Senator Obama shows poor judgement

[Taxmyth]

Obama: I trusted Rezko
Senator says friend raised more money than previously known

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-obama-rezkomar15,0,2968927.story

Antoin Rezko, a former Obama fundraiser who is on trial facing extortion charges, helped raise up to $250,000 for the Illinois senators past political campaigns, nearly $90,000 more than the Obama campaign previously acknowledged.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/blogentries/index.html?bbPostId=Cz8VNxdoPf3DxCzAZ7DZPKc3gnB8TvPYgHj6VwCz3oeeB4YJcHk&bbParentWidgetId=B7sYvm7oI1Qmz1ERanb5EfZn

'Guys, I mean come on. I just answered like eight questions."

http://www.youtube.com/v/rbkhzsTwz_g&hl=en

During his 12 years in politics, Sen. Barack Obama has received nearly three times more campaign cash from indicted businessman Tony Rezko and his associates than he has publicly acknowledged, the Chicago Sun-Times has found.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/432197,CST-NWS-obama18.stng

There is WAAAAAAY too much we don't know about Senator Obama and his friends.........

[Johnny__Motown]

1. LET IT SINK

[Taxmyth]

17. Strange

Why would anyone want Senator Obama's chances at being the Democratic nominee as President "just sink"? The fact is that there is not enough known about Senator Obama and his relationship with Rezko and their deals.

[democrattotheend]

21. Why does this fall under "Let It Sink"?

I thought let it sink was just for posts that are hateful or inflammatory. This post contains info that's out of date but it's not racially charged or hateful.

[Taxmyth]

44. Gaming the message boards

Valid concerns critical of Senator Obama should not be seen or discussed in a forum is what the term "let it sink" means. To me that says "Hide the Truth and the voters be damned". Now maybe my analogy is off or maybe not. Only time will tell.

[rodeodance]

26. too bad not all BO folks are sheepie

[jonnyblitz]

29. apparently these "brilliant" Obama folk don't realize that

if they want the thread to sink it probably isn't a good idea to kick the thread by posting in it!! :rofl:

[rodeodance]

32. it takes time. they will catch on

[indimuse]

34. ha!

so true! lol...

[JoFerret]

46. Great idea

I am letting this sink by commenting on your LIS

[Lilith Velkor]

57. There it goes

Oops I kicked it again.

[emilyg]

2. Repugs are salivating.

[rodeodance]

28. and BO did this all by himself.

[Taxmyth]

42. Salivating to expose the dirt on Senator Obama

Which even WE don't know yet. His verbal dancing with the Rezko involvement is something to be concerned about.

[Lucinda]

Thanks for the links!

[JimGinPA]

3. Do You Really Want To Engage In A Pissing Contest Regarding Questionable Donors?

:shrug:

[Bobbieo]

5. Keep it up folks - McCain and Co really loves this stuff!!!

[Mezzo]

55. We aren't telling them anything they don't already know...and have staffs, investigators, etc...

Anyone thinking they're alerting the republicans to strategies they hadn't already contemplated must be suffering from delusions of grandeur. Cripes, when all else fails with them, they'll just make up whatever the fuck they want anyway.

It's what they can make stick.

[Taxmyth]

43. Questionable donors or lies about questionable donors

Senator Obama or his campaign staff telling lies about the amounts he received from Rezko is something to be concerned about.

[BOSSHOG]

4. How could he possibly show poor judgement?

Perfect people don't show poor judgement. That pedestal his cult has put him on is getting higher by the day.

[uponit7771]

7. You're starting to sound bitter, no one expects perfection and Obama has shown better judgement when

...it comes to being upfront about something he didn't have to.

I would've told the media and other haters to kiss my ass by now.

[Taxmyth]

45. Fair is fair

I only ask that we know as much about Senator Obama as we do about Senator Clinton. As of right now, we do not. This suggests to me that Senator Clinton is the LEAST LIKELY Presidential Candidate to have something pop up in October that will blow the election right out of the water for the Democratic Party. Let's see HIS tax returns for all years, let's see HIS agendas and planners from his time as State Senator. Or is there a problem with demanding the same things from him Senator Clinton is being asked for?

