Attempts to cover for Hillary are showing that she intentionally misstated her positions

[ProSense]

Bosnia: The Pinocchio Test

Here are the updates from WaPo:

UPDATE Friday 6:45 p.m.

Lissa Muscatine, who served as Hilary Clinton's chief speechwriter in 1996 and accompanied her on the Bosnia trip, feels that I have failed to provide a full picture of what took place. She gave me her "vivid recollections" of the arrival in Tuzla, which I quote below:

I was on the plane with then First Lady Hillary Clinton for the trip from Germany into Bosnia in 1996. We were put on a C17-- a plane capable of steep ascents and descents -- precisely because we were flying into what was considered a combat zone. We were issued flak jackets for the final leg because of possible sniper fire near Tuzla. As an additional precaution, the First Lady and Chelsea were moved to the armored cockpit for the descent into Tuzla. We were told that a welcoming ceremony on the tarmac might be canceled because of sniper fire in the hills surrounding the air strip. From Tuzla, Hillary flew to two outposts in Bosnia with gunships escorting her helicopter.

UPDATE Saturday 8:45 a.m.

Gen. Nash says that I misquoted him in saying he was unaware of any "security threat" to the First Lady. While he was unaware of any "sniper threat," he now tells me there were a couple of "security concerns" that day, which he found out about after returning to his headquarters after greeting Clinton at the airport. There was a "non-specific report" of a possible truck bomb in the area. The military also had information that "some of the communications associated with the First Lady's visit were being monitored."

"In both cases, we took appropriate security action," said Nash, adding that Clinton's visit was not disrupted.

Anybody else with first-hand memories of Clinton's Tuzla trip, please send them along.

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Wow they have very good inconsistent memories, which Hillary doesn't (have a good memory).

Truck bomb? Hills?

How does this square with Hillary's account of evasive maneuvers and running under sniper fire to get to cars?

Wow, they have a General trying to do damage control over Hillary's lie!


Hillary is still trying to prove she opposed NAFTA

Hillary on the record:

Video: Hillary Clinton in support of NAFTA

Audio from 1996: Hillary's full comment (at about 20:50 mins.)

Also, from the DLC site:

We all know the record of the DLC, the Progressive Policy Institute and, of course, the Clinton-Gore Administration. The economic recovery plan stands first and foremost as a testament to both good ideas and political courage. National service. The Brady Bill. Family Leave. NAFTA. Investment in science and technology. New markets. Charter schools. The Earned Income Tax Credit. The welfare to work partnership. The COPS program. The SAFER program. All of these came out of some very fundamental ideas about what would work.

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[slinkerwink]

1. kicking and recommending

[roguevalley]

9. capable, could, might. God grief. She's posing a possible scenario

as if it happened. They are suffering a group delusion. Or, they are putting personal loyalty over honor and country.

[slinkerwink]

10. The Clintons don't care about the Democratic Party

[caledesi]

12. sounds like a the Bush cabal. NT

[mudesi]

2. kick

[cliffordu]

3. They are NOT going to put the First Lady of the United States of America

In a position where she can get her ASS shot off by some idiot with a deer rifle in some Baltic shithole.

THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DO THAT, and for all you halfwits that say she is the very image of George S. Patton, flyin' in low and running doubletime to do a little Chuck Norris roll into the bunker and adjust her weapon and her beret, no one here is buying it!!!


Fock.

[Scurrilous]

4. K & R

:kick:

[BumRushDaShow]

5. K&R and the triangulating and backpeddling begins.

How many more are going to try to cover up what the video shows?

They are basically building Bosnia up as if it were the Iraq Green Zone under attack. :eyes: And it kills me that they keep thinking that neither Sinbad nor Sheryl Crow "count" as witnesses who were right there. Invisible people, invisible caucus states... all the same.

[sallyseven]

6. Your full of nonsense

Its all bull. Your just making stuff up.

