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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 09:56 AM
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Of National Lies and Racial Amnesia: Jeremiah Wright, Barack Obama, and the Audacity of Truth
This is a great article written by the typical white guy - Tim Wise, looking to understand the outrage that has recently hit the nation because of Rev. Wright's words. Here are a few snippets:

But here we are, in 2008, fuming at the words of Pastor Jeremiah Wright, of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago--occasionally Barack Obama's pastor, and the man whom Obama credits with having brought him to Christianity--for merely reminding us of those evils about which we have remained so quiet, so dismissive, so unconcerned. It is not the crime that bothers us, but the remembrance of it, the unwillingness to let it go--these last words being the first ones uttered by most whites it seems whenever anyone, least of all an "angry black man" like Jeremiah Wright, foists upon us the bill of particulars for several centuries of white supremacy.

But our collective indignation, no matter how loudly we announce it, cannot drown out the truth. And as much as white America may not be able to hear it (and as much as politics may require Obama to condemn it) let us be clear, Jeremiah Wright fundamentally told the truth.


Shocking right, well read on:

Oh I know that for some such a comment will seem shocking. After all, didn't he say that America "got what it deserved" on 9/11? And didn't he say that black people should be singing "God Damn America" because of its treatment of the African American community throughout the years?

Well actually, no he didn't.

Wright said not that the attacks of September 11th were justified, but that they were, in effect, predictable. Deploying the imagery of chickens coming home to roost is not to give thanks for the return of the poultry or to endorse such feathered homecoming as a positive good; rather, it is merely to note two things: first, that what goes around, indeed, comes around--a notion with longstanding theological grounding--and secondly, that the U.S. has indeed engaged in more than enough violence against innocent people to make it just a tad bit hypocritical for us to then evince shock and outrage about an attack on ourselves, as if the latter were unprecedented.

He noted that we killed far more people, far more innocent civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki than were killed on 9/11 and "never batted an eye." That this statement is true is inarguable, at least amongst sane people. He is correct on the math, he is correct on the innocence of the dead (neither city was a military target), and he is most definitely correct on the lack of remorse or even self-doubt about the act: sixty-plus years later most Americans still believe those attacks were justified, that they were needed to end the war and "save American lives."

But not only does such a calculus suggest that American lives are inherently worth more than the lives of Japanese civilians (or, one supposes, Vietnamese, Iraqi or Afghan civilians too), but it also ignores the long-declassified documents, and President Truman's own war diaries, all of which indicate clearly that Japan had already signaled its desire to end the war, and that we knew they were going to surrender, even without the dropping of atomic weapons. The conclusion to which these truths then attest is simple, both in its basic veracity and it monstrousness: namely, that in those places we committed premeditated and deliberate mass murder, with no justification whatsoever; and yet for saying that I will receive more hate mail, more hostility, more dismissive and contemptuous responses than will those who suggest that no body count is too high when we're the ones doing the killing. Jeremiah Wright becomes a pariah, because, you see, we much prefer the logic of George Bush the First, who once said that as President he would "never apologize for the United States of America. I don't care what the facts are."


So thats his take on the 9/11 message and of course the fact that he was also quoting a white former ambassador is also pertinent as it shows that Rev. Wright was not a fringe lunatic speaking such words in isolation the way the media wants to portray this.

Here is the author's take on the "G-D America"

And Wright didn't say blacks should be singing "God Damn America." He was suggesting that blacks owe little moral allegiance to a nation that has treated so many of them for so long as animals, as persons undeserving of dignity and respect, and which even now locks up hundreds of thousands of non-violent offenders (especially for drug possession), even while whites who do the same crimes (and according to the data, when it comes to drugs, more often in fact), are walking around free. His reference to God in that sermon was more about what God will do to such a nation, than it was about what should or shouldn't happen. It was a comment derived from, and fully in keeping with, the black prophetic tradition, and although one can surely disagree with the theology (I do, actually, and don't believe that any God either blesses or condemns nation states for their actions), the statement itself was no call for blacks to turn on America. If anything, it was a demand that America earn the respect of black people, something the evidence and history suggests it has yet to do.


