This is Hillary Rodham Clinton

[LulaMay]

HILLARY CLINTON, IN CHINA, DETAILS ABUSE OF WOMEN

By PATRICK E. TYLER
Published: September 6, 1995

Speaking more forcefully on human rights than any American dignitary has on Chinese soil, Hillary Rodham Clinton catalogued a devastating litany of abuse that has afflicted women around the world today and criticized China for seeking to limit free and open discussion of women's issues here.

"It is time for us to say here in Beijing, and the world to hear, that it is no longer acceptable to discuss women's rights as separate from human rights," Mrs. Clinton told the Fourth World Conference on Women assembled here.

"It is a violation of human rights when babies are denied food, or drowned, or suffocated, or their spines broken, simply because they are born girls," Mrs. Clinton said, or "when women and girls are sold into slavery or prostitution for human greed.

"It is a violation of human rights when women are doused with gasoline, set on fire and burned to death because their marriage dowries are deemed too small" she continued, or "when thousands of women are raped in their own communities and when thousands of women are subjected to rape as a tactic or prize of war."

-snip-

Addressing the full conference in the afternoon, Mrs. Clinton expanded on a theme that Pakistan's Prime Minister, Benazir Bhutto, raised on Monday when she told the delegates that violence against women thrives when there is a "crisis of silence and acquiescence."

As Mrs. Clinton recited her litany from the podium, many delegates applauded, some cheered and others pounded the tables.

Continuing with references to domestic violence, genital mutilation, coercive abortions and sterilizations, Mrs. Clinton told the delegates from more than 180 countries, "If there is one message that echoes forth from this conference, let it be that human rights are women's rights and women's rights are human rights, once and for all."

-snip-

"I think she spoke from the heart and she spoke with great power," Ms. Maloney said.

-snip-



http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CEFDF133DF935A3575AC0A963958260

[loveangelc]

1. good for her but this is over 10 years old. why doesnt she speak up on this now at all?

[Hoof Hearted]

2. She does, you just don't want to hear.

[JoFerret]

100. Don't expect any recogniton of fairness

it is victim time for Obama folk

dominating the threads on DU seems to make them feel even more hard done by.

It must be all the hard work vilifying Hillary - makes them cranky

put down a dem-a-day until there is but one to worship and obey

this too shall pass

[LulaMay]

3. She does speak about equal rights, gender. I've heard Obama mention gender maybe once.

[LulaMay]

4. She is a great woman, worthy of respect, and being torn down on this board, hated. It's shameful.

[loveangelc]

6. Well Obama is being torn down and is worthy of respect too. ..

[rodeodance]

19. Suggestion--Use your 3 posts each day and post positive articles about him

[Nedsdag]

8. A "great" woman? "Worthy of respect?"

OK, I guess!

A "great" woman who threw her friends Marian Wright Edelman and Lani Guinier under the bus?

Whatever you say my friend.

[loveangelc]

10. what happened?

[rodeodance]

30. The Obama folk scorched earth policy policy hit her--like the RW does.

[akbacchus_BC]

41. Works both ways hon! You trying to bring him down, well it won't work

What happended to "let it sink' WD and Sniffa just wasting their time!

[Iceburg]

48. K&R

[sendero]

106. No she isn't..

... it takes more than the correct position on some issues and empty words to be great. She is a liar, she has NO integrity. THAT's why people don't want her.

[LulaMay]

11. Think about what the media does to her when sexism is raised. She has to work harder, be smarter

in how she addresses it. She's running for president. It is still not acceptable to discuss, whereas racism is much more so now.


She is a honorable, great woman all women, men should regard, not tear down.


There's been so much propaganda in the media, and I wish younger women especially would take a little time to find out for themselves who she is and what she's done for women, children, all people.

Rather than listening to a male dominated media.

[anonymous171]

13. You mean like vote for a war? Or for Cluster bombs? Or for the kyle-lieberman amendment?

Great for children and all people. And BTW, it was a woman (Condi Rice) who convinced Clinton to vote for the Iraq war.

[rodeodance]

26. Yes, too bad BO funded the war. Great for the women and children

[Drachasor]

40. Not much choice when it comes to funding the troops, unless you are in favor of them dying

Hillary and Obama voted the same on that.

