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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:03 PM
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Obama's hyped speech may produce backlash, refusal to renounce mentor/pastor Wright a factor
Edited on Sat Mar-22-08 09:15 PM by jackson_dem
This is exactly why his advisers didn't want him to give the speech. It appealed to the Starbucks crowd, of which the msm is part of, but not with the Budweiser crowd. The problem is Obama already has no margin of error with whites, which makes his recent racial remark even more important. He is at 23% with whites in PA, 30% in NC, and around 25% in West Virginia (fresh off of getting 21% in MS and 34% in Ohio, with the latter figure boosted by rethugs and indies. Among white Democrats in Ohio he got only 27%. In Texas he got 44% but that was also inflated by rethugs and indies. Among Democrats he got only 37%.). The problem for Obama is they are three out of four general election voters and a large majority of Democratic primary voters as well. He also lost Latinos 66-32 in Texas and that was well before pastorgate. Many Latinos are first or second generation and hearing "god damn America" won't sit well with folks who chose or whose parents chose America.

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A week ago, her customers at Rauchut’s Tavern in Tacony didn’t have much to say about Barack Obama. But when she returned to work Wednesday, a day after the Illinois senator attempted to quell the furor over his pastor’s racially incendiary remarks, the reaction inside the corner bar was raw and unapologetic.

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And his speech Tuesday, although widely praised by the pundit caste and Obama supporters, has only seemed to widen the gulf with the Budweiser class here.

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A day after the speech, local residents were left wondering whether Obama was candid in the last week when he said he hadn’t heard any of Wright’s most objectionable remarks, but then said Tuesday that he had heard “controversial” remarks while sitting in the pews.

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“I don’t want to hear that you are blaming us for him saying this,” said Peter, who is white and worked at an auto parts factory until it was shuttered several years ago. Cutting ties with the church “would have been the best way to do it. That way, I could have been able to listen to him again.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9132_Page2.html

Some points:

1) The polling data shows no change of any significance for him after The Hype, er, "the speech." If anything he has went down slightly since then.

2) This article provides a good window into the real world that the blogosphere, an alternate world where Wright (8% favorable rating in the real world) is more popular than Hillary Clinton, was unable to grasp after the hyped speech. The article shows how many folks reacted to it. His failure to renounce Wright, brushed off as irrelevant here, is important to some people in the real world. Where the Starbucks crowd and Obamites saw vision and leadership, many working folks saw hypocrisy, lies, and finger pointing (at them).

3) There is a lot of talk here about "My ___ was 'moved' by the speech" or "I didn't support Obama until he gave the greatest speech ever." There may even be some of that in the real world. Still his numbers didn't move up. That goes to the article. Whatever he gained, assuming that happened and it likely did, was offset by losses among other folks, especially working folks who Obama has always struggling with anyway, with a few states that were exceptions.

4) There is an unusually high focus on the racial breakdown of voters this time. Part of this is due to the obvious. Most of it, though, is because for the first time, aside from Jesse Jackson's brief time as front-runner at this time in 1988, the Democratic front-runner does not have broad support that cuts across racial lines. Obama is unique in that he wins only one racial group, but fortunately for him thus far he has enjoyed 85-90% support among that group (although even that may be slipping. One PA poll has Clinton getting 27% black support.) and that offsets Clinton's smaller margins among whites, Latinos, and Asians in many states.

5) If pastorgate stung, his racial remark if it gets covered by the msm in the primaries will be even worse (and if they don't cover it now they definitely will in the general election). That quote will be in every rethug ad in the fall if he is the nominee.
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:08 PM
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1. There will definitely be backlash
and for anyone to think otherwise is just not being realistic. Its not going to get swept under the rug and 'hope' it goes away.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:24 PM
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8. oh for heavens sake! give it a rest!
look it is finshed with. We have so many white people saying stupid things, racists things or whatever. If a white man says it it is OK?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:01 AM
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59. only people who put their head in the sand do not recognize it as a problem
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:08 PM
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2. There are enough crickets in here
to make a Biblical plague. ;)
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:10 PM
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3. Rev. Wright, like Ferraro, is a non-issue. n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:14 PM
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:27 PM
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12. A reason to rebel?
Edited on Sat Mar-22-08 09:31 PM by blue neen
We should be rebelling against the policies of the Bush Administration.