Here's the one on AIDS, which I though was the weakest argument. But it makes the Reverend misinformed, not necessarily evil:

Finally, although one can certainly disagree with Wright about his suggestion that the government created AIDS to get rid of black folks--and I do, for instance--it is worth pointing out that Wright isn't the only one who has said this. In fact, none other than Bill Cosby (oh yes, that Bill Cosby, the one white folks love because of his recent moral crusade against the black poor) proffered his belief in the very same thing back in the early '90s in an interview on CNN, when he said that AIDS may well have been created to get rid of people whom the government deemed "undesirable" including gays and racial minorities.


In conclusion:

So that's the truth of the matter: Wright made one comment that is highly arguable, but which has also been voiced by white America's favorite black man, another that was horribly misinterpreted and stripped of all context, and then another that was demonstrably accurate. And for this, he is pilloried and made into a virtual enemy of the state; for this, Barack Obama may lose the support of just enough white folks to cost him the Democratic nomination, and/or the Presidency; all of it, because Jeremiah Wright, unlike most preachers opted for truth. If he had been one of those "prosperity ministers" who says Jesus wants nothing so much as for you to be rich, like Joel Osteen, that would have been fine. Had he been a retread bigot like Falwell was, or Pat Robertson is, he might have been criticized, but he would have remained in good standing and surely not have damaged a Presidential candidate in this way. But unlike Osteen, and Falwell, and Robertson, Jeremiah Wright refused to feed his parishioners lies.

What Jeremiah Wright knows, and told his flock--though make no mistake, they already knew it--is that 9/11 was neither the first, nor worst act of terrorism on American soil. The history of this nation for folks of color, was for generations, nothing less than an intergenerational hate crime, one in which 9/11s were woven into the fabric of everyday life: hundreds of thousands of the enslaved who died from the conditions of their bondage; thousands more who were lynched (as many as 10,000 in the first few years after the Civil War, according to testimony in the Congressional Record at the time); millions of indigenous persons wiped off the face of the Earth. No, to some, the horror of 9/11 was not new. To some it was not on that day that "everything changed." To some, everything changed four hundred years ago, when that first ship landed at what would become Jamestown. To some, everything changed when their ancestors were forced into the hulls of slave ships at Goree Island and brought to a strange land as chattel. To some, everything changed when they were run out of Northern Mexico, only to watch it become the Southwest United States, thanks to a war of annihilation initiated by the U.S. government. To some, being on the receiving end of terrorism has been a way of life. Until recently it was absolutely normal in fact.

But white folks have a hard time hearing these simple truths. We find it almost impossible to listen to an alternative version of reality. Indeed, what seems to bother white people more than anything, whether in the recent episode, or at any other time, is being confronted with the recognition that black people do not, by and large, see the world like we do; that black people, by and large, do not view America as white people view it. We are, in fact, shocked that this should be so, having come to believe, apparently, that the falsehoods to which we cling like a kidney patient clings to a dialysis machine, are equally shared by our darker-skinned compatriots.


There is more when the author analyzes the words of some other white pastors who also preach some extremely incendiary stuff and a commentary on the different manner in which African Americans and White people view the history of America and display their patriotism.

Loving one's country does not mean blindly parroting each others view-point, wearing a flag pin or keeping a hand over ones heart. This is an overly simplistic view of a country whose population is the most multi-hued and diverse in the world and where freedom of choice should extend to everybody and that also means each one is free to choose how to show his/her patriotism. So please do go ahead and read this article which can be found at:

http://www.lipmagazine.org/~timwise/NationalLies.html


PS: I am an Obama supporter but would vote for Hillary if she is the nominee. This post has really more to do with starting a discussion on the media portrayal and demonization of Rev. Wright than an attempt to support BO.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 10:11 AM
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1. But this is what he said about Natalee Holloway. Defend this.
"One 18-year-old white girl from Alabama gets drunk on a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and 'gives it up' while in a foreign country". Combining racism and sexism in perfect harmony.
<http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Obama_s_pastor_disses_Natalee_Holloway>
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 10:42 AM
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5. SO: let's review.

You're willing to examine a lifetime worth of quotes to glean that little bit of faux-rage that you'll need to demonize the preacher and reject Obama.

We got that. Anything new??

