BREAKING-Hillary herself acknowledges she "misspoke" about sniper fire.

[jenmito]

Too bad she didn't tell the truth-that she LIED. She called it a "minor blip." Per MSNBC.

ETA full quote:
"What I was told was that we had tro land a certain way and move quickly because of the threat of sniper fire. So I misspoke-I didn't say that in my book or other times but if I said something that made it seem as though there was actual fire-that's not what I was told. I was told we had to land a certain way, we had to have our bulletproof stuff on because of the threat of sniper fire. I was also told that the greeting ceremony had been moved away from the tarmac but that there was this 8-year-old girl and, I can't, I can't rush by her, I've got to at least greet her-so I made a-I took her stuff and then I left. Now that's my memory of it...I went to 80 countries, you know. I gave contemporaneous accounts, I wrote about a lot of this in my book. You know, I think that, a minor blip, you know, if I said something that, you know, I say a lot of things-millions of words a day-so if I misspoke, that was just a misstatement."

Philadelphia Daily News

[MidwestTransplant]

1. What I want to know is that if this was so dangerous, why did Chelsea go along?

I personally wouldn't think this was a big deal but for the fact that if this were Obama, the Clintons would go nuclear.

[jenmito]

7. Exactly. And not only that, there was a longer explanation that made the lie sound even

LESS believable. Something about being TOLD there was sniper fire before they landed and after she landed there was a possibility of danger but there was a young girl standing there so she couldn't ignore her. :rofl:

[TwilightGardener]

15. So the young girl was braver than Hillary, who was just panicked and

jonesing to run--brave, brave little girl!

[jenmito]

31. Yes. What a brave little 8-year-old and scaredy-cat 1st Lady!

:rofl:

[Rubiconski2009]

57. People are being very unfair here.

The last time I went to a Sheryl Crow concert, I had to crawl through a minefield and defuse several bombs.

:crazy:

[jenmito]

59. Good point.

:hi: :D

[TheDonkey]

18. "the front lines!" Too dangerous for a president but ok for the president's teenage daughter

to casually walk around the tarmac with no protective gear.

She lied. Now it is time for the media to look at all the other things she has been lying about in her "35 years" of experience.

[PoliticalAmazon]

26. Okay, now THAT's funny. n/t

[roguevalley]

77. Bill was at the same airport in January before her.

[sniffa]

30. To pad her resume for her future Hedge Fund career

That's probably why she got that job.

[DJ13]

2. New Hillary campaign mascot

:rofl:

[jenmito]

33. ...

:rofl:

[grantcart]

53. where do you guys find this stuff? Do you search or do you have like

thousands of clever little pictures ready for use? lol

[azmouse]

3. Jonathan Alterman:

(paraphasing)
Instead of hemming and hawing just acknowledge the mistake, maybe using humor. She didn't pass the test tonight.
She terribly exaggerated her role in Ireland and SCHIP.
She wants to run as the experienced candidate but she has a whole series of distortions in her campaign.

[jenmito]

29. Yup. But I think his names Jonathan Alter.

:hi:

[azmouse]

36. You're correct. Can I consider it a combo name?

Alter + Olbermann = Alterman?

:) LOL

[jenmito]

73. Yes...

I accept that. :)

[Cha]

37. And as Matt Taibbi calls it .."Hillary's Flimsy Case"

on the cover of Rolling Stone that I got in the mail today.

[george_maniakes]

4. what did she exactly say though, is there a link?

I mean , what exactly was the minor blip? where did she misspeak?

[VenusRising]

8. A link to her speech.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/speech/view/?id=6553


March 17, 2008
IRAQ: Hillary's Remarks at The George Washingon University

Good morning. I want to thank Secretary West for his years of service, not only as Secretary of the Army, but also to the Veteran’s Administration, to our men and women in uniform, to our country. I certainly do remember that trip to Bosnia, and as Togo said, there was a saying around the White House that if a place was too small, too poor, or too dangerous, the president couldn't go, so send the First Lady. That’s where we went.