How about gasoline prices, the continuing war against a country that didn't attack us, the sub-prime mortgage crisis, out-sourcing of jobs, disastrous environmental policies, and lack of health care for millions of Americans. That's for starters.

These are reasons for whites, blacks, Latinos, Asians, Native Americans, and all Americans of every race, sex, creed, and color to rebel and vote Democratic in the next election.

I hope that you are working to bring about this change, because our country sorely needs it.

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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 02:37 AM
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56. of course
But the party leadership and leaders in the activist and pundit communities rejected any such platform - a platform that would be in alignment with the traditonal principles and ideals of the Democratic party and the platform that has always brought us our greatest electoral success, as well.

Rejected. Thoroughly and relentlessly. Daily. Right here. "Off the table."

We opted for "free markets" and "bi-partisanship" and "personal responsibility" and "privatization" and "sort of health care insurance or something" and the entire Republican-lite program. Now here we are.
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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:23 PM
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7. according to you and your friends in the blogosphere.... /nt
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FARAFIELD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:17 PM
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5. Fewer delegates after her losses "errr... her failures to win"
take that
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:18 PM
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6. a kick for you
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:25 PM
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9. K&R
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:25 PM
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10. "the Starbucks crowd"
Class Warrior, jackson dem strikes again! Clinton-wub rots the mind, and erases the conscience.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:27 PM
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11. Lol! There will be a backlash all right!
It looks like FoxNews may just implode due to their *coverage* of this.

But a backlash against Obama? Not so much. His numbers are already bouncing back.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:29 PM
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13. A backlash against what? The truth? Why?
The truth the Rev Wright spoke of and quoted was inflammatory, yes, but it was the undistorted, unbiased truth. It was inflammatory because we Americans are an arrogant nation that thinks we have a right to interfere in the lives of others anywhere in the world for the self interests of the ruling elite and those who just think they are part of the ruling class.

The good Reverend Wright nailed the true history of this country down solid and for that he has been condemned.
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:14 AM
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30. Truth or not it struck a nerve and its not something people will forget
Its to bad the 18 year old Obama followers are so out of touch with mainstream America.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:23 AM
Response to Reply #30
37. ew.
you're still here?
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:43 AM
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Says the kid who was 10 years old when Clinton was in office
And yet comes in here and tells everyone how shitty of a president he was.

:rofl:
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:45 AM
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46. i was 11 when he took office, 19 when he left.
i have not once called him a shitty president in here.
care to provide evidence to back up your claim?
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:59 AM
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49. Typical Obamabot whose only memory of the Clinton years was
if that new bottle of Clearasil mommy bought was going to work.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 04:47 AM
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74. Bullshit. This "Obamabot" remembers Watergate and Dick Nixon.
Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 04:47 AM by impeachdubya
And as such, I certainly know sleazy, cheap-shot politics when I see it.

It's all Hillary has left. It's a damn shame, because I used to think of her as one of the good ones.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 06:14 PM
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91. did you even bother to read my post, you shit-spewing moron?
i said i have NEVER. CALLED. CLINTON. A BAD PRESIDENT.
that being said, what, suddenly being young means i'm inellgible to criticize a former president?
is there some sort of age threshold?
please enlighten us, oh great one, so that we do not offend thy glorious will!
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:28 AM
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38. "The good Reverend Wright"--yeah, where up is down and east is west.
You guys are so out of your minds, I shudder to think what's going to happen when you are forced to return to earth.
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Bodhi BloodWave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 02:27 AM
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54. You might want to actually look into Wright's past rather then be seduced by
Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 02:30 AM by Bodhi BloodWave
a few out of context clips, but i guess that might actually be work and as such of no interest.

