
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22. and :obama did nothing to change it did he?
He just "held his nose" and worked within it so that he could get more power.

Exactly what makes you think that he will be any different when he is president?
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 10:08 PM
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24. He was instrumental in passing the widest-ranging ethics reform bill in
25 years in Illinois.
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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 10:18 PM
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25. and he voted "present" how many times?
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 10:24 PM
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26. A little over 100 in 4000 votes. Many by request of Planned Parenthood. NT
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Henryman Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 10:30 PM
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28. sueragingroz, do you know why?
Obviously you didn't bother to find out why Obama voted "present."
It's just easier for you to pick up a talking point and run with it.
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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 10:42 PM
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31. i know why
he said why - "because that is how chicago politics works".

I watched the same debates that you did.

He didn't transcend the politics. He was part of the politics and he used guys like Jones to get ahead.

he's no messiah.

he's a politician.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:16 AM
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51.  Yeah, anyone who thinks Obama is anything but a political hack is dreaming
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 10:53 PM
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39. hi there nemo137
45 miles south on the rock...state politics?--hell local politics!
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RememberWellstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 10:28 PM
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27. Layers of the onion
this gets curioser and curiouser, I wonder what else will pop out of the closet? Good God, what have we brought on ourselves in this election?
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 04:33 AM
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68. The interesting thing about the onion metaphor
is that the onion pretty much stays the same all the way through.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:49 AM
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77. The other thing is ...
... the more you peel away, the more it makes the person holding onto the onion want to cry.
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 10:46 PM
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34. The most telling line
is: " He would run for king of the world if that position were vacant" captures the hubris and craven desire for recognition and power, now packaged as the hope and change parade.

Obama's "hope and change" are like a Disneyworld theme , and equally artificial. Pathetic that so many are fooled. Then again, there are an equal number of us that aren't!
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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 10:50 PM
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37. yah... just not equal numbers of us in this forum ;)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:33 AM
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57. Or, anywhere for that matter.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 10:47 PM
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35. i just read this in another post
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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 10:50 PM
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36. yes i know. I saw it too
i put a post in that thread saying that i'm ok if the two threads are merged.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:04 AM
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45. Murdoch Times

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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:14 AM
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50. I don't think they get it
:banghead:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:10 AM
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49. Let me get this straight. Obama had to deal with the political landscape
in Illinois.

And thank you for trying to smear our next presidential candidate!
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:21 AM
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53.  Oh, a political discussion is now smearing? Under whose definition?
I thought that's what this forum is for....POLITICAL DISCUSSION. And BTW, the presidential nominee is Clinton.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:29 AM
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55. The OP is not a "discussion".
It is innuendo on skates.

On the other hand, you're the poster that called Obama a hack, as if he's been caught having Arkansas state troopers bringing him women in the state house.

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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:45 AM
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59. This forum is for political discussion!
And if you want to talk about innuendo have a look at the passport threads where people were insinuating Hillary's campaign was behind the snooping into Obama's file.

And if you don't like Obama being called a hack, you can explain why he was all smiley-smiley approving, fawning over and sucking up to Condi Rice when she was in Congress being questioned for the position of Secretary of State. It was one of the biggest damned suck-up shows I ever saw.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 02:03 AM
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60. Obama should be ashamed of himself for sucking up to that felon.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 02:58 AM
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61. OUCH! What a find.
:rofl:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:16 AM
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62. It's ridiculous already. The Clinton are fighting against the release
of their records of thirty years in the sewer "experience" but OBAMA is corrupt? :crazy:







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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 10:09 AM
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78. Oh, no comment on Obama's giant ass-kiss of NEOCON Condi?
Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 10:21 AM by barb162
:eyes:
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:35 AM
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65. Nice Hitpiece.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 04:30 AM
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67. How many "mentors' are there?
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 04:52 AM
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69. "The man now running for president on a message of giving a voice to the voiceless first entered
yes. Been holding onto this...thannks for the post::: <<<<snip>>>


Chris Matthews, the MSNBC political pundit, recently grilled Texas State Senator Kirk Watson for supporting Obama despite knowing nothing about the candidate's

legislative record.