I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.

Rest of the speech at link above.

[george_maniakes]

16. sorry, i mean did hillary say where exactly she was wrong?

what words of hers were wrong, and why? did she mix up another event, or just imagine something not there, or over hear "snipers" from the secret service and thought the worse?

[jenmito]

23. I wrote her full quote below. n/t

[VenusRising]

28. From Talking Points Memo

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/hillary_concedes_she_misspoke.php

[george_maniakes]

41. Im not sure she knows what shes talking about. She knows she said something...

that wasnt true, but she doesnt seem to know what she said that wasnt correct. I mean, from those TPM comments, it seems like shes saying she was supposed to get off the tarmac ASAP because of danger but a little girl was there so she had to stop. So what is her daughter and the little girl doing there in there first place if its so dangerous? It just seems like shes trying to square things without actually going back to find out what she actually did that day.

[Yael]

10. She claimed that she (and Chelsea, Sinbad and Cheryl Crow) were under sniper

attack and had to "duck and run for their cars".

Sinbad's recount (and the all important video of the landing) show a greeting ceremony complete with a token 8-year old reading a poem.

She is running a campaign like it is 1992 and the interwebs haven't been invented yet where vetting is instantaneous.

[jenmito]

19. I'm pausing the tv to copy her whole statement, so here it is:

"What I was told was that we had tro land a certain way and move quickly because of the threat of sniper fire. So I misspoke-I didn't say that in my book or other times but if I said something that made it seem as though there was actual fire-that's not what I was told. I was told we had to land a certain way, we had to have our bulletproof stuff on because of the threat of sniper fire. I was also told that the greeting ceremony had been moved away from the tarmac but that there was this 8-year-old girl and, I can't, I can't rush by her, I've got to at least greet her-so I made a-I took her stuff and then I left. Now that's my memory of it...I went to 80 countries, you know. I gave contemporaneous accounts, I wrote about a lot of this in my book. You know, I think that, a minor blip, you know, if I said something that, you know, I say a lot of things-millions of words a day-so if I misspoke, that was just a misstatement."

Philadelphia Daily News

[nomorewhopper]

5. NYTimes.com: "Clinton Misspoke about Bosnia Trip, Campaign Says" (Front Page)

i guess they can't say that she lied....

but...

SHE LIED


http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/24/clinton-misspoke-about-bosnia-trip-campaign-says/

March 24, 2008, 1:42 pm
Clinton ‘Misspoke’ About Bosnia Trip, Campaign Says

By Katharine Q. Seelye

The Clinton campaign says Senator Hillary Clinton may have “misspoke” recently when she said she had to evade sniper fire when she was visiting Bosnia in 1996 as first lady.
Clinton 'Misspoke' About Bosnia Trip, Campaign Says Hillary Rodham Clinton and Chelsea Clinton greeted U.S. soldiers as they arrived at Tuzla military airport, Bosnia, March 25, 1996. (Photo: Sasa Kralj/Associated Press)

She has been using the episode as an example of her foreign policy bona fides.

“I certainly do remember that trip to Bosnia,” she said last week. “There was a saying around the White House that if a place was too small, too poor, or too dangerous, the president couldn’t go, so send the First Lady.

“I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.”

But her account has been challenged, first by Sinbad, the comedian, who traveled with her, and then by news organizations, most notably the Washington Post, which awarded her four “Pinnochios” which it gives for major “whoppers.”

A number of videos have been posted to YouTube juxtaposing a CBS news report with Mrs. Clinton’s statements last week:

And here is another report from that trip:

Asked today to square her recent descriptions with these accounts, Howard Wolfson, her spokesman, referred to several contemporaneous news accounts that described the region as hostile. He then added: “It is possible in the most recent instance in which she discussed this that she misspoke in regard to the exit from the plane, but there is no question if you look at contemporaneous accounts that she was going to a potential combat zone, that she was on the front lines.”

Asked at a later point in the call to clarify his comment, Mr. Wolfson said that news accounts at the time made clear that the area in which she was landing was “a potential combat zone and was hazardous.”