Personally I'd have been honored if he were my reverend(and I'm not even Christian) mainly due to what he and his church have been doing for the community over the years
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:11 AM
Response to Reply #54
64. No thanks, besides I've no doubt the media will find lots more stuff.
One doesn't have a mind set like that and then preach all sweetness and light the following week.
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Bodhi BloodWave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:23 AM
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72. True, but they will show what they want you to see, not what something really is
If i were to go over some of your old posts and grab a few lines from them that i use out of context, would you be what i portray you as(after all its your own words I'm using)?
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 02:29 AM
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55. agreed
But do you really think that Democrats - or Obama supporters - agree with us, or are prepared to run an election campaign on that platform?

It would be a tough job to win the general even if we were all on the same page about Wright's remarks. But most of the Obama supporters are more than willing to trash out Wright. "Wright is a lunatic, but it doesn't matter" seems to be the prevailing sentiment. That is extremely weak. That line of reasoning may fly with people arguing on an Internet board, but is is fatal with the general public, and is exactly the sort of mistake that we most commonly make and that can hurt us the most.

Rather than a strong left wing platform, intelligently and effectively presented to the general public in a way that they would support, we as usual have the exact opposite: a campaign that looks radical as all Hell, that is vulnerable to right wing attacks and portrayed as extremist, but that we are wishy washy and conflicted about, that is in reality representing a milquetoast centrist program. You couldn't make it up to be this bad if you tried.

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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:37 PM
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14. White, middle-aged woman here in PA.
I went to volunteer at the local Obama office in southwestern PA today. There were many people of all races, religions, walks of life, and age groups working there today.

What did you do today that was a POSITIVE contribution toward getting a Democrat elected in November?

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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:45 PM
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16. You are part of the 20% of PA women and 23% of PA whites who support Obama
And these numbers are before his recent racial remark.

I don't have to prove my Democratic credentials to anyone, let alone a name on a screen.
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 10:21 PM
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17. I didn't ask you to prove your Democratic credentials to anyone.
Edited on Sat Mar-22-08 10:33 PM by blue neen
Why are you so defensive? I asked you a simple question, "What did you do today that was a POSITIVE contribution toward getting a Democrat elected in November?"

You didn't answer my question.

Your original post is about the "Hyped Speech." What "recent racial remark" are you referring to in this post (post 16)?

Are you in Pennsylvania? If you are, then you perhaps you can feel qualified to comment on what are the particular dynamics of the primary race right now here.

For the record, I was undecided about this race until 3 weeks ago. It has been the campaign tactics of Senator Clinton that have moved me toward supporting Obama. The remark, "I'll take him at his word" was the final nail in the coffin as far as this primary race is concerned.

If Senator Clinton gets the nomination I will work on her behalf this fall. I hope to see you make the same proclamation about supporting either Democratic candidate. After all, it IS all about defeating John McCain and putting a Democrat in the White House, isn't it?

By the way, I don't like Budweiser, but Yuengling's are awfully good.
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:42 AM
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43. Amen to Yuengling's
Yuengling black and tans - my favorite. :beer: Too bad you can't get them out here in CA.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:16 AM
Response to Reply #16
34. You must get your figures and your ideas...
from the same place. Rush Limbaugh's butt? Just a guess.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 12:40 AM
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22. I kicked this thread
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 12:46 AM
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24. .
:thumbsup:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:13 AM
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68. back to yah;-)
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 06:40 AM
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77. Its the right thing to do /nt
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 09:39 PM
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15. x
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 11:48 PM
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18. “I don’t want to hear that you are blaming us for him saying this,”
said Peter, who is white and worked at an auto parts factory until it was shuttered several years ago.

I've been bringing this up from time to time. Obama was trying to shift the blame for Wright's hate-filled sermons to us.

It just won't fly.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 12:23 AM
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 12:32 AM
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20. Here's a clue: The "Starbucks crowd" is also the "Budweiser crowd"
Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 12:33 AM by zulchzulu
Most people I know don't got to Starbucks...and the same people rarely drink Budweiser. I don't like Starbucks for taking over and shutting down local cafes and Bud just tastes like chemicals.