"Can you name any — can you name anything he's accomplished?" Matthews pressed.

"No," Watson, whose district includes Austin, finally admitted. "I'm not gonna be able to do that."

"Well, that's a problem, isn't it?" Matthews said.

Hillary Clinton recalled the incident with a chuckle during last Thursday's debate at the University of Texas.

When asked about his legislative record, Obama rattles off several bills he sponsored as an Illinois lawmaker.

He expanded children's health insurance; made the state Earned Income Tax Credit refundable for low-income families; required public bodies to tape closed-door

meetings to make government more transparent; and required police to videotape interrogations of homicide suspects.

And the list goes on.

It's a lengthy record filled with core liberal issues. But what's interesting, and almost never discussed, is that he built his entire legislative record in Illinois in a single

year.

Republicans controlled the Illinois General Assembly for six years of Obama's seven-year tenure. Each session, Obama backed legislation that went nowhere; bill after

bill died in committee. During those six years, Obama, too, would have had difficulty naming any legislative ­achievements.

Then, in 2002, dissatisfaction with President Bush and Republicans on the national and local levels led to a Democratic sweep of nearly every lever of Illinois state

government. For the first time in 26 years, Illinois Democrats controlled the governor's office as well as both legislative chambers.

The white, race-baiting, hard-right Republican Illinois Senate Majority Leader James "Pate" Philip was replaced by Emil Jones Jr., a gravel-voiced, dark-skinned

African-American known for chain-smoking cigarettes on the Senate floor.

Jones had served in the Illinois Legislature for three decades. He represented a district on the Chicago South Side not far from Obama's. He became Obama's ­

kingmaker.

Several months before Obama announced his U.S. Senate bid, Jones called his old friend Cliff Kelley, a former Chicago alderman who now hosts the city's most

popular black call-in radio ­program.

I called Kelley last week and he recollected the private conversation as follows:

"He said, 'Cliff, I'm gonna make me a U.S. Senator.'"

"Oh, you are? Who might that be?"

"Barack Obama."

Jones appointed Obama sponsor of virtually every high-profile piece of legislation, angering many rank-and-file state legislators who had more seniority than Obama

and had spent years championing the bills.

"I took all the beatings and insults and endured all the racist comments over the years from nasty Republican committee chairmen," State Senator Rickey Hendon,

the original sponsor of landmark racial profiling and videotaped confession legislation yanked away by Jones and given to Obama, complained to me at the time.

"Barack didn't have to endure any of it, yet, in the end, he got all the credit.

"I don't consider it bill jacking," Hendon told me. "But no one wants to carry the ball 99 yards all the way to the one-yard line, and then give it to the halfback who gets

all the credit and the stats in the record book."

During his seventh and final year in the state Senate, Obama's stats soared. He sponsored a whopping 26 bills passed into law — including many he now cites in his

presidential campaign when attacked as inexperienced.

It was a stunning achievement that started him on the path of national politics — and he couldn't have done it without Jones.

Before Obama ran for U.S. Senate in 2004, he was virtually unknown even in his own state. Polls showed fewer than 20 percent of Illinois voters had ever heard of

Barack Obama.

Jones further helped raise Obama's profile by having him craft legislation addressing the day-to-day tragedies that dominated local news ­headlines.

For instance. Obama sponsored a bill banning the use of the diet supplement ephedra, which killed a Northwestern University football player, and another one

preventing the use of pepper spray or pyrotechnics in nightclubs in the wake of the deaths of 21 people during a stampede at a Chicago nightclub. Both stories had

received national attention and extensive local coverage.

I spoke to Jones earlier this week and he confirmed his conversation with Kelley, adding that he gave Obama the legislation because he believed in Obama's ability to

negotiate with Democrats and Republicans on divisive issues.

So how has Obama repaid Jones?

Last June, to prove his commitment to government transparency, Obama released a comprehensive list of his earmark requests for fiscal year 2008. It comprised more

than $300 million in pet projects for Illinois, including tens of millions for Jones's Senate district.