He said that in her memoir, “Living History,” she wrote about sniper fire in the hills and “clearly meant to say that” when she brought it up last week. He said she had described the event many times the same way and that “in one instance she said it slightly differently.”

A third reporter then asked about it, prompting Mr. Howard to read the relevant passage from her book, in which she wrote: “Due to reports of snipers in the hills around the airstrip, we were forced to cut short an event on the tarmac with local children.” He repeated that this was the one time in which she misspoke.

But this formulation was at least the second time in recent weeks that she described the sniper fire. She mentioned it on Feb. 29 in Waco, Tex., when she was rolling out her “red phone” commercial, recalling the trip to Bosnia and saying that the welcoming ceremony “had to be moved inside because of sniper fire.”

Update | 5:45 p.m. : Helene Cooper, The Times’s diplomatic correspondent, reports the following:

I spoke with William Nash, who was the commander of U.S. troops in Bosnia and was at the Tuzla airport with Hillary Clinton. He said there was no threat of sniper fire at the airport during her visit. He said that Mrs. Clinton was gracious during her visit and took pictures with the soldiers, but “she never had her head down. There was no sniper threat that I know of.”

[TwilightGardener]

20. The commander, Nash, would never have allowed sniper fire--

if he was the military commander responsible for receiving the First Lady and Chelsea, then it was his job to ensure her safety. He did his job--she was in no danger, and it's an insult to him for Hillary to pretend like she was. The military prides itself on the security of these VIP trips.

[Rubiconski2009]

62. Perhaps she doesn’t know what sniper fire is

Which would help explain her vote for the Iraq War. :nuke:

[Thothmes]

71. Probably Correct, she has absolutly no military experience.

[VenusRising]

6. You don't "mis-speak" in a PREPARED speech.

I would give her the benefit of the doubt if she were speaking extemporaneously, but it was a prepared speech about Iraq.


Sorry. Not buying the "misspoken" or "a minor blip" explanation.

[TwilightGardener]

22. Indeed. Good point.

[VenusRising]

34. This is the major sticking point, IMO.

And the only reason I came to this so quickly is because when I watched her speech, I was annoyed that she was reading the speech from the paper instead of really looking at her audience.

[TwilightGardener]

42. It was a deliberately-prepared lie. There is no getting around it.

[jenmito]

45. Exactly. EVERYONE uses that word. She LIED. n/t

[earthlover]

66. Good Point! This was not just BS...it was Premeditated BS....

Tired. Of. Liars. Posing. As. Presidents.

[OhioChick]

9. "Misspoke?"

Doesn't that mean "LIE?"

[Medusa]

12. Not in Hillary Land.

misspoke = lie in the real world though. :nods:

[Yael]

14. Why yes.

Yes it does.

[roguevalley]

79. misspoke is a weasel word for lie, like obfuscation. its a cowardly

word designed to hide the heat of something bad

[sam sarrha]

11. Jesus land can make you giddy.. lots of people hallucinate there,, David Koresh for instance

[XemaSab]

13. So what's the difference between W and Hillary again?

:shrug:

[Hepburn]

86. One is male and one is female....

....other than that...no difference!

[ecstatic]

17. And they let her get away with that? Wow!

They better be glad that I'm not a part of the press corps.

[powergirl]

21. Why can't she just say, I screwed up, I was wrong to say that

She NEVER does and it drives me crazy.

[jenmito]

51. I agree. That's a weakness. n/t

[DearAbby]

24. She fabricated the entire event

OF COURSE IT WAS A LIE...they had it in a prepared speech, this fabricated story. How can you call this a "Oops" moment?

It's a fecking lie. She is digging herself into a hole, by not owning up to it. But of course to do that...she would have to own up to the fact she stands no chance of winning the nomination, the very reason she embellished the story.

[Cha]

25. If campaign disaster hilary calls it a "minor blip" then

you can be sure it is a major lie. hilary never admits anything so it's tellin' that they think this has legs.

