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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 12:45 PM
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Why this white, middle-aged woman feminist voted for Obama in our primary.
Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 12:48 PM by indie_ana_500
I've heard the ridicule, the accusations that Obama supporters have inhaled the stupid dust, drunk the Jim Jones Kool-Aid. I've heard the pundits explain that Clinton has the white, middle-aged, working woman vote sewn up.

And yet, here I am. White, middle-aged, feminist by any standards, mid-level working woman who has purchased everything she owns through the sweat of her own brow (with a little sacrificial blood thrown in). Me. An Obama supporter. Oh, and I am also a left-leaning Independent who voted for Kerry and Gore.

So, why? people wonder. Why. Good question. My white friends, all Dems., are all supporting Clinton. So why is it Obama for me?

I am somewhat amazed myself, that I'm not voting for the first woman who has a clear shot at the Presidency. I have often been critical of women for not block-voting for their own interests, for not supporting other women in their businesses or careers. For choosing to support the boys, as usual (as if they need more support than they already have!). And yet, here I am not voting for the female candidate. I wish I could, but I cannot.

First, let me say that I decided my main criteria for a candidate early on, before the candidates announced. And my MAIN criteria was....change. I got fed up years ago with all that's going on with our government, and by the time I voted a straight Dem. ticket in '06, I was ready for change. Vote 'em all out of office, with a few exceptions, no matter what party they belonged to, and get a whole batch of fresh faces in.

Second, I was walking through my den, not looking at the TV, several years ago, when I heard someone speaking on TV. I don't recall now what he was saying, but I was impressed enough to stop what I was doing, turn to the TV, and say aloud...."Who the heck is THAT?" I was bowled over by his speech. The clarity of thought, the eloquence, the common sense. I found out shortly it was this guy with a funny name....Obama. I never forgot that. Note that I mention he was speaking COMMON SENSE; it wasn't JUST that he was eloquent.

Third, I decided that, besides change, I also wanted to vote for someone that I felt had integrity. Not perfect. Not saintly. I'm not naiive; I know that the political game requires some shady maneuvering sometimes. But someone fairly uncorrupt would be nice. After the candidates announced, and I took a look at those I didn't already know, I decided Obama came out on top in this category. Although I thought Clinton had many admirable traits for a presidential election, integrity wasn't one of them. Just my opinion (which I think is borne out by facts).

Fourth, I wanted someone intelligent, of course, but also intellectually curious. The flip side of Bush. Not perfect. Not asking all the right questions all the time, but asking pointed, thought-out questions. Someone who at least gives serious matters serious thought, backed by research. I thought Biden and Obama both came out on top in this category. I thought that Clinton's vote for the Iraq War, while excusable maybe for some purposes, was a clear indication that she did NOT ask questions and did NOT give that matter the serious thought it required (and that's if you look at it in a light most kind to her; the other way to look at it is that she merely voted for political reasons, and didn't care whether it was right or wrong; another way to look at it is that she stupidly thought Bush could be trusted, when everyone w/a brain knew he could not be).

So I decided I would support Obama, for the above reasons. What about experience? Judgment? The win-at-all-costs attitude that would be necessary?

Well, my answer is that I did and do care about experience. But that was not one of my top criteria. As Obama says, you can hardly find two people with more experience that Cheney and Rumsfeld, and look where that got us. Besides, I don't really know that there is any specific experience that prepares a person for the Presidency.

As for judgment, I thought that the people that Obama chose to run his campaign, as compared with Clinton's choices, made him the winner in this category, hands down. And to the extent that the candidate makes the ultimate decisions, he did that better, apparently. As for handling money, there again he showed more judgment than she did. And most importantly, he knew from the start that the resolution for the Iraq War was a bad idea, and said so on many occasions.

As for political savvyness, I thought Clinton had that one in the bag. So I gave her the winning ribbon in this category. But that is only one category that she wins in, and it's not one of my top criteria. I think that the other traits, combined, can more than out-perform this savvyness trait. And it's not like Obama was a schmuck in this category. He has proven to be cool as a cucumber, under fire, someone who thinks fast on his feet, humorous, and downright savvy in his own right. True, he doesn't go as far as she has in some areas, but I view that as a good thing that hearkens back to the ethical advantage he has over the Clintons.

I hate that this Rev. Wright matter has surfaced. That whole deal has tarnished his candidacy somewhat, to me. It tarnishes my image of his judgment, for one thing. I reconsidered my support, even. I mulled it over for days. But even before his now famous speech on the matter, I decided that I would stick with him. Why? Because even with this distasteful episode, he still is the best candidate, IMO. He still has the traits he had before...only now it is evident that he is not perfect. He still has good judgment, is the best candidate for change, is intellectually curious and very intelligent, and handles himself with aplomb and professionally as I would expect a President to do. He also still is heads above the other two, as far as integrity (yes, even WITH the Rezko rumors).