Shortly after Jones became Senate president, I remember asking his view on pork-barrel spending.

I'll never forget what he said:

"Some call it pork; I call it steak."
_____________________

In Hyde Park, I eventually moved into a room a few blocks from the newspaper offices. For $150 a month, I lived in a former servant's quarters with a closet and a

connecting bathroom set just off the kitchen in a dingy apartment occupied by several grad students. My eight-by-eight room fit a mattress on the floor and not much

else.

During those rare moments when I wasn't working or hanging out with my new girlfriend, I sat on the apartment's crumbling back deck smoking cigarettes and drinking

beer in cans with a very nice but drug-addicted homeless woman who crashed in a sleeping bag on the cement floor below. A couple years later, I wrote her obituary.

Hyde Park was the most racially integrated neighborhood in a city with a long, tortured history of segregation. Along 53rd Street, the neighborhood's main commercial

corridor, chess players filled the parks, student activists chanted political slogans and women clad in bright colors and elaborate headwraps sang church hymns while

strolling the sidewalks.

I would sometimes sit smoking on the fire escape outside my office and feel like I'd wandered into a Spike Lee film.

The communities surrounding Hyde Park were predominantly black and impoverished, marked by high crime, boarded-up storefronts and vacant lots. In some

residential areas, banks and grocery stores were several miles away.

On the stump, Obama has frequently invoked his experiences as a community organizer on the Chicago South Side in the early 1990s, when he passed on six-figure

salary offers at corporate law firms after graduating from Harvard Law School to direct a massive voter-registration drive.

But, as a state senator, Obama evaded leadership on a host of critical community issues, from historic preservation to the rapid demolition of nearby public-housing

projects, according to many South Siders.

Harold Lucas, a veteran South Side community organizer who remembers when Obama was "just a big-eared kid fresh out of school," says he didn't finally decide to

support Obama's presidential bid until he was actually inside the voting booth on Super Tuesday.

"I'm not happy about the quality of life in my community," says Lucas, who now heads a black-heritage tourism business in Chicago. "As a local elected official, he

had a primary role in that."

In addition to Hyde Park, Obama also represented segments of several South Side neighborhoods home to the nation's richest African-American cultural history

outside of Harlem.

Before World War II, the adjacent Bronzeville community was known as the "Black Metropolis," attracting African-American migrants seeking racial equality and

economic opportunity from states to the south such as Louisiana, Mississippi and Texas.

Storied jazz clubs such as Gerri's Palm Tavern regularly hosted Duke Ellington, Billie Holiday, Josephine Baker and many others. In the postwar era, blues legends

Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf and B.B. King all regularly gigged in cramped juke joints such as the Checkerboard Lounge.

When the City of Chicago seized the 70-year-old Gerri's Palm Tavern by eminent domain in 2001, sparking citywide protests, Obama was silent. And he offered no

public comments when the 30-year owner of the Checkerboard Lounge was forced to relocate a couple years later.

Even in Hyde Park, Obama declined to take a position on a years-long battle waged by hundreds of local community activists fighting against the city's plan to replace

the historic limestone seawall along Lake Michigan — a popular spot to sunbathe and swim — with concrete steps.

It would be comparable to representing Barton Creek in Austin, and sidestepping any discussion about conservation.

Obama's aloofness on key community issues for years frustrated Lucas and many other South Siders. Now they believe he was just afraid of making political enemies

or being pigeonholed as a black candidate. Lucas says he has since become an ardent Obama supporter.

"His campaign has built a momentum of somebody being born to the moment," Lucas says. "He truly gives the perception that he could possibly pull us all together

around being American again. And the hope of that is worth the risk when you look at the other candidates. I mean, you can't get away from old school when you look

at Hillary."

Lucas even believes Obama made the right choice by declining PBS talk-show host Tavis Smiley's invitation to speak at this week's State of the Black Union 2008

conference in New Orleans.

"Obama can't bring those issues up if he wants to be elected," Lucas says. "And that's the travesty of the situation that we find ourselves in as African-Americans."