Calling the Hannity-spawn non-issue (unless you want to forcefeed it as an issue) "pastorgate" is nonsense on several levels. Most sensible people understand that what a pastor says in a church that someone belongs to does not make them agree by proxy or magical omnipotent osmosis.

If anything, the non-stop coverage on the MSM extinguishes the fallacy that Obama is a Muslim. The more the MSM try to duct tape Obama to Wright and play Obama responses (which get high ratings), the more people see how intelligent Barack Obama is.

Once the MSM focus on other issues and perhaps talk about McCain's link to Hagee will put this story in the forgotten pile.

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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:44 AM
Response to Reply #20
45. Link to Hagee?
How about his link to Reverend Moon, along with the rest of the right wing?
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:11 AM
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66. Really? I like Budweiser.
A lot of my friends like Budweiser. I guess it's not as cool as your specialty microwbrew, but it's good beer at a reasonable price.

That's exactly what you don't get.

Oh, I like Starbucks too.

Bake
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FyurFly Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 12:33 AM
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21. As a 'Typical" white guy
I'm offended. Just say no to Obama.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 12:45 AM
Response to Reply #21
23. Just because he got himself in trouble, we have to get lectured.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:19 PM
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83. BO folks are good at lecturing and moralizing
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 12:47 AM
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25. The only backlash will be against people who slandered a respected religious leader.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 12:56 AM
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26. 8% favorable rating=respected?
I know in the blogosphere he is more popular than Bill Clinton but in the real world...
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:14 AM
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31. Respected by Farrakhan.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:19 AM
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:47 AM
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47. I guess Hillary and Bill were doing crack with Lewinsky
when they decided to invite Wright to their prayer breakfast.
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 02:02 AM
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50. You mean the breakfast where there were 150 other people?
Bill was obviously so impressed by Mr. Wright that he never had anything to do with him again. Obama on the other hand.......
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 02:22 AM
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53. He asked for his forgiveness. So he obviously meant something.
Weren't you the one advocating that Clinton run as a third party?
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:00 AM
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27. LOLOL!!!

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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:08 AM
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28. The Pastorgate story is not going away and now the latest article by McClatchy Newspapers
discussing James Cone, who founded the modern black liberation theology movement and his crazy notions and comments won't help that cause. I'm sure this will be the next hit that we will hear in the news cycle. I believe Obama's support in the upcoming elections will drop even further.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:03 AM
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60. I posted that story here. Major newspaper printed it.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:11 AM
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29. Obama's hypocrisy comes in his continued tacit support of Wright,
and in the fact that he does not speak out against what Rev. Wright says - he may claim to disagree with it and find it inappropriate; but he tries to justify it, and using a racial slant than in my opinion shows Obama as the very racist he is trying to claim not to be. It shows that he, far from wanting to end the constant use of the so-called racial divide, is quite happy to profit from it; and supports it.

For a while he played it smart, not mentioning race himself, but letting others claim foul when any criticism that would be all right for others was aimed at him. Nevertheless, he has always been willing to use the race card to his advantage.

Why else would a man whose mother is white, and who was raised by a white woman, would so consistently identify himself as black American simply because of the accident of his skin color?
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:16 AM
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33. You seriously don't make any sense.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:09 AM
Response to Reply #33
63. Sure he does. Just take off you blinder for a few moments.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:41 AM
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42. I also think Obama is racist.
Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 01:42 AM by anamandujano
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 02:03 AM
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51. I think Clinton's a misogynist.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 02:45 AM
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57. reverse racism
Reverse racism is a right wing propaganda theme. I don't think we should be giving it any play.
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:56 AM
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48. Obviously, idiots like you didn't learn any thing from the holocaust.
Yes let's go and build concentration camps where we can incinerate all the "accident's of his/her skin color" that offends you. Fuck you piece of shit, I've got jewish cousins, so I'm willing to tell you to "FUCK OFF MORON"

<snip>Why else would a man whose mother is white, and who was raised by a white woman, would so consistently identify himself as black American simply because of the accident of his skin color?<snip> Would he pass for Jewish?