[BOSSHOG]

54. I agree

that the candidate is showing pretty good judgement amidst the turmoil however his supporters are another matter when it comes to judgement. I'm not bitter, I'm looking forward to at least 8 years of democratic control in DC. A candidate cannot tell anyone to kiss his ass and must realize and steele himself for a marathon, not a sprint. The campaign is not soon over for the dem nominee it is soon beginning.

[uponit7771]

6. All of the links establish Obama great character for being upfront when he didn't have to. There's..

..NOTHING unlawful in what he did or even immoral when the time line has been entered into the equation.

[Taxmyth]

11. telling lies maybe?

Seems the Obama campaign gets a little mixed up when you bring up Rezko and even the good Senator himself gets a little panicky. Are these lies about campaign contributions or just simple mistakes.......I see where a certain former First Lady who went to Bosnia to enhance the morale of US Troops might of mis-spoke about the trip but to many of the Obama supporters it is an indication of her prevaricating and being unfit for office. What does Senator Obama's errant truths about Rezko say to us?

[bellasgrams]

15. We don't really know if anything is unlawful at this time. BO

is just preparing supporters for what will come out in his appearance in court. But his misjudgment of the amounts of cash are predictable and I'm sure there's more to come. His poor judgment in his business dealings are very telling in the way he conducts himself.

[not_too_L8]

8. And Hillary lies about her experience

[Taxmyth]

12. Mis-spoke or lied?

I can see someone getting confused about being told to expect sniper fire when landing in a war zone and then telling the story a decade later and getting parts of the trip mixed up.......I can't see why Senator Obama has to lie about the amounts he got from Rezko....oh wait, yes I can.

[desi]

27. Obama tells us one lie on Friday

and forgets he said it on Monday.

K&R

[Taxmyth]

47. Something to worry about

All these (I like to use the term Freepers because their spelling is consistent with what I witnessed on message boards especially in 2000 and 2004) er, people, are demanding that Senator Clinton drop out of the race when we barely have scratched the surface of who this Barack Obama really is. Sounds like a well devised strategy and if that's my aluminum foil hat getting in the way, then let's just say finding out more about Rezko and Obama is politically prudent and designed to avoid a mistake.

[DearAbby]

9. Camptown races sing this song

doo dah doo dah.....

Let it sink

[nonconformist]

10. K & R nt

[1776Forever]

13. Let's say we know way too much about the Clinton's and why isn't it being talked about more????

How can anyone say that the following won't be a conflict of interest if HRC gets the nomination?

Bill Clinton Severs Ties With Burkle, May Reap $20 Million

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/22/bill-clinton-s...

Wall Street Journal | John Emshwiller | January 22, 2008

Former President Clinton stands to reap around $20 million -- and will sever a politically sensitive partnership tie to Dubai -- by ending his high-profile business relationship with the investment firm of billionaire friend Ron Burkle.

Mr. Clinton is negotiating to end his relationship with Mr. Burkle's Yucaipa Cos. as part of a broader effort to protect the presidential campaign of his wife, Sen. Hillary Clinton, from potential conflicts of interest. Details of Mr. Clinton's involvement in Yucaipa and his efforts to unwind it come from documents and interviews with people familiar with the matter.

............

Which goes along with this:

Posted Tue Jan 15, 2008

Clinton, demanding transparency, fails to disclose chief campaign strategist's ties to UAE wealth funds

http://www.jedreport.com/2008/01/hillary-clinton.html

During Tuesday night's Democratic presidential debate, Hillary Clinton renewed her call for "aggressive" measures to reign in sovereign wealth funds, the investment funds owned by oil-producing states like the United Arab Emirates and Kuwait. She said she was "very concerned" about the multi-trillion dollar funds which are now buying substantial shares of American enterprises such as Citigroup and Merill Lynch.