In the presidential campaign, Obama has been criticized for a shady land deal and other past ties to Tony Rezko, the Chicago real estate developer and ubiquitous

political donor who now faces federal charges of attempted extortion and money laundering.

In a debate held last month before the South Carolina primary, Hillary Clinton charged that Obama had legally represented Rezko "in his slum landlord business in

inner-city Chicago." The issue was turned back on her a few days later when an old picture of a smiling Clinton posing with Rezko surfaced on Drudge Report.

Though it didn't make national news, Obama inflamed many residents in his old state Senate district last March when he endorsed controversial Chicago alderman

Dorothy Tillman in a runoff election.

Flamboyant and unpredictable, Tillman is perhaps best known for once pulling a pistol from her purse and brandishing it around at a city council meeting. The ward she

represented for 22 years, which included historic Bronzeville, comprised the city's largest concentration of vacant lots.

Just three months before Obama made his endorsement, the Lakefront Outlook community newspaper ran a three-part investigative series exposing flagrant crony­ism

and possible tax-law violations that centered on Tillman and her biggest pet project, a taxpayer-funded cultural center built across the street from her ward office that

had been hemorrhaging money since its inception.

The series won a national George Polk Award, among the most coveted prizes in journalism. Not bad for a 12-page rag with a circulation of 12,000 and no Web site. I

had already left the Outlook and had nothing to do with the project.

In the end, Tillman lost the election despite Obama's endorsement, which critics said countered his calls for clean government. Obama told the Chicago Tribune that

he had backed Tillman because she was an early supporter of his 2004 U.S. Senate campaign.

Many speculate Obama only bothered to weigh in on a paltry city council election during his presidential campaign as a gesture to Chicago's powerful Mayor Richard

M. Daley, a Tillman supporter. Even so, Obama should have remained neutral, says Timuel Black, a historian and City Colleges of Chicago professor emeritus who

lived in Obama's state Senate district.

"That was not a wise decision," Black says. "It was poor judgment on his part. He was operating like a politician trying to win the next step up."
_____________________

Obama has spent his entire political career trying to win the next step up. Every three years, he has aspired to a more powerful political position.

He was just 35 when in 1996 he won his first bid for political office. Even many of his staunchest supporters, such as Black, still resent the strong-arm tactics Obama

employed to win his seat in the Illinois Legislature.

Obama hired fellow Harvard Law alum and election law expert Thomas Johnson to challenge the nominating petitions of four other candidates, including the popular

incumbent, Alice Palmer, a liberal activist who had held the seat for several years, according to an April 2007 Chicago Tribune report.

Obama found enough flaws in the petition sheets — to appear on the ballot, candidates needed 757 signatures from registered voters living within the district — to

knock off all the other Democratic contenders. He won the seat unopposed.

"A close examination of Obama's first campaign clouds the image he has cultivated throughout his political career," wrote Tribune political reporters David Jackson and

Ray Long. "The man now running for president on a message of giving a voice to the voiceless first entered public office not by leveling the playing field, but by clearing

it."

Three years later, in September 1999, Obama was already preparing his first national campaign. He ran for U.S. Congress against veteran incumbent Bobby Rush, a

former co-founder of the Illinois chapter of the Black Panther Party.

Rush painted the largely unknown freshman lawmaker as an out-of-touch elitist, and won the 2000 primary by more than 30 percentage points.

Three years later, in January 2003, Obama announced his bid for the U.S. Senate, where he cruised to victory thanks to the self-destruction of his top opponents in

both the primary and general elections.

Obama joined a crowded field of seven candidates vying to fill an open Senate seat being vacated by retiring two-term incumbent Peter Fitzgerald. For months, he

polled in the middle-of-the-pack behind frontrunner and former securities trader Blair Hull, who spent $30 million of his own fortune on the primary.

But Hull's campaign imploded just weeks before the election when his divorce files were unsealed, revealing an ex-wife's charges of verbal and physical abuse.