ROTFFLMAO Why else would a man whose mother is jewish/white, and who was raised by a jewish/white woman, would so consistently identify himself as black American simply because of the accident of his skin color?

If......... only you could think your way out of a wet paper bag? Or if only you could think rings arround a man who is half white and half black? ROTFFLMAO







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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:16 AM
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32. according to cbs 70% liked the speech and thought he did a great job.
Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 01:17 AM by loveangelc
dont know why i am telling you anything though you only see what your eyes want to see.

you have not answered whether you will still be posting every negative article you find about obama after he gets the nomination...
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rch35 Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:22 AM
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36. God, if only he had been wearing a nascar cap and farting, he couldve won over hte budweiser crowd.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:30 AM
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39. coming from you, i take this with a big grain of salt
:hi:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:34 AM
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 02:48 AM
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58. he hears it so much he doesn't even recognize it anymore...lol. quite sad.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:11 AM
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65. You......
just praised a poster who got his/her name removed.

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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:20 AM
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71. THANKS FOR THIS BIT OF INFO. RODEODANCE!!!!!1111111111
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 12:54 PM
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81. You are welcome
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:36 AM
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41. the customers of Rauchut’s Tavern have spoken!
obama is doomed to fail!...dam i did`t know several people in a tavern in philly had this much power to effect an entire election.....
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:43 AM
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44. If you Clinton people want those bass-ackwards
Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 01:43 AM by RamboLiberal
bunch of racist Arhie Bunkers you can have them. Believe me I know many of these types and they will turn on your girl come November cause McCain will tell them some lie about your girl that will have them voting for McCain.

If they are so twisted by a 30 seconds of cherry picked angry black pastor then let them screw themselves! This bunch of intellectually lazy wanted an excuse to vote against the black man with the middle name of Hussein anyway. Now they have a cover for their racism!
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 02:21 AM
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52. .
:thumbsup:

"This bunch of intellectually lazy wanted an excuse to vote against the black man with the middle name of Hussein anyway."

You've got it.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:04 AM
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61. 'your girl' - yeah, that sounds progressive :)
:hi:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:08 AM
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62. stop mocking voters. It is not a wise nor a mature thing to do.
Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 03:12 AM by rodeodance
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Citizen Kang Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:12 AM
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67. Racebaiting again Jackson_Dem??????
You fail.




Go join jlake.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:15 AM
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69. The BO camp was responsible for the race-baiting --now Dems have a mess.
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Citizen Kang Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:18 AM
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70. Really?
Quotes like "Jesse Jackson also won South Carolina" or "Barack Obama would not be where he is if he were white". Those kind of racebaiting quotes from Bill Clinton and Hillary pal Ferrarro?

Guess what Hillbot?

YOU FAIL.


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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 04:44 AM
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73. Jessie Jackson said there was nothing racial about that comment. Do some
research before you look foolish again
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 04:59 AM
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75. NYT: Jackson: Not Upset by Clinton Remarks--here I did the reseach for you!


Jackson: Not Upset by Clinton Remarks

……But, Mr. Jackson said, “Bill has done so much for race relations and inclusion, I would tend not to read a negative scenario into his comments.” ……

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/28/jackson-not-upset-by-clinton-remarks/?hp


January 28, 2008, 9:50 am
Jackson: Not Upset by Clinton Remarks

By Katharine Q. Seelye

Jackson: Not Upset by Clinton

The Rev. Jesse Jackson said late Sunday that he was not offended by comments on Saturday by former President Bill Clinton, who brought up Mr. Jackson’s name in response to a question about Senator Barack Obama.

Mr. Clinton had noted that Mr. Jackson had won South Carolina in the Democratic contests in 1984 and 1988. Pundits and many in the blogosphere interpreted Mr. Clinton’s mention of Mr. Jackson as an attempt to diminish Mr. Obama — and what would turn out to be his landslide victory Saturday in South Carolina over Senator Hillary Clinton — because Mr. Jackson had not gone on to win the Democratic nomination.

But Mr. Jackson said he did not see it that way.