Clinton, who first raised this issue six weeks ago, said the funds "need to be more transparent," adding "we need to have a lot more control over what they do and how they do it."

Despite Clinton's tough talk about transparency, she failed to disclose that her chief campaign strategist has close business connections with sovereign wealth funds owned by Abu Dhabi and Dubai, two small -- but oil-rich -- emirates located on the Persian Gulf coast.

The Clinton strategist, Mark Penn, is worldwide CEO of Burson-Marsteller, one of the most powerful lobbying and public relations firms in the world.

Burson-Marsteller represents sovereign wealth funds in at least two emirates

Last August, the Abu Dhabi Investment Authority, a sovereign wealth fund, hired Burson-Marsteller to represent its global interests.

Three months later the fund invested $7.5 billion in Citigroup, giving it a 4.9% stake in Citigroup and making it the firm's largest shareholder.

Before Abu Dhabi's investment, Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal was Citigroup's largest shareholder, a title he will likely reclaim after Tuesday's announcement that he will expand his 4.4% stake in the company.

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Let alone Vin Gupta trial that backers filed on him about giving so much money and free trips and jet use to the Clintons:

http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/may/30vin.htm

and Paul v. Clinton coming up in Nov. '08! These are things that aren't going to go away and they will come up in Nov. if she demands the nomination!

http://www.peterfpaul.com/2008/03 /

Obama Rezko Grilling Proves Media Double Standard Covering Up Hillary Clinton’s Galagate

(snip)

According to the Department of Justice’s Office of Public Integrity in statements by prosecutors in May, 2005 - it is a felony to “deny the public the right to know Peter Paul personally contributed more than $1.2 million to Hillary Clinton’s Senate campaign” (Pp 52,55,74,79 Dan Schwager’s Jury Summation, USA v Rosen)

Commencing on August 14, 2000, through the present day- Hillary has denied accepting any money at all from Hollywood Dot com Millionaire Peter Paul through two deceptive articles in the Washington Post, false statements by Hillary’s attorney David Kendall, four false FEC reports, false statements to FEC investigators and General Counsel and a false sworn declaration in the civil fraud case that included Hillary as a co-defendant- Paul v Clinton.

Hillary has refused to correct her January 30, 2006 FEC report (Pages 34-35 re:Event 39-The Gala Hollywood salute to President Clinton, which itself is a crime. This report misstates that a payment of $839,000 was made by Hillary’s campaign to two of Peter Paul’s dummy companies, Excelsior and Paraversal, (instead reporting the in kind donation of $1.2 million as explained by the FBI and DOJ in the Rosen case) The false FEC report also states that $225,000 was a personal contribution from Stan Lee - even though Lee has sworn he made no such donation, as he confirmed under oath in a videotape deposition.

While Hillary Clinton has repeatedly chastised Barak Obama for his relationship with, and contributions from Illinois political fixer Tony Rezko- even though Obama always admitted receiving Rezkp’s contributions and then refunded them- Hillary refuses to admit soiciting and coordinating $1.2 million plus from Peter Paul and the relationship she and Bill established with him that caused him to become her biggest donor to her Senate race by a magnitude of 3 ! The media has never demanded Hillary personally respond to any question about Hillary and Bill Clinton’s connection with Paul. Paul caused the indictment and trial of Hillary’s finance director for defrauding the FEC and the only fine to be imposed by the FEC on Hillary’s Senate campaign- for knowingly filing 3 false reports that hid more than $720,000 donated by Paul.

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Just type in Paul v Clinton in YouTube and you will find a lot more on this.

Here is the part 1 of one done by Peter Paul http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw


Nothing here??? Follow the money!

[Taxmyth]

18. Better to know then to face an October surprise

And these issues have been shredded, dissected and discussed. But not so with Senator Obama and there is much more we need to know about him. These admitted lapses in judgement on his part are not comforting.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

14. A Major Bonehead!

[Taxmyth]

50. Bonehead being the operative word

Bonehead was the word that Senator Obama used about himself when describing his business dealings with Rezko. Do we really want another Bonehead in the Oval Office?