Why does anyone on these boards need to defend this guy to you? Wright didn't kill Holloway and tasteless comments are protected by the First amendment the last time I looked. You want to toss the best political talent in a generation under the bus (where he tossed his grandma, O, Noes!!) because of what some halfwit at a pulpit squawks every week, groovy. Go vote for someone else.

That Natalie Holloway thing? I think what he might be asking is why one blond, entitled, relatively rich student is worth 20 or 50 or 100 dead black children in terms of police reaction, press time and effort, and public outcry.....Not to mention 20/20, 60 minutes, Evening magazine, ad nauseum....

Maybe she DID go on spring break to give it up. SO? My wife says lots of young women do. EVERYONE KNOWS she didn't deserve to be harmed, and certainly not killed. Take Wright's comments in context (There's THAT word again. Ew) and maybe the glib indifference he is examining here is the racism this culture shows with black Natalie Holloways as opposed to the white ones. May I suggest this is what we need to be outraged over.

I like Wright. He hasn't said a fucking thing I haven't wanted to in the last 20 years.

Now back to your regularly scheduled bullshit.
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 04:53 PM
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11. That's a World Net Daily citation, and I've found no evidence elsewhere that it is true
You are going to need stronger evidence to support your claim.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 10:13 AM
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2. just a thought
on this'Americans still believe those attacks were justified, that they were needed to end the war and "save American lives." Many people felt that the war was over and we were killing just to kill. It maybe wrong and who am I to say any of this thinking is right, I have never got it around my brain either way, but all Am did not go for the bombs when they were dropped. We are looking at it from many years later and doing some 'feel good' stuff just like we did when we bombed Germany cities off the map after they had really lost the war. I guess we can also ask about the justified reason to bomb Iraq when most of the people who took down the towers were from SA. I guess if one is mad enough he will use force in any place he hopes it will work. Maybe Wright can not understand or get the reason for all this in his head any more than I can, so he is just mad about the foolishness of it all. We would do well to maybe read more and try 'Blowback'.
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 11:04 AM
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7. Many people believe that the bombings were America testing its latest war toy n/t
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 10:14 AM
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3. Trinity United Church is gonna fight for what's right.
I guarantee you we havn't heard the last from these people.

These are real Americans with real life experiences IN AMERICA.

Anyone who doesn't see this is living with some pretty serious blinders on.
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 02:33 PM
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8. Root Cause vs Symptoms
The question is how can we go on ignoring the root causes of such anger, dissatisfaction and disillusionment and continue to focus on the symptoms. When will we wise up??
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 02:50 PM
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9. I want to tag along...
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 04:50 PM
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10. It is a Congregational Church after all.
These Churches have always been run from the bottom up and many other Churches would not understand that or the people who go to them. I can under stand what Obama is talking about and maybe people who just do as their Pastor tells them can not understand all this type thinking. It is really a very Am. church right back to 1620 and was into getting rid of slaves etc. I maybe a little one sided as I grew up going to this church.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 10:19 AM
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4. It's interesting to actually watch the controversial sermons...
Was Rev. Wight taken out of context? You can form your own opinion by watching the following videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvMbeVQj6Lw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAYe7MT5BxM&feature=related

At the very minimum, you have to admit this preacher is charismatic, and that he has some valid points.

I have to admit, I might get interested in attending church if I could find a preacher, white or black, like this man.

Perhaps the twenty year association with this preacher helped Obama develop his skills at oratory.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 10:57 AM
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6. I only came across the MLK quotation last week.
King said about the Vietnam War at his own Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta on Feb. 4, 1968:

"God didn't call America to engage in a senseless, unjust war. . . . And we are criminals in that war. We've committed more war crimes almost than any nation in the world, and I'm going to continue to say it. And we won't stop it because of our pride and our arrogance as a nation. But God has a way of even putting nations in their place." King then predicted this response from the Almighty: "And if you don't stop your reckless course, I'll rise up and break the backbone of your power.""

Lord knows the corporate media wouldn't expose the obvious similarity in MLK's and Wright's statements.

Dolts.

I first heard of that theory about AIDS circulating in the Afro American community 2 decades ago.

So it was hardly shocking to me.
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