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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 10:48 PM
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Why Party Insiders Want to Nominate Obama - Bob Somerby Nailed It In January
Edited on Sat Mar-22-08 10:54 PM by Crisco
This was written on the eve of the NH primary. Read this and you'll begin to understand the historic calls for Hillary to drop out of the race - that began the night of the Iowa caucus and continue now, even when there is a less than 10% gap between the amount of delegates she and BO have.


For decades, these Deception Machines have told these tales—and they’ve largely gone unchallenged. But another story is ending in New Hampshire this week—and it has gone undiscussed too.

This week, a sixteen-year story will come to an end—a story that began in New Hampshire, back in January 1992. During that period, RNC/MSM bull-shit machines have churned endless cant about Clinton-Gore-Clinton—and those stories largely went unchallenged, and they changed the world’s history. Who would be this year’s best Democratic White House nominee? We don’t have a strong opinion. But as this 16-year story now comes to an end, we think it’s important to get clear on two points. We think it’s important to see the opportunity this milestone extends to Dems and libs. And we think it’s important to understand why so few Democrats, right to this day, know about what has transpired.


A new opportunity: With the presumptive defeat of Candidate Clinton, a 16-year story will come to an end. This gives Democrats a new chance to take control of the narratives told about its leaders. By now, it’s abundantly clear that a Nominee Clinton would be subjected to endless nonsense throughout the campaign, as was the case with Candidate Gore all through 1999 and 2000. These attacks would be based on sixteen years of mainstream demonology—and it’s clear that many Dems and libs believe many parts of these RNC tales. (Let’s not pretend that we don’t.) Obama’s nomination lets Dems start again. And, with new, more aggressive liberal institutions in place, it will be harder—much, much harder—to assemble the welter of Demon Tales that were used to trash the Clintons and Gore. The defeat of Clinton will let Democrats and liberals at long last start over again.

...

The selection of Obama, not Clinton, may work out well for Dems—for the world. (There will never be any real way to find out.) But the centerpiece of this 16-year story remains that pivotal War Against Gore—the war which sent George Bush to the White House, and thereby sent the U.S. to Iraq. The dead of Iraq are in their graves because the press corps conducted that war—and good careful boys like Kevin and Ezra do know all about this. But you know the rule among good, careful liberals—you’re allowed to describe that War Against Gore only once. Josh Marshall described it to Howard Kurtz in August 2002, then his big trap shut for all time. Ezra described it four years later. Indeed, so you can recall what the Hardball ingenue said, let’s reprint his words right here. At the start of an American Prospect cover story, Ezra told the truth to the world. He was describing a 2005 address by Gore:

KLEIN (4/06): The address was the keynote for the We Media conference, held at the Associated Press headquarters in New York last October and attended by an audience that included both old media luminaries and new media innovators. In attendance were Tom Curley, president of the AP, Andrew Heyward, president of CBS News, and New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof, all leading lights of a media establishment that, five years earlier, had deputized itself judge, jury, and executioner for Gore’s 2000 presidential campaign, spinning each day’s events to portray the stolid, capable vice president as a wild exaggerator, ideological chameleon, and total, unforgivable bore.

...

YOU’RE ALLOWED TO TELL IT JUST ONCE: Would Clinton be a better candidate than Obama? A better president? We don’t have the slightest idea. But what happened to Clinton, starting in late October, is the same thing that happened to Candidate Gore. For a bit of perspective, here’s Dana Milbank, just last week, followed by Milbank and Josh in 2002. What happened to Clinton, and what happened to Gore, are all part of that 16-year story:

Dana Milbank, December 2007, describing the press corps and Clinton:

KURTZ (12/29/07): For example, Hillary Clinton. Let's say she doesn't win Iowa. Let's say she gets edged out by 1,000 votes. Is the press going to savage her as a loser?

MILBANK: The press will savage her no matter what, pretty much.


KURTZ: If she wins?

MILBANK: Well, obviously if she wins by any great margin—the press with Hillary Clinton, it's a poisonous relationship. And I visited the various campaigns out there. It's a mutual sort of disregard. And they really have their knives out for her, there's no question about it out there. So—

KURTZ: And to what extent do you think that is affecting the coverage of Senator Clinton?

MILBANK: I think it unquestionably is. And I think Obama gets significantly better coverage than Hillary Clinton does, and given an equal performance he'll come out better for it.

KURTZ: Is this because journalists like Obama better than Hillary or—

MILBANK: It's more that they dislike Hillary Clinton. There is a long history there, her antagonism towards the press. It's returned in spades. And it is a venomous relationship that I see out there.


http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh010708.shtml
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 10:50 PM
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1. They need to end this now so we can take care of McCain!!!
BTW, UCLA beats Texas A&M in a thriller to advance to the sweet 16!!! Good game Texas A&M






:applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause:
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 11:28 PM
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10. I like basketball too, and I enjoyed the game.
But what is this doing here? It should be in the lounge.

This was a good OP. The truth of it can be appreciated by Clinton and Obama supporters alike.

The injection of a sports post into a serious discussion illustrates something that I worry about when it comes to many Obama supporters. This is not a sports or sports-like event. You can be a Packers fan who hates the Bears, or a Red Sox fan who hates the Yankees. But too many Obama supporters use the analogies and the attitudes of rival fans. The taunting, the meanness, the overall lack of maturity is all too obvious.

The fate of our democracy and perhaps the fate of the world rests on an election that is not a game. I do not support Obama, and not because it is his rookie season. I don't think he has been honest. I think the press will turn on him as it turned on the Clintons, and I think that, combined with public perception and the racial divide in this country, will cause him to lose the general election.

If you think I am being angry or bitter, think again. I live in Illinois. I finished watching very negative local news coverage of Obama and his "anti-American" pastor, as the story called him, before I came to DU. The story also mentioned that the New York Times said that the Obama campaign supplied them with the picture of Bill Clinton at the White House with Wright. The implications were clear. Next up was the passport breach story. It was glossed over as affecting all three candidates, and not a big deal. If this is the way things are being reported in Illinois, I can only imagine what will come next, and how it will play in states where Obama is not regarded as the second coming.

OP, thank you again for a meaningful post. Obama supporters, I will vote for your favorite if he is the nominee. But Obama supporters, if that is who you are in real life, adjust your attitudes and get serious. We are in for a bumpy ride, and we may come up empty-handed.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 11:34 PM
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15. Thanks, But
Actually, it *is* a game. The problem is when the refs bend the rules and/or, as they have in this case, picked the winner early without telling anyone. Someone always gets their eye poked out.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 12:06 AM
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17. OMG take a load off and relax
sports are our getaway from our corrupt government. Thank god for sports.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 10:50 PM
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2. Not necessarily the correct inferences....
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 10:53 PM
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3. I tend to agree with this analysis. The RW media loves savaging
the Clintons and especially Hillary Clinton. It's part of our national pathology.

And, did you mean "histrionic" rather than "historic" in your first paragraph?
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 10:58 PM
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4. This Extends to the Full Press, Not Just the Acknowledged RW
Edited on Sat Mar-22-08 10:59 PM by Crisco
This is the mainstream press and the "liberal" press alike who have treated Hillary's campaign with antipathy.

I meant historic. Never in the past 30 years, and never to my knowledge, at all, have so many idiots attempted to publicly intimidate a candidate into bowing out of the race, let alone one with 1400 delegates while there are states left to vote.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 11:03 PM
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5. We don't have a real liberal press in this country as far as I can tell.
To clarify, I meant outlets like the NYTs right along with The American Spectator. Agreed.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 11:08 PM
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6. I Know We're On Different Sides Right Now
Edited on Sat Mar-22-08 11:10 PM by Crisco
Maybe in 5 years you'll be able to look back at all of the one-sided reporting from HuffPo, Politico, TPM, TNR, The Nation, et al. These, the self-described liberal media, are right there along with Chris Matthews this time around. They are all publishing so many anti-Clinton stories, they might as well be News Max.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 11:14 PM
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7. The thing is, it is possible to see what they are doing AND
not to support Clinton. Sort of in the same way that Spitzer is guilty AND was targeted.

I still remember when David Corn called us conspiracy theorists for calling out the Ohio vote count. In The Nation. That allowed the Public Editor at the New York Times to point to Corn and say, "even David Corn thinks you're nuts".

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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 11:25 PM
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9. Oh, Absolutely
And that's great - for people who were already pulling for Obama for their own reasons. OTOH, party & press backing is the reason I have antipathy to Obama - these are the same boneheads who foisted Kerry on us, when we could have had Dean.

Next time, they should just take it to the back rooms - I'll buy the freaking cigars.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 11:31 PM
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12. For my part, I know I've been extra hard on Clinton because
I wish she could have run a campaign that was HERS and not "Bill Light". Maybe that would have been impossible. I wasn't pro Obama to begin with but the candidates I like will never be elected in this climate. Or, in this lifetime.

I'll split the cost of those cigars with you. Macanudos.
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tibbiit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 11:30 PM
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11. I agree with you
I see it and they (press) will never stop with Hill. They will try it on Obama (are now), but Im still for him lol.
Absolutely right on:)
tib
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:29 AM
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26. Spitzer is a good example. Let's see which crimes we punish here:
Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 09:30 AM by robbedvoter
Cheney hired prostitutes AND started wars, tortured, stole from the treasury. But who gets axed? The guy who hired prostitutes and nabbed some Wall Street crooks.
The story is also good - because it illustrates the consequences of not fighting back the bullies. Folded on Spitzer? Now Patterson is under fire. Him out - gets us a GOP-er. See? No recall necessary. Fiat by scandal (another bonus of the whole AG thingy - only investigate dems)
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 11:21 PM
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8. there was general agreement here about the war on gore -- and DUERS certainly
poked fun of the RW obssesion with the clenis.

and hillary was even defended and applauded against the MSM.

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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 11:33 PM
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13. That seems to have been lost
in the Obama frenzy that now grips DU and much of the netroots. Not all these people are Democrats. But too many liberal sites have succumbed to Clinton hate and Obama worship. Even some long time posters here have turned hateful.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 11:38 PM
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16. I think it's more complicated than that.
Even just my opinion that no one but me cares about is really complicated in this contest. I see the press crucifying Clinton and, with glee, see her running a campaign I can't support, see a candidate too conservative for me rising to the occasion of attacks on him, see Bill Clinton trying to find his footing as a supporter, see the corporate Noise Machine playing our candidates off against each other.

You practically have to be a fly to just watch it all at the same time. :crazy:
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:21 AM
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24. If you read Hunting of the President - you'll see that this is not the first time
that the left fed story lines for the VRWC. Check The Nation and Mother Jones in the index of that book. Now, it's only more of it - but the same suicidal (or dirty trick?) phenomenon.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 11:34 PM
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14. The cable @ssholes were/ are just the most obvious offenders.
The quieter stuff -- like in the NYTs and at huffpo -- is harder to finger and that's, to my mind, much more insidious.

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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:23 AM
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25. Very true - and it's why I always hated NYT with a passion - more than I did Faux & the obvious
suspects.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:09 AM
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21. You're talking of the good ol' days, when dinosaurs were young, and Clenis threads
didn't get 150 recs on the first page (I remember that turning point after the Nevada caucus). Each Hillary victory send this place further to the right.
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 12:09 AM
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18. kick
and recommend
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 02:05 AM
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19. Kick.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 08:57 AM
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20. Somersby always got it. The Dem sheep lost the narrative in the 90s and insanely
Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 09:14 AM by robbedvoter
think that, without any different tools, would have different results now - with an even more intensified VRWC machine.
As some said, if BO makes it through GE, he'll be impeached day 2 in office. You think I'm exaggerating? Take a look at Governor Patterson of NY (if they overthrow him too, the next in like is a GOP-er - the Senate leader Bruno) Tabloids here have him on page one every single day - since he took office last week.
Democrats are ready to give away their HISTORY - for goodness sake - for an abject hope to power. But by erasing the Clinton administration from the history books, they only push themselves further to the fringes.
So, the whole Raygun transformational orgy is part of this big plan of making really, really nice to them, maybe this time they'll lay down and allow us to take power when we win this time. After all, we played nice and ignored two election thefts thefts - that ought to count for something....
And if keep very quiet, wear a low cut dress at dinner,pretend I am dumb, smile at all his jokes, clean the house well, ignore his affairs, drunkenness and bad smell - maybe this time my hubby won't beat me...

It's a strategy that always worked for us, non? :eyes:
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:14 AM
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22. I Have Every Expectation
That the very minute the Dem candidate is announced, the RW pr machine will fire up in earnest. I think the party believes we have our own machinery in place to counter it. Once they start seeing the attacks first hand though, if the mainstream line holds steady through November I'll be shocked.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:17 AM
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23. Yup. What pops up on Faux now it's just the tip of the iceberg - impatient kids
Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 09:17 AM by robbedvoter
wanting to show off the Christmas presents they opened ahead of time.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 12:47 PM
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28. After watching how they've tarred Clinton and now Obama
I know you are right.

The Dem leadership STILL doesn't get it. Maybe by the time they get into office, they feel too damn privileged to need to take media seriously? Howard isn't like that but Pelosi and Reid sure are.

What the media did to Bill Clinton will be NOTHING compared to what they will pull on our candidate. We should be brain storming rapid response because I seriously don't believe the DNC is.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 11:20 AM
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27. kick
for democracy
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shimmergal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 02:31 PM
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29. Kick
and recommend. Is that how I do it?

Never done so before (I'm a cyberidiot on processes etc.) but this thread is too important to lose.
Our differences over candidates are minimal compared with what's going to be ranged against us in the GE. Please, win or lose, we need to start brainstorming now on long-term ways to counter "the press's" toxic influence.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 02:38 PM
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30. Kick/Rec
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