Now making restrictions on what you can do with certain munitions, there is a choice. This is one place where Obama and Hillary diverge.

[rodeodance]

84. Give it a break--This the exact thing BUSH and His ink said. And you follow like a sheepie

[loveangelc]

16. Sexism seems to be much easier to discuss than racism judging by people

freaking out over a crazy black preacher and racism being discussed. I don't think people react the same way when the topic of sexism is brought up or issues of sexism. It's not nearly as explosive as race imo.

[LulaMay]

23. So much that he could give a very straightforward speech about it that she could NEVER give in

an election.

Not without being torn to shreds or laughed at.

[loveangelc]

27. She could if she wanted to. She doesn't want to look too feminine.

she would rather look butch and manly as opposed to feminine for fear that people would be seeing her as "weak"

Sad. I really use to respect her a lot...

[Iceburg]

50. Unlike Obama, she leads by example -- no double standards

no double tale -- no hood winking -- no bamboozeling.

[rodeodance]

18. good god!! learn a little history and stop whining

[loveangelc]

29. .

[blm]

59. And who is the Hillary Clinton who protects BushInc and undermines other Dems and their work?

Is that the same Hillary Clinton who can make a nice speech on occasion?

[OzarkDem]

61. People who don't pay attention to current events

have no credibility on political forums.

A little less focus on Hollywood gossip mags and a little more attention to real news would help tremendously.

[rodeodance]

88. you are right on.

[loveangelc]

90. it's impossible to pay attention to more than one type of thing.

maybe I like politics but its not consuming my life and its not the only issue I think about.

I probably know more about current events than you do. stfd.

[OzarkDem]

104. You consistently fail to demonstrate it

Hate is not a skill for discussing issues and developing public policy.

[loveangelc]

105. you're right. you should be taking your own advice.

[Swamp Rat]

5. This is Hillary Clinton going down in flames:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2rtBUfc6YA&feature=related

[rodeodance]

20. Why do you demean everything she does?

[Swamp Rat]

31. "Everything?"

Look, I plan to vote for her if she becomes the nominee, though I now believe this is very unlikely now. I even doubt she will be re-elected to the Senate.

Recently I have come to believe Obama is the only one of the two remaining candidates who can beat McCain. Of this I am certain.

As for criticizing Hillary Clinton, the GOP has a lot worse for her waiting for in the works. After all, they have made a past-time of hating Hillary and Bill, and have decades of ammo against her. Obama shouldn't be let off lightly either, but since I am sure they have much more dirt on her which will kill her chances in the GE.... then we'd ALL be screwed.

Obama is now my de-facto candidate.

[truedelphi]

110. Thanks SwampR.

I'm trying to decipher what the white moldy stuff coming from near Bush's nostril is.

Part of me sees a bride from a wedding cake with the frosting - but what is it really??

[Swamp Rat]

111. Well

It is an atomic bomb blast going through McCain's nose, etc.

[truedelphi]

112. Thanks. And that explains why the McC brain isn't always

Working clearly.
Sorry to ask for an aexplanation of art. I hope that won't ban me from your next postings!

[Swamp Rat]

115. Of course not!

:hug:

[truedelphi]

117. Oo-oh, my sentiments exactly! n/t

[grantcart]

32. why don't you respond when she lies?

[lligrd]

33. Why Do You Defend Everything She Does

She voted for the IWR and she lied about her trip and her experience.

[LulaMay]

37. Her speech was as important as Obama's on race. BTW-he said he didn't know how he'd have voted.

[lligrd]

38. What About The Video?

Why won't you comment on her lies?

[Drachasor]

42. That said, he didn't think he would have voted for it.

[akbacchus_BC]

43. Oh Please, nobody is demeaning Senator Clinton. She is doing that all by herself.

Meanwhile, if she is the nominee, I am sure Dems will vote for her. I have to ask you a question, if the tables were reversed, do you think Senator Obama would still be viable? What else does he have to win? Actually, I feel sorry for Senator Obama. But I sure would be jumping for joy when he gets the nomination!

[rodeodance]

95. Yes, the BO is throwing the kitchen sick at her--like the RW did for years

[mikelewis]

7. I thought you meant that you were HRC and that would kick ass!!!!

Except you're not HRC and that's sad... terribly, terribly sad.


:headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang:HRC ROCKSSSSSSSSSSS :headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang:
:headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang:HRC ROCKSSSSSSSSSSS :headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang:
:headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang:HRC ROCKSSSSSSSSSSS :headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang:
:headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang:HRC ROCKSSSSSSSSSSS :headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang:
:headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang:HRC ROCKSSSSSSSSSSS :headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang:

[anonymous171]

9. Did someone say Cluster bombs? Are those pro-human rights weapons?

[thunder rising]

12. And what did it accomplish ... nothing. Right wing style finger pointing.

[rodeodance]

22. We should be proud that the US spoke up against the abuse at that time.

[LulaMay]

35. You know nothing about the women's movement. What a surprise.

[bluestateguy]

14. Hillary has said that speeches don't matter.

So she must also live by those rules.

[rodeodance]

24. Mocking the abuses she spoke of in China makes you look foolish

[Johnny__Motown]

15. That Is Hillary Clinton Propaganda..

Try this thread... and stop editing out the truth please





http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5209643

[rodeodance]

25. Now that is a silly suggestion. ha ha

[LulaMay]

36. Shame on you.

[Umbram]

39. Yep - more like it. HRC putting trade before human rights. Thanks! (nt)

[rodeodance]

98. and another obamafolk who has problems reading the OP??-or comprehending??

[Iceburg]

54. Fact versus Fairy tales: A candidate who addresses REAL problems versus self-inflicted ones

[rodeodance]

17. Thanks for the post

[andym]

21. A wonderful speech that was the right thing to do!

A wonderful speech that was the right thing to do! This forum should be filled with this kind of post.

[rodeodance]

85. Yes, it should. from both sides.

[andym]

102. Agreed from both sides!

Agreed from both sides! I am hoping that we'll see more.

[rodeodance]

28. REC

[MadBadger]

34. If that's Hillary Clinton, than who is this?

[rodeodance]

44. BO looks so happy with Rove here:

[JohnnyLib2]

45. A positive post about your candidate, so BANG! (messenger is shot)

Recommended.

[Hav]

77. .

And because of the tone of this thread, I wouldn't have noticed it without your post.

Showing one good aspect of a candidate doesn't mean to implicate that the candidate is perfect. Maybe it just wanted to show that there are more facades to a human being that, just like Obama, gets demonized here 24/7.
We should actually welcome and encourage attempts to post positive threads about our democratic candidates instead of the usual attack threads that only aim to tear down the other candidate.

[MadHound]

46. And then her husband went and enabled these abuses to continue unchecked

As he granted favored nation trading status to China, opened up the way for large multinational corporations to establish sweatshops and slave labor camps in China, including Hillary's old fave, Wal Mart.

Gee, so much for Hillary being able to do the right thing, influence people, etc. You would think that if she felt this strongly about this issue, she would have gotten her husband to suspend these forthcoming moves, but nooooo, she just sat idly by and allowed the abuse to continue. So much for being an experienced or effective First Lady:eyes:

[Iceburg]

47. One of the many differences between Hillary and Barrack

is that when she does speak out, she does so with courage and leadership -- she addresses REAL problems -- problems that exist today, not perceived or manufactured problems.

Obama's speech while eloquent,was not an act of leadership, rather defense. It was largely a history lesson, intended to excuse his own difficulty in severing ties with a radical member of his close circle of friends and advisors, and to assuage the wavering supporters who may have been offended by the fringe and radical preachings of Jerimiah Wright.

[libbygurl]

55. Perfectly said! Thank you, Iceburg! nt

[rodeodance]

80. thanks

[indimuse]

49. k&r!!

Yes She Has!

[futureliveshere]

51. She has some fine accomplishments to her credit...BUT

The real turn-off for me was when she supported McCain over Obama and when her lies about NAFTA and Bosnia were revealed. Those are inexcusable as far as I am concerned. Obama has run a much more positive campaign and has more or less responded to her scorched earth policy. He has some fine accomplishments too which HRC has more often than not dismissed with contempt.