[anonymous171]

16. lol rezko

:rofl:

[Taxmyth]

19. That's a lot of money to be mistaken about

And certainly not anything to laugh about.

[Fluffdaddy]

20. This Rezko thing does not have legs, but it does show poor judgement

on BHO's part

[Raffi Ella]

22. Yes,He does.BIG TIME.

and you're right,we know zilch about him and the stuff we DO know is not good.


great post - thanks and WELCOME to D.U. :)

[Taxmyth]

51. Thank you

And I agree with what we do know is not all good. And as prudent Democratic Party supporters we should demand that this information be given to us by Senator Obama. Release ALL your tax returns, release your papers from the State Senate, Senator Obama. Do it for the good of the Party so that we can all be assured that you are the right candidate for the Democratic nomination for President. Do it not and risk an October surprise that will blow the Party back another 10 years.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

23. Kick.

Just because...

[rodeodance]

24. REC

[rodeodance]

25. YES---his campaign theme is in the gutter

[desi]

30. Today's Lie via RW radio!

Claims his hateful anti-American racist/bigoted preacher has built one of the "best" churches in Chicago. Yeah second only to Farrakhan's...

[rodeodance]

31. guess the RW is now BO's buddy

[desi]

36. He's been pandering to the radical religious right

just as much as he's been pandering to the extremist fringe left. He may disappoint both.

[Taxmyth]

52. They want to spin that positively

There is no way to spin "Goddamn America" spoken from the pulpit by any Pastor of any race, creed or religion in the United States. I go to Church on Sundays (sometimes Saturday) to receive spiritual guidance and to promote positive community involvement. If the Church(es) I attended had a Pastor or a speaker use the words that Pastor Wright did, I would have walked out and never went back and told everyone I knew why.

[bigtree]

33. He misspoke

[indimuse]

35. k....and

R!!

[OzarkDem]

37. Let's not wait until the GE

to see if Obama can weather these personal "storms".

[Taxmyth]

39. I don't think he can

Just how deep does this Obama / Rezko connection go. Did Rezko get jobs for Obama staffers? These lies are coming from someone we really know very little about......and if they are not lies then he shouldn't mind releasing all his papers from his stint as a State Senator.

[xchrom]

38. kick

[johnnydrama]

40. question

number of dead from Obama's friendship with Rezko??

[Taxmyth]

41. We don't know the number of dead

because this has not been fully investigated. Once all the facts are in evidence and it seems that not all are at this point in time, we will have a better picture. Senator Clinton has been investigated ad nauseum and while I thought some of the inquiries were unnecessary, it turns out that this is really information that needs to be known about a Presidential Candidate BEFORE they run for office. We KNOW about Senator Clinton because she has been through a thorough investigative process and we know what can be brought up and how to deal with that because we know the facts. The same cannot be said for Senator Obama.

[DawgHouse]

48. Thanks for the links!

[Hawkeye-X]

49. Ok, Rezko is a Clinton problem now - Google "Individual H"

and in other words...

[Taxmyth]

53. If Senator Obama lied about the amounts

then it's entirely possible he's prevaricating on other facts in this matter. Further investigation is warranted and further comments will be forthcoming. Chicago newspapers doing their part to investigate, others will as well. If there is nothing there then there is nothing there and Senator Obama not being forthcoming about the amounts he received from Mr. Rezko will be a moot point. The fact is, we don't know yet and we don't want to find out bad news in October.

[zulchzulu]

56. A common statement in the links: "Obama has not been accused of any wrongdoing in the Rezko trial"

With the reality sinking in that Hillary Clinton has about a 5% chance of being the nominee, it's funny watching them poke at Obama so desperately.

If McCain wants to bring it up, there's this funny thing called the Keating Five (which he was part of) that cost taxpayers BILLIONS of dollars.

Hillary supporters can henpeck all they want to Obama, but frankly, it's pointless.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

58. Wherer's Sen Obama's tax returns for those years?!? Why hasn't Obama released his tax returns?