“I don’t read anything negative into Clinton’s observation,” Mr. Jackson said in a phone conversation late Sunday night from India, where he is taking part in a commemoration of the 60th anniversary of the assassination of Mahatma Gandhi.
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LVjinx Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 11:47 AM
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78. Jesse Jackson DID win SC. And Clinton did not use it in the context you imply.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 12:56 PM
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82. thanks --but so many Obamafolk have put their heads in the sand.
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Citizen Kang Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 02:15 PM
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87. Nary a word on Ferraro....
and what exactly is the meaning of "Well, Jesse Jackson also won South Carolina"??? Is was meant to demean either the state or SC or the black people of the state. Just because Jesse Jackson didn't take offense, doesn't mean that many others didn't.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/01/bills-spin-obam.html

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/1/29/84852/2932

Wait for it, here is the coup d'grace

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080313/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_s_apologies

Since I doubt you will check the link, here is the headline

"Clinton apologizes to black voters"

and some snipets:

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton did something Wednesday night that she almost never does. She apologized. And once she started, she didn't seem able to stop.
ADVERTISEMENT

The New York senator, who is in a tight race with Illinois Sen. Barack Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination, struck several sorry notes at an evening forum sponsored by the National Newspaper Publishers Association, a group of more than 200 black community newspapers across the country.

Her biggest apology came in response to a question about comments by her husband, Bill Clinton, after the South Carolina primary, which Obama won handily. Bill Clinton said Jesse Jackson also won South Carolina when he ran for president in 1984 and 1988, a comment many viewed as belittling Obama's success.


You wanted research, you got it.

YOU FAIL
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 02:06 PM
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85. Ironic to hear this from a support of the most racist prez campaign since Reagan in 1980
Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 02:08 PM by jackson_dem
His constant use of the race card is likely a factor in his white support suddenly declining so dramatically.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 06:16 PM
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92. holy. fucking. shit. you've gone off the deep end, bro.
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 06:26 AM
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76. Yet again old data used by certain groups of supporters
Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 06:27 AM by intaglio
Polling data has changed
The blogosphere (of which you are a part) views Wright with more approval than Clinton - well good on them
Repeat of charge 1, old data
So, Vermont and Ohio (to name but two) have huge black populations
"Racial" remark - the one supported by his family?

JD go and get a life.
Hillary's Campaign has more dubious donors (a fact Obama has NOT pushed)
Hillary's Campaign has less money and less financial good governance
Hillary's Campaign was based on one false premise after another (anyone for an annointing?)
Hillary's Campaign started slinging mud because it was losing
Hillary's Campaign did use racial slurs then screamed about "sexism" in minor remarks

Hillary lied about her support for Nafta
Hillary lied about her trip to Bosnia
Hillary lied about her trip to Africa
Hillary lied about her participation in WH decisions

Hillary backed MCain over another Democrat
Hillary is a "Machine" politician from the soles of her feet to the top of her coif
Hillary is DLC
Hillary is a member of the "Family" religious group

Hillary's Chairman of campaign pushed the rule change which "disenfranchised" FL and MI
Bill backed McCain over another Democrat

JD you use the name Jefferson in your screen name, do you really think Jefferson would back a candidate like Hillary Rodham Clinton?

/edit spelling
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 02:05 PM
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84. In the real world the polling data hasn't changed much and the small change has been bad for Obama
Ohio does have an average sized black population and Obama won it with the usual 85-90%. His problem is he got only 27% of white Democrats and 34% of whites overall. That won't cut it in a general election where polls show Obama wins white Democrats only 75-20--Mondale-like numbers...
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:32 PM
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89. Yeh, right buh-bye
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 11:52 AM
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79. Please stop the attacks on our nominee Barack Obama. n/t
n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 12:53 PM
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80. "Please stop the attacks on our nominee Hillary Clinton"
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 02:08 PM
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86. The Backlash: Everyone Knows That Obama is a CHRISTIAN!
Relax. Its the economy, dummy. This is March and you need to chill.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:10 PM
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88. Discrimination
in who gets to transcend race was a disappointment.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:37 PM
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90. to the ignore dungeon troll
i figured you would be TSed by now.

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