Obama unleashed a barrage of television ads just before the election, when the other candidates had largely depleted their war chests. He won the nomination with 53

percent of the vote.

In the general election, Obama squared off against another multimillionaire: Jack Ryan, who later dropped out of the race after a judge ordered his divorce files

unsealed. The documents revealed that Ryan's ex-wife, actress Jeri Ryan, a former Miss Illinois best known for her role as Seven of Nine on Star Trek: Voyager,

accused him of trying to coerce her to perform sex acts in public.

Obama spent several weeks facing no opponent as the Illinois Republican Party exhausted a laundry list of replacement candidates that included former Chicago

Bears coach Mike Ditka. The GOP ended up recruiting two-time failed presidential hopeful Alan Keyes from Maryland to fill the slot.

Keyes's strategy to use bombastic rhetoric to attract headlines turned off most voters. Most memorably, he said Jesus would not vote for Obama and that

homosexuals, including Vice President Dick Cheney's daughter, participated in "selfish ­hedonism."

In the end, Obama won more than 70 percent of the vote in the most lopsided Senate election in Illinois history and became the fifth African-American to win a seat in

the U.S. Senate.

Three years later, in February 2007, Obama announced his bid for the White House in front of the Old State Capitol in Springfield, where Abraham Lincoln had made

his famous House Divided speech.
_____________________

I moved to Springfield in early 2004 to work for the Illinois Times, where I covered Obama's U.S. Senate bid.

My first assignment was to profile Obama, who was largely unknown in central Illinois.

In fact, at that time just four years ago, Obama was still largely unknown even in his own community.

I followed Obama one wintry morning as he visited several black churches on Chicago's South Side urging people to vote for him in the upcoming primary. Congregants

greeted him with lukewarm applause.

I noted in my article that one lady sitting in a pew beside me was noticeably impressed with the young man, and asked to borrow my pen. She wrote on her church

pamphlet, "Obama, March 16," then underlined the date.

Over the years, most of my interviews with Obama were conducted by phone. So it felt good when he immediately recognized me and shouted my name from the end

of a long, empty hallway inside the church after his speech.

After all, I admired the guy — and still do.

We shook hands and walked outside together. I asked some questions and snapped some pictures before a dark-blue Chevrolet Suburban with tinted windows

whisked him off to another congregation less than a mile away. I followed behind in my beat-up Oldsmobile.

My story ran on the cover of the Illinois Times. The more I thought about it, though, the more I thought it was fluff. Obama's own public-relations flack could have

produced something comparable.

At the time, the Illinois media had fallen head-over-heels in love with Obama and his squeaky-clean image. "As pedigrees go, there is not a finer one among the

Democratic candidates," the Chicago Tribune gushed in its endorsement.

All this predated TV pundit Chris Matthews's more recent comment that Obama's speeches send chills up his legs.

"He's been given a pass," says Harold Lucas, the community organizer in Chicago. "His career has been such a meteoric rise that he has not had the time to set a

record."

A week after my profile of Obama was published, I called some of my contacts in the Illinois Legislature. I ran through a list of black Chicago lawmakers who had

worked with Obama, and was surprised to learn that many resented him and had supported other candidates in the U.S. Senate election.

"Anybody but Obama," the late state Representative Lovana Jones told me at the time.

State Representative Monique Davis, who attended the same church as Obama and co-sponsored several bills with him, also did not support his candidacy. She

complained of feeling overshadowed by Obama.

"I was snubbed," Davis told me. "I felt he was shutting me out of history."

In a follow-up report published a couple weeks later, I wrote about these disgruntled black legislators and the central role Senate President Emil Jones played in

Obama's revived political life.

The morning after the story was posted online, I arrived early at my new offices. I hadn't taken my coat off when the phone rang. It was Obama.

The article began, "It can be painful to hear Ivy League-bred Barack Obama talk jive."

Obama told me he doesn't speak jive, that he doesn't say the words "homeboy" or "peeps."

It seemed so silly; I thought for sure he was joking. He wasn't.

He said the black legislators I cited in the story were off-base, and that they couldn't have gotten the bills passed without him.