[BumRushDaShow]

7. Thanks for kicking the thread!

:hug:

[ProSense]

15. Huh? n/t

[VolcanoJen]

19. The sense of denial in the face of all evidence to the contrary...

... is frankly frightening to me.

I truly do not understand it.

[Johnny__Motown]

21. The Bosnia stuff is irrefutable

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2rtBUfc6YA&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOsGo_HWP-c



It simply can't be argued. She lied, not once but at least twice. Listen to the audio on both those clips. They are different statements from her.

[bvar22]

27. No.

It is very clear from the evidence presented that Hillary is "just making stuff up".

[Divernan]

31. Who ya gonna believe, Sally7, HRC or your lying eyes, ears & video cam?

(And the proper spelling for your post is "you're", as in a contraction of the words, "you are", not "your" - a possessive pronoun.)

The evidence is overwhelming that there were no snipers, she was not under fire, the greeting ceremony (complete w/little girl) was not cancelled, and HRC did not have to duck her head and run for a vehicle. Of particular evidentiary weight are the contemporaneous accounts of reporters covering the event.

I wonder how much pressure HRC is putting on poor Chelsea to lie for good ole Mom? Chelsea is a very bright woman - she's probably more horrified than we all are to hear her mother's unbelievable distortions of the episode.

[HereSince1628]

8. Claiming W2 is a great thing will lose Wisconsin for her.

It might pick off a few moderate Republicans who hate so-called "welfare moms", but Democrats as a whole aren't very happy with the results of the W2 reforms here.

[williesgirl]

11. k&r

[UALRBSofL]

13. It comes as no surprise to me that there are many Obama supporters that

fabricate the issues. It just goes to show how they cherry pick, choose sound bites and distort the facts. Are Obama's supporters who are doing these dirty politics a reflection of Obama's Campaign, a reflection of Obama's character and leadership. This is something the public will have to deside upon in the coming months as we see more of the underhanded ways the Obama Campaign will go to win the democratic nomination.

Obama has been caught in several lies during this campaign, most recently when he said he had never heard any of Wright's inflammatory comments before but admitted the next day in his speech that he had. Or when he told an interviewer that Austan Goolsbee had never met with Canadian officials - "didn't happen" were his words - and subsequently a memo surfaced which caused Goolsbee himself to admit the meeting had occurred. The difference is that he is never called to account for these untruths either by the media or his loyalists. Clinton recalled the Bosnia flight as one where she and Chelsea were ordered into the cockpit and told to wear flak jackets, then advised of potential sniper fire on the ground. Her statements are cherrypicked and made to look like monstrous lies. All's fair in politics, but at least admit the possibility that Barack Obama's campaign plays the spin game and shades the truth with the best of them.

[ProSense]

14. "Clinton recalled...ordered into the cockpit and told to wear flak jackets"

equals running from the plane under sniper fire to cars to get to a base she landed on?

It's BS!

[BumRushDaShow]

24. The problem with Mrs. Clinton

is that when Sinbad, who was accompanying her, remarked in essence, that she must have mis-remembered the whole bit about sniper fire and running to the car, what did she do in response? Rather than back off the phony story and maybe laugh it off as being a long time ago and perhaps she didn't remember all the details, she arrogantly dismissed Sinbad as just "a comedian", and then went on to repeat the story, embellishing it even more. :eyes: At least Obama admitted to his slips. She has yet to back off her crap. But then how can she if "experience" was all that she had as her campaign point?

Stick a fork in her.

[Divernan]

29. Straight from HRC's daily talking points to DU - make sure you get paid upfront!

[Joe Chi Minh]

16. Hillary and McCain seem to have a Diebold-type malfunction.

They make a particular claim one day, and later it will switch to the diametric opposite in the twinking of an eye - before your very eyes and ears.

[ClassWarrior]

17. Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.

NGU.

[ProSense]

25. It's interesting to witness how

some people are trying to detach Hillary from her own contradictions and lies, her own words.

[VolcanoJen]

18. The first two paragraphs of this NYT article are devastating...

... to her claims of "35 years of experience," too. Right in the thick of it, eh?