[elocs]

27. This is exactly what feeds the flames here and keeps things going on and on.

That Clinton misspoke or lied or whatever does not suddenly make Obama righteous and noble. Tearing her down does not make him taller. Every time an accusation is made and addressed there is this blatant one-upsmanship to make a new personal attack and up the ante. If Clinton screwed up I am sure the media will cover it and there is certainly no need for Obama supporters to come on with the na-na, na-na, na, na finger pointing. How about at least appearing to be a little presidential and stand above the fray? Certainly address any accusations, but what exactly is the point of raising new personal attacks? All we seem to get is "Obama is so bad because...", "Well, if you think Obama is bad, then Hillary is worse because..." It's like watching a bunch of second graders who do not even have the charm of being cute kids.

Oh yeah, I'm an Obama supporter. I believe in attacking Republicans, not other Democrats. Save it, we'll need it.

[Cha]

39. You save it for your soapbox...

hilary's caught in another lie and shame on us..we're not going to roll over for you.

[jenmito]

40. Sorry you feel that way, but I disagree...

I never said it suddenly makes Obama righteous and noble. But I think her lies need to be pointed out. She brags about all her experience making her prepared to be "ready on day one."

[TwilightGardener]

47. You're kidding, right? You don't think this means anything? You think

honesty isn't important? You think the willingness to fabricate a story in order to achieve a political goal is just peachy? Didn't BushCo fabricate a story that got 4000 soldiers and countless Iraqis killed, and gave us 5 years of war? That was just a "misspeak", too, huh? The willingness to lie and make up stories for self-serving reasons is a real problem, when you are interviewing for a position of public trust. Sorry, this is big.

[roguevalley]

80. you were the one that brought Obama into this. By the way, the

level of discourse on this board is at least fifth grade.

RV, who taught that grade for ten years and knows whereof she speaks

[Rosa Luxemburg]

32. didn't she exaggerate more than once?

[Alexander]

35. Still waiting for Hillary supporters to defend her blatant LYING.

So far the only ones willing to reply can come up with is "But Obama lies too! Look at Rezko!" nonsense.

[maddiejoan]

65. I have defended it

several times, It helps if you take people off ignore though.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5240993&mesg_id=5241132

[Alexander]

69. I don't have you on ignore, but you haven't done a good job playing defense.

She lied, and you can't spin that away.

Your own candidate admitted she goofed when saying that. So who am I going to believe? You or Hillary Clinton, who admitted she made the whole thing up?

:eyes:

[maddiejoan]

72. she admitted she misspoke.

ie --conflated two different occasions. I don't see the story here --other than another bucket of slime from the Obama Campaign.

[Alexander]

83. Yes. She lied. "The Youtube" is a valuable Internet tool. Use it sometime.

"ie --conflated two different occasions.

1. She did not claim that was the case.

2. Bill Clinton visited the same airport 2 months earlier and it was perfectly safe then.

"I don't see the story here --other than another bucket of slime from the Obama Campaign."

That's because you're wearing one of these:



Remove it and you'll feel better. I promise.

[maddiejoan]

85. I see quite clearly.

Thanks.

[jenmito]

84. You should've told HER to say she just conflated different trips. But she didn't...

she said she "misspoke" which means she lied (without using the words).

[City Lights]

38. So she's saying it was a misstatement to say she misspoke?

:crazy: :rofl:

Just admit it, Hill. You LIED!

[4themind]

43. Really hillary...really

"I was also told that the greeting ceremony had been moved away from the tarmac but that there was this 8-year-old girl and, I can't, I can't rush by her"
So even though you were told the greeting ceremony was MOVED you just COULDN't find it in your heart to abandon a little girl who just HAPPENDED to be standing there, is that right?...along with, dozens-of-soldires-reporters-the-acting-head-of-the-region.?! Even IF you were TOLD that there wasn't going to be a "greeting ceremony" what's your (and the organizers of the gatherings) interpretation of what happened AFTER you arrived? I normally don't like words like SHILLary but that's what this could easily be seen as, shilling.