Obama is not where he is because he is black, despite G. Ferraro's opinion. He is where he is because he has gifts and is unique among others. His race plays a part of it in the sense that everything about him conjoins to make him what he is today. And part of what he is, is black. Also part of his past that made him what he is, is that he is white, is educated, lived outside the continental U.S. for a few years, is married to Michele, has oratory skills, had to learn to get along with different races, has big ears, and everything else that happened to him or that he did in his youth. He is the sum total of everything he has experienced, including being half black.

I have a sense that he would be an outstanding President. That he would do great things for our reputation abroad, our economy, our foreign policy. That he would do great things for our young people, many of whom seem disillusioned. If America has this gifted individual waiting to become our President, and doesn't have the smarts to elect him, I wonder about our future. Maybe we deserve only who we elect.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 12:53 PM
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1. well stated, especially "he has gifts and is unique among others"
it may not be fair to the other candidates for this nomination, but the reality is, people resond to this man.

They are listening to this man in unprecedented numbers.

I knew who the next POTUS should be when I saw a McCain primary victory speech right after an Obama one.
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:16 PM
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24. and if he was a woman, SHE would have been out of the race ages ago, and "feminists" such
as the OP and others wouldn't have given her a secon look. that's the reality.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:23 PM
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25. You don't know that, and you can't know that
I'd love to vote for a woman. But Clinton does not excite me. Were Obama female, in my book that'd be a "two-fer". And I think, regardless of gender, still the better candidate.

Be honest: how much of where Clinton is now is because of the last name she assumed earlier in Bill's political career? If she was a lawyer from Illinois named Rodham, do you think she'd be right where she is today? I don't.

They're both where they are and who they are because of a complex combinations of factors - some in their control and some not.

And it's really unfair to decide that anyone who disagrees with your choice cannot therefore be a feminist. Quite contrary to the idea of feminism, actually.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:26 PM
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26. and if he was a woman we would not know who she was because she would not be married to Bill
I'm just saying, I don't see Bill marrying a black woman.

In fact I can't recall one bimbo eruption that involved a black woman
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 08:37 AM
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34. Actually, no. Not if "she" Obama had the gifts and the unique qualities that "he" has.
You notice that Clinton, a woman, is still in the race and was the presumed nominee before the Iowa caucus? Clinton, a woman without oratory skills or much direct political experience. With less exalted record in academics. With about the same experience in community service as Obama, pro-rated for age.

Thing is....women are less likely to walk through fire like this campaign (Clinton is doing it because there are two of them, and one of them is a former President). And husbands are less likely to be seen as appendages of a President.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 12:56 PM
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2. K&R
This white middle-aged lady voted for Obama too.

I think I am a feminist but I've been told that I am not. Then again, I've been told a lot of things in my lifetime. I learned long ago that other people have no power over my character.

I am voting for Barack Obama because he is a man capable of finally getting all sides to come together and fix this broken nation. We need a President who won't spend the next 4 years hitting his head against the brick wall of Republican obstructionism. Like it or not, we have to get those folks across the aisle to see things our way.
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 12:56 PM
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3. Your right we only deserve who we elect however,
everyone else is stuck with the person who is elected. I think your wrong for a thousand reasons. I do not trust and like Obama. He is too young, too unstable and too republican for me as a democrat, to vote for. I am sure that you will love McCain as president. That is what your going to get if Obama is the nominee. You have allowed the MSM to dictate who you should vote for. They want McCain and they know that there is a lot of residual arsine hatred for black people. It serves their purpose. All those republican votes for Obama are just to make sure that he wins the nomination. So much easier to beat.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:03 PM
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6. Another DU psychic
I love those who have the ability to predict the future with such certainty. Win the lottery lately?
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:17 PM
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8. Too unstable and Republican?
In what way?
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:23 PM
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9. "He is too young" ???
You do realize that Obama is one year older than Bill Clinton was when he ran for president, don't you? Did you think Bill was too young to be president?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:38 PM
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13. Unstable? WTF The most grounded politician we've seen
in fifty years, UNSTABLE?

LOL!
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 12:59 PM
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4. Great analysis--I feel the way you do on most things, except that
the pastor thing did not make me doubt Obama in the least--I just thought it was a totally manufactured smear, and had nothing to do with judgment--all it showed to me is that he didn't engineer every aspect of his life for his Presidential ambitions. Just so overblown and unimportant. Anyway, good stuff.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 12:59 PM
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5. Great post.
K & R :thumbsup:
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:07 PM
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7. I ordered a couple of Women for Obama buttons...
on top of which I'm going to write; Wellesley. Hillary has Wellesley Women for Hillary buttons but I imagine that that would be too small a niche market for Obama, so I'll just have to make my own.
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LordJFT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:58 PM
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18. didn't Wellesley college democrats endorse Obama?
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 02:17 PM
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19. They very well might have.
I haven't been paying attention, but I'm not sure there's a button available. So I'm making my own.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:24 PM
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10. Middled aged feminist woman and I'll raise you, Latina.
Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 01:24 PM by sfexpat2000
:hi:
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:32 PM
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11. Well, you sure DID raise me one. Good for you!
:applause:

(and glad to hear it)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:34 PM
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12. I'm trying to figure out how to best help the campaign.
Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 01:37 PM by sfexpat2000
I'm bilingual and wonder, maybe they can have me phonebank to Latinos? Translate for them?