Clinton's schedules offer chance to test assertions - NYT

When the World Trade Center was attacked for the first time on Feb. 26, 1993, President Bill Clinton flew to New York to be briefed on the attack and the response by city, state and federal authorities. According to newly released White House calendars of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s time as first lady, Mrs. Clinton stayed behind in Washington to attend a photo shoot with Parade magazine and a performance of “Jesus Christ Superstar.”

Seven years later, in October 2000, Mr. and Mrs. Clinton were enjoying a quiet weekend at their new home in Chappaqua, N.Y., when word came that the Cole, an American destroyer, had been attacked in a Yemen port. Mr. Clinton rushed back to the White House to deal with the crisis. Mrs. Clinton returned to the campaign trail in her run for the Senate.

[futureliveshere]

20. K&R

[suston96]

22. So the general says they took appropriate security action but there was no threat? Got it! nt

[ProSense]

23. "the physical risks were minimal during this period...at a heavily fortified U.S. air base"

THE FACTS

As a reporter who visited Bosnia soon after the December 1995 Dayton peace agreement, I can attest that the physical risks were minimal during this period, particularly at a heavily fortified U.S. air base, such as Tuzla. Contrary to the claims of Hillary Clinton and former Army secretary Togo West, Bosnia was not "too dangerous" a place for President Clinton to visit in early 1996. In fact, the first Clinton to visit the Tuzla Air Base was not Hillary, but Bill, on Jan. 13, 1996.

Had Hillary Clinton's plane come "under sniper fire" in March 1996, we would certainly have heard about it long before now. Numerous reporters, including The Washington Post's John Pomfret, covered her trip. A review of nearly 100 news accounts of her visit shows that not a single newspaper or television station reported any security threat to the first lady. "As a former AP wire-service hack, I can safely say that it would have been in my lead had anything like that happened," Pomfret said.

According to Pomfret, the Tuzla airport was "one of the safest places in Bosnia" in March 1996 and "firmly under the control" of the 1st Armored Division.

Far from running to an airport building with their heads down, Clinton and her party were greeted on the tarmac by smiling U.S. and Bosnian officials. An 8-year-old Muslim girl, Emina Bicakcic, read a poem in English. An Associated Press photograph of the greeting ceremony, below, shows a smiling Clinton bending down to receive a kiss.

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That was a reporter's testimony!

We heard about the grenade in the crowd when Bush was in Georgia, the ground fire during McCain's trip, and even the storm incident on the recent Kerry and Biden trip. When Presidents and Senators faint or puke overseas, we hear about it. If Hillary and Chelsea had run head down to avoid sniper fire, it would have been all over the news.

The photo, records and video completely debunk Hillary's claim. Will the media give her a pass?

[fedupinBushcountry]

26. K&R

:kick:

[donheld]

28. K & R

[ProSense]

30. "You have questioned my patriotism." (hypocrisy)

Leading Obama Adviser Attacks Ex-President for Remarks

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In response to reporters in Oregon on Friday, General McPeak compared the former president to Senator Joseph R. McCarthy, who aggressively pursued those he believed to be communists in the 1950s. “I was going to college when Joe McCarthy was accusing good Americans of being traitors, so I’ve had enough of it,” General McPeak said.

The bitter exchange between the surrogates for Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama highlighted the rising tensions between the two Democratic presidential candidates in their prolonged fight for the party’s nomination.

“To liken these comments to McCarthyism is absurd,” said Phil Singer, a Clinton campaign spokesman. He said General McPeak was misinterpreting the remarks, suggesting it was an intentional effort to divert attention from a controversy involving inflammatory statements by Mr. Obama’s former pastor.

Never mind the NYT's biased headline: "attacks"?

Singer is continuing to push the phony smear against Wright.

CLINTON: Ross gave a good answer but I've got to respond directly to Mr. Bush. You have questioned my patriotism.

BUSH: (Inaudible).