I started to speak, and he shouted me down.

He said he liked the other story I wrote.

I asked if there was anything factually inaccurate about the latest story.

He repeated that his former colleagues couldn't have passed the bills without him.

He asked why I wrote this story, then cut me off when I started to answer.

He said he should have been given a chance to respond.

I told him I had requested an interview through his communications director.

He said I should have called his cell phone.

I reminded him that he had asked me months ago to stop calling his cell phone due to his busier schedule.

He said again that I should have called his cell phone.

Today I no longer have Obama's cell phone number. I submitted two formal requests to interview Obama for this story through his Web site, but have not heard back. I

also e-mailed interview requests to three of his top staffers, but none responded.

Maybe he'll call the day after this story runs. I'll get to the office early just in case. And this time I'll have my recorder ready.

todd.spivak@houstonpress.com


"Can you name any — can you name anything he's accomplished?" Matthews pressed.

"No," Watson, whose district includes Austin, finally admitted. "I'm not gonna be able to do that."

"Well, that's a problem, isn't it?" Matthews said.



"Can you name any — can you name anything he's accomplished?" Matthews pressed.

"No," Watson, whose district includes Austin, finally admitted. "I'm not gonna be able to do that."

"Well, that's a problem, isn't it?" Matthews said.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 05:03 AM
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70. Follow the $$$
Obama's friends::: google their names,,,see what ya get.

;;Follow the money;; Jack Lavin, Michael Rumman, Nadhmi Auchi, Pat Quinn, Rod Blagojevich, Stuart Levine, Tony Rezko, Aiham Alsammarae, Christopher Kelly,Emil Jones.
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 05:53 AM
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72. The Sunday Times is a stalking horse for Murdoch
He uses it to publish information that is later published by other of his papers as "reports from credible sources". Long ago the ST used to be a fine investigative paper, that ended shortly after the Murdoch take over.

For those of you interested UK papers can be pretty good but ...

A list that might interest people

News International (Murdoch puppet) pushes Fox and Sky TV channels.
The (London) Times
The Sunday Times
The Sun
News of the World

Daily Mail General Trust (DMGT) = Viscount Rothermere, very RW.
Daily Mail
Mail on Sunday
London Evening Standard
Metro

Daily Mirror Group.
Sunday Mirror
Sunday People
Racing Post
News Letter (Northern Ireland)
Sunday Business Post (Republic of Ireland)
Daily Record (Scotland)
Sunday Mail (Scotland)

United MAI = David (Dirty) Desmond, publisher of many pornographic magazines very RW (because Blair wouldn't give him a peerage).
Daily Express
Sunday Express
Daily Star

Independent News and Media PLC = Dr Sir Anthony "Tony" O'Reily, Check Wiki for this guy. His papers are pretty much what they say but do push the European Union.
The Independent
The Independent on Sunday
and Irish Titles

Guardian Media Group plc this group is controlled by the C P Scott Trust (a charitable trust that just runs the paper) load of old lefties, god bless 'em.
The Guardian
The Observer (Sundays)

Pearson International, business oriented so can be seen a RW but not a bad paper.
The Financial Times
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 06:26 AM
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73. Why does the world know more about Obama than Americans? /nt
Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 06:26 AM by Iceburg
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 07:37 AM
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75. Oh boy, it's a "let's bash a few more black men" post.
Guess I'm going to have to resurrect my long list of felons associated with the Clintons. I was willing to let it drop, but this is getting ridiculous.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:13 PM
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82. Thanks!
Even as hitty as that hit piece was, this says it all:

Cynthia Canary, an activist against corruption who is fighting to have the laws passed, says Obama had little choice as an Illinois politician but to deal with an ethically dubious regime. “You hold your nose and work through the system,” she said.

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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:24 PM
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84. Yawn...plagiarism strikes again
A thinly re-written version of Vanity Fair's excellent story about Obama's political roots:
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/03/obama200803?printable=true¤tPage=all

Of course, this story received quite a bit of coverage on DU when it first came out. Clearly some of us are better read than others :-)
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