[ProSense]

44. Even that's a lie

She wrote up the account differently in her book

So this wasn't a lapse in memory since 1996. Also, she wrote the sniper fire into a speech, repeated it three times, and challenged Sinbad and WaPo account.

[thewiseguy]

46. Yes she misremembered the trip.

[MethuenProgressive]

48. So she never endorsed a supporter who said "God DAMN America! It's in the BIBLE!"?

whew.. cuz, like, if that happened, it'd be HUGE!

[thewiseguy]

49. wow you have no clue!

[jenmito]

54. Since you insist on changing the subject, why don't you watch more than that tiny clip:

and then get back to me- http://digg.com/lbv.php?id=5784789&ord=1

[RBInMaine]

63. The views were CONDEMNED, and by the way, Wright was quoting someone else.

Look at the whole clip. Wright was quoting someone else. Get your facts rather than just echoing Rush and Hannity.

[TwilightGardener]

67. Eh, don't bother. They've got to keep using their keywords, they're not

actually trying to make a valid point--just distracting and baiting you.

[Hepburn]

88. Please remove you head from the sand, OK? n/t

[Rubiconski2009]

50. Make up some more experience, Hillary.

Tell us how you wrassled the Martians into submission in Roswell, NM. Or how you swam to Cuba to poison Castro, but that backfired. Or how about that time you got into hand to hand combat with Gorbachev but he got you in a half nelson and you were only able to get out of it by karate chopping him on his birth mark.

That was a good one.

[mzmolly]

52. She just went from teetering on the edge to falling off a cliff?

I think this is IT for her and I'm sorry to say it. :(

[pompano]

74. She didn't misspeak....

...she misjudged. She misjudged the intelligence of the ones she expects to vote for her.

I never have thought it was the lie that chapped everyones rear-end so bad, but actually her thinking people were stupid enough to believe it.

This saga is going to be like a big pile of dried poop. The more she stirs in it the worse it will stink.

Might help her cause if she talked UP to people once in a while and respected the intelligence of her lemmings.

[TwilightGardener]

55. "I say a lot of things--millions of words a day". Just words. And you can disregard

most of them, apparently.

[jenmito]

58. That jumped out at me, too.

:hi:

[DerekJ]

56. kick

[RBInMaine]

60. Two words sum it up: SLICK HILLY

[TheDonkey]

68. good one!

[elixir]

61. This is pretty earth shattering here. It's right up there with the US of KKKA...

[tabasco]

64. How nice of her to confirm what video/photo evidence already showed us.

This is the kind of stuff that's going to get Hillary bumped out of the Senate.

[Blue-Jay]

70. .

[jenmito]

81. Well then...

I guess she WAS right! :D

[Rubiconski2009]

75. MILLIONS of words a day?

MILLIONS of words a day? I'm sorry, but that is the most ridiculous thing I have heard coming out of a campaign in quite some time, and I include all of Mark Penn's statements in there. I say millions of words a day so not all of them can be right??? But, it's okay, MOST of them are?

I'm sorry, but words matter.

Say you misremembered. Say you lost the hard drive. But, "millions of words a day?" What kind of an excuse is that?

:crazy:

[Hepburn]

76. Heya, Jen....

....hiya, kiddo...:hi:

Hillary "mis-spoke?" IMO, she needs to admit that she LIED. Mis-spoke is like making an inadvertent mistake. She fucking INTENTIONALLY LIED. The spin she is now mouthing is nothing more than bullshit from a LIAR who has been caught in another LIE.

A K&R for your thread, Jen!

JMHO

[jenmito]

78. Hey, Hepburn!

:hi: I agree! She didn't use the wrong word. She made up a whole story! I wish this would get a lot of coverage. Let's see what they do with this.

Thanks!

[TheDonkey]

82. HILLARY'S RESPONSE to Snipergate ==== "SO?"

So what? She says millions of words a day. A lie here, a lie there is ok.

[clevbot]

87. exactly how i felt