[rodeodance]

81. Too bad you can not read--instead of just following the sheepie.

[Vinca]

52. What has she been doing for women in the United States since

her election to the Senate? I honestly don't know - change my mind about her. I see all kinds of women and their families without healthcare. The local food pantry is always filled with women searching for food to feed the family until the next paycheck. The local thrift shop is routinely scavenged by women looking for clothing they can afford for their children. Women still make only 75% of what men make, under the best of circumstances. Affordable child care isn't available. Education that might improve a woman's lot in life is out of reach. Hillary's speech in China was wonderful, but actions speak louder than words.

[Vinca]

56. Crickets on my question. How do you expect to convert the cult

members unless you answer the questions?

[saltpoint]

68. I see the same women -- and men too for that matter -- in the

thrift shops, often with their kids, looking for school clothes.

I do not WANT to think that Hillary Clinton's desire for the presidency is the primary goal. I WANT to think she wants to be president to strengthen the village she wrote about in past years.

But I see the men and women of that village in those thrift shops and I see Hillary with Mark Penn and Rupert Murdoch and prefer all other of our 7 original announced candidates to Clinton. By a large margin, in fact.

The Clintons had 8 years in the White House. They don't have all that much to show for it.

[rodeodance]

86. Why not take the time to research her record. She has a long list of congresstional

accomplishments related to her work on women and children.

[bigtree]

53. K! and R!

:kick:

[MethuenProgressive]

57. k&r!

Looks like "Ignored" is active on this thread!

[ProSense]

58. This is Hillary Clinton

Hillary still trying to prove she opposed NAFTA

Hillary on the record:

Video: Hillary Clinton in support of NAFTA

Audio from 1996: Hillary's full comment (at about 20:50 mins.)

Also, from the DLC site:

We all know the record of the DLC, the Progressive Policy Institute and, of course, the Clinton-Gore Administration. The economic recovery plan stands first and foremost as a testament to both good ideas and political courage. National service. The Brady Bill. Family Leave. NAFTA. Investment in science and technology. New markets. Charter schools. The Earned Income Tax Credit. The welfare to work partnership. The COPS program. The SAFER program. All of these came out of some very fundamental ideas about what would work.

link

[SaveOurDemocracy]

60. LulaMay, you are a wonderful, and tireless, advocate ...

Thank you for all the accurate information you bring to this board. :pals:

[saltpoint]

62. One of the virtually insurmountable barriers HClinton faces in her

quest for the Oval Office is that she has failed to be a consistently definitional liberal.

That is, she presents sometimes -- as in the speech you cite -- as the sincere and right-on author of IT TAKES A VILLAGE, one of the more powerful visual and philosophical models around -- and presents at other times having brunch with Rupert Murdoch, whose worldview longs to bulldoze the village and erect skyscrapers full of lobbyists and accountants.

There remains also Mrs. Clinton's political and personal albatross -- her husband -- and her campaign staff's abysmally poor performance in this campaign. There have been many other large leads lost in U.S. politics but her decline has been swift and precipitous. It suggests a collective bungling of a campaign that was launched on the assumption of her ascendancy and not on defining ideas, let alone significant liberal ideas.

This is not a woman who will attract independent voters in a general election, but a woman whose campaign rationales are, more or less:

1 ) My chief campaign strategist is a pollster and a fat-cat corporate player; therefore I can't lose.

2 ) My opponents lack my campaign treasury and political celebrity; therefore I can't lose.

3 ) My chief opponent doesn't love America, but John McCain and I do love America; therefore I should be the president.

4 ) Please ignore the parts of my husband's presidency you didn't like and give me credit for the parts you did. I'm a world player. Really. I am!

5 ) My surrogates will demean the racial identity of my chief opponent for the nomination while I ridicule his oratory skills.

6 ) Despite my Ivy League education and my personal fortune and perch in the United States Senate, I'm a pitiable victim of sexism; vote for me. And by the way, did I mention that I'm the wife of a former president?

For Hillary Clinton to have squandered her political celebrity and burned through several dozens of millions of dollars without addressing basic prerequisites for a campaign, including defining ideas, is nothing short of breath-taking.

[Swamp Rat]

66. Would you like to tango, Rupert?

:hi: Good morning Old Crusoe.:hangover:

[saltpoint]

67. LOLOL! I have never seen that one, Swamp Rat. It's made my morning.

"You sly fox" !!

And the Big Dog juicin' the reed in the background!

Perfect!