CLINTON: You even brought some right-wing congressman into the White House to plot how to attack me for going to Russia in 1969-70, when over 50,000 other Americans did. Now, I honor your service in World War II, I honor Mr. Perot's service in uniform and the service of every man and woman who ever served, including Admiral Crowe, who was your Chairman of the joint Chiefs and who's supporting me. But when Joe McCarthy went around this country attacking people's patriotism he was wrong. He was wrong. And a senator from Connecticut stood up to him named Prescott Bush. Your father was right to stand up to Joe McCarthy, you were wrong to attack my patriotism. I was opposed to the war but I loved my country and we need a president who will bring this country together, not divide it. We've had enough division. I want to lead a unified country.

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Bill 1992, meet Bill 2008!

Not only did Bill question Obama's patriotism, he like Hilary also despicably lavished praise on McCain in the video.

He knew exactly what he was implying!

Obama Campaign Attacks Clinton’s Ties to Lobbyists, Defends McPeak

Campaign topper Plouffe says Clinton has been “wallowing” in support from lobbyists during campaign, says she’s gotten $900,000 in contributions.

Also says Obama probably wouldn’t have used same words as supporter Gen. McPeak, but thinks general had a “fair reading” of B. Clinton’s quote. Says questioning people’s patriotism has “no place.”

Listen to audio of full call here.

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[me b zola]

32. PSA: "The More You Know..."

K&R

[ProSense]

33. Confirmed, Hillary lied repeatedly about sniper incident

Clinton ‘Misspoke’ About Bosnia Trip, Campaign Says

By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE

The Clinton campaign says Senator Hillary Clinton may have “misspoke” recently when she said she had to evade sniper fire when she was visiting Bosnia in 1996 as first lady.

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Asked today to square her recent descriptions with these accounts, Howard Wolfson, her spokesman, referred to several contemporaneous news accounts that described the region as hostile. He then added: “It is possible in the most recent instance in which she discussed this that she misspoke in regard to the exit from the plane, but there is no question if you look at contemporaneous accounts that she was going to a potential combat zone, that she was on the front lines.”

Asked at a later point in the call to clarify his comment, Mr. Wolfson said that news accounts at the time made clear that the area in which she was landing was “a potential combat zone and was hazardous.”

He said that in her memoir, “Living History,” she wrote about sniper fire in the hills and “clearly meant to say that” when she brought it up last week. He said she had described the event many times the same way and that “in one instance she said it slightly differently.”

A third reporter then asked about it, prompting Mr. Howard to read the relevant passage from her book, in which she wrote: “Due to reports of snipers in the hills around the airstrip, we were forced to cut short an event on the tarmac with local children.” He repeated that this was the one time in which she misspoke.

But this formulation was at least the second time in recent weeks that she described the sniper fire. She mentioned it on Feb. 29 in Waco, Tex., when she was rolling out her “red phone” commercial, recalling the trip to Bosnia and saying that the welcoming ceremony “had to be moved inside because of sniper fire.”

[Melinda]

34. The Earned Income Tax Credit was birthed in 1975, long before the DLC was born.

One more example why the DLC = DINO Liars Club.

[ProSense]

35. Suddenly, Wolfson wants to drop it!

Clinton 'misspoke' about '96 Bosnia trip

By ANN SANNER, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign said she "misspoke" last week when saying she had landed under sniper fire during a trip to Bosnia as first lady in March 1996.

The Obama campaign suggested it was a deliberate exaggeration by Clinton, who often cites the goodwill trip with her daughter and several celebrities as an example of her foreign policy experience.

During a speech last Monday on Iraq, she said of the Bosnia trip: "I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."

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When asked Monday about the New York senator's remarks about the trip, Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson pointed to Clinton's written account of it in her book, "Living History," in which she described a shortened welcoming ceremony at Tuzla Air Base, Bosnia-Herzegovina.

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"This is something that the Obama campaign wants to push 'cause they have nothing positive to say about their candidate," Wolfson said during Monday's conference call.

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[ProSense]

36. Hillary's NAFTA lie in focus! n/t