Anyway, si se puede! :hi:

eta: Ana, when you watch the unFoxed up sermon that Wright gave, you realize just what a hatchet job that was. It's jaw dropping! The sermon was teaching tolerance and peace and they managed to turn it inside out. :crazy:

The original (a ten minute clip, anyway, in context), is up at youtube.
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:44 PM
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14. Count me in - another white, feminist woman for Obama!
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:47 PM
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15. Absolutely right - vote "change" above all else, and Barack is the only fresh one on the block.
.
.
.

I still have my concerns that the USA will not be much nicer after the next election,

But Barack Obama is the USA's best chance IMO.

Pull Edwards and Kerry to the top if the Dems win

A country with conscience

That'd be new!
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:14 PM
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23. you're kidding, right? jeezus christ, McCain is 'change.' i'm sorry, i'm setting my standards a lit
little higher than just "change."
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:50 PM
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16. This white woman who is your elder is also supporting Obama.
I recently read that we elders are biased, racist, behind the times. I'm here to tell you that they don't have a clue what we elders think or feel or believe. They should keep one thing in mind, though. We DO have experience in reading people and filtering out the scofflaws and about to be scofflaws.

Dang, I tried to tell people not to vote for George!

Anyway, these armchair quarterbacks who are criticizing Obama need to take a look at their own accomplishments and decide if they have achieved anywhere near what this young couple has done in their short time on earth. To come from their backgrounds and jump all the hurdles they have, is incredible. I haven't done anywhere near and I'm twice their age.

Rather than tripping them up with every god-forsaken obstacle the Repugs and MSM can dig up, people should listen to this couple, read about them, walk in their shoes for a day or so and then decide if the Obamas will make a great team in the White House. I can't imagine why those kids are even bothering to give of themselves for this country...expose their children to the madness. We've seen others fall due to much less venom from this #$%^^ machine.

The Rovians won't let them succeed unless we stand strong behind them and protect them. I have made my mind up that if I see one senator or representative playing tricks with Obama's administration for political reasons (see how positive I am about them making it to the WH?), I'm sending an email to give them a piece of my mind and will be asking others to do the same.

We all know how to pull the meat out of the meal the MSM serves us everyday to find the truth vs. lies, and if both sides of Congress won't work with Obama, then we need to watch closely and do what we can to expose their tricks. I've had enough and I'm ready to fight fire with fire!

Carry on!
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:09 PM
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20. Grandma, is that you? ......
LOL LOL.

:rofl:

Nice post. Sheesh, if I ever get in trouble, I want YOU on MY side!

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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 01:52 PM
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17. K&R - very nice!!
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:11 PM
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21. well, this white middle aged feminist is voting for clinton, and yes, you have drunk the kool-aide.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:12 PM
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22. Compelling argument you have there.
Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 03:12 PM by sfexpat2000
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:29 PM
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28. blah blah blah blah blah
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 08:33 AM
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33. A well-thought out, reasoned list of fair explanations from the heart?
Not.

The caliber of Clinton supporters also played into my decision, but I opted not to go there in my post...too inflammatory, plus it wasn't at the top of the list.

But repeatedly I have seen that the Clintons and their supporters know no boundaries for behavior...even to the point of saying the Republican candidate would be a better President than my Democratic opponent. Even to the point of booing at a debate, when someone other than Clinton speaks, in an effort to silence them. To the point of pledging to surround the convention in Denver and refuse to let anyone enter, unless the Florida delegates are seated in accordance with the (illegal) primary that occurred in January.

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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:29 PM
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27. That is a mesmerizing post straight from the heart. k&r
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:32 PM
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29. I am also a white, middle-aged feminist woman who is for Obama.
He's the best candidate. That's who I vote for. I'm not voting for anyone because of their age,
sex, race, fashion sense, etc.

I vote based on who will make the best president. Obama is clearly that person.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 08:29 AM
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31. Wow...I had no idea there were that many other like me! So glad you responded.
:hi:
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:33 PM
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30. another middle-aged feminist for Obama
Would have liked a woman president. But have decided that Obama is too good a candidate to pass up -- he's the most inspirational candidate of my lifetime.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 08:30 AM
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32. Exactly. Sometimes I feel a bit guilty, but sometimes timing is right (or wrong).
Glad to know there are others like me out there. I'm the only one I know!
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 08:44 AM
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35. Yet another white, middle-aged, working woman for Obama
I wish my state (MA) had gone for Obama instead of Clinton. :(

Rest assured, Ana, you are not alone.
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