[Swamp Rat]

69. While she does the FOXtrot, her campaign has taken a mortal blow.

This video, and many more like it, will not only put the final nail in the Clinton campaign coffin, it may even destroy her chances for re-election to the Senate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2rtBUfc6YA&feature=related

[saltpoint]

70. You know, Swamp Rat, it takes a BRAVE SOUL to take the time to bend down

and kiss little kids and shake diplomats' hands UNDER A HAIL OF SNIPER FIRE!!!!!

"It was a proud moment for me." Jesus!

[Swamp Rat]

72. She's toast.

[saltpoint]

76. The most objective journalist is likely to agree with you. That image

reminds me of one of those Jesus-on-a-pancake items that sells on eBay from time to time...

[rodeodance]

96. e-bay is bidding on a piece of toast with Obama image on it. Bit was 305 last I looked

[RichardRay]

103. PLEASE!!

The tango is a dance of soul, passion, agony and grace. To do it well requires physical competence and an abandonment of self.

Maybe they're doing the samba?

[saltpoint]

63. I don't see the greatness.

I see capability and drive. But no greatness.

[bridgit]

64. .

:kick:

[Lucky 13]

65. Yeah, but it's just a speech.

And we all know how one speech means nothing.

[mathewsleep]

71. to quote hillary herself "just words".

[rodeodance]

73. You look foolish when you say that as you obviously do not know her congresstional

record related to work on women and children

[saltpoint]

75. The poster is not foolish for opposing the things in Hillary Clinton he

does not respect.

And I agree with his position.

And we aren't the only two.

[rodeodance]

82. too bad

[saltpoint]

83. As for "bad," how bout them delegate bleeds?

How bout that endorsement from Gov. Richardson this week?

Not exactly encouraging trends for the Clinton campaign.

[rodeodance]

94. what is that magic number??

[saltpoint]

99. Perception plays a strong hand among county Democratic operatives,

rodeodance.

We know a handful. We know more than a handful, in fact. In more than one state.

Mr. Obama is their preference in light of how successful they're likely to be to run and win with Democrats up and down the ballot.

[saltpoint]

74. Bill Clinton came under fire from human rights activists for granting

favored nation trade status to China, having done so in the wake of its obvious violations. His wife's remarks about rights abuses here, and "the crisis of acquiencense" make for some tasty triangulating.

A house speciality at Cafe' Clinton.

[Swamp Rat]

78. How are things working out for Chinese laborers these days?

How safe are our Chinese-made toys?

'Got lead?'

[saltpoint]

79. Yep. The Chinese government is nobody's buddy.

I understand that there are capitalists out there who define 'buddy" different than I do.

But the OP gives us Hillary yapping about human rights abuses while her husband, during the same period of time, was fellating the market share for the Chinese masses.

Give a little, take a little, as they say.

[rodeodance]

87. You know it was Bush who has screwed with Nafta-and defunding the CDC/FDA

[Swamp Rat]

91. Mentioning NAFTA only hurts the Clintons.

But go right ahead, open that can of worms.

NAFTA brought about the 'great outsourcing of American jobs' to different countries, especially Mexico, a trend which continues to this day in many sectors of the economy.

[rodeodance]

97. Lots essentially like the trade--not just what Bush has done with it.

[jillan]

89. And this is one of the main reasons why I support her.

Thanks for posting!

[robbedvoter]

92. Which is exactly what bugs the males in this country...

[VADem11]

93. Just words right?

If Hillary can claim this as one of her crowning accomplishments, then why the hell does she attack Obama for making a speech opposing the war?

[mopinko]

101. just words nt

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

107. Lula, What happened with Womens Rights in IRAQ after Hillary voted for the IWR?

Answer me that.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

108. Lula kick. nt

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

109. Rights of Women in IRAQ post Clinton's IWR vote? Still waiting Lula.

What about these women? Or is that abit too sticky to approach for you?

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

118. Lula, I think you may have missed my questions on your thread.

ANSWER them please, and Thank You.

KICK

[Texas Hill Country]

113. Bravo!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

114. kick

[Beacool]

116. Hillary's speech

is considered one of the best 100 American speeches. It ranks at #35.

What a shame that this woman who has done so much for so many people is about to be thrown under the bus for a guy who's just not worthy of the nomination at this point in time.

[Alexander]

119. Did she have to duck from sniper fire while she was there?

:rofl: