I refuse to outright Ignore Clinton Supporters

[berni_mccoy]

Yes, I have a handful on my list. But they deserve it. The remainder I will listen to, or at least give them their fair opportunity to speak and be heard by me. I realize there is a massive ignore list going around that puts most of the Clinton supporters on it. I also realize that not all Clinton supporters are on it. Regardless of the details of the list, I think it is arrogant and I will not participate.

I will not simply blanket ignore Clinton supporters. Even though I don't agree with what they say much of the time, I believe I must hear it. It keeps me open-minded and honest. I will still, sometimes angrily, debate with them. They are wrong most of the time and it hurts them to let them know this, but I still inform them they are wrong because I care :P.

But really, I've lost an argument here and there to one or another. Some of them are very very good with the facts. We want these people on our side when it comes to the general election. And although there is a very small chance, it is still a possibility that Clinton may end up with the nomination. What then? Do we continue ignoring those people then? Those who choose now to ignore them en masse are going to be swallowing a very large serving of humble pie for the general election if that small possibility becomes reality.

Let us not waste this ultimately important opportunity for discourse. It is necessary. There are some people on the other side of a debate whom you will never convince. There are others, like myself, who listen and who are not afraid of the truth. If we turn a blind eye to them and ignore everything, then we clearly are ignoring some truths. I will not do this.

And as a footnote, has anyone who is considering using this list thought, just for a second, that Skinner or one of the founders of DU might very well be a Clinton supporter? They show an amazing amount of grace and responsibility given the discussions that go on here. I'm truly amazed at their ability to stay neutral.

I might very well be pissing everyone off with this post, but it's a little dose of truth I feel that needs saying, specifically from an Obama supporter.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. I agree.

My Dungeon of Ignorage contains only the most incendiary and irrational representatives of both camps. I'm interested in honest, non-insulting opinions even if I don't agree with them, but if you start finging poo, then away with you!

[TwilightGardener]

2. I don't ignore true supporters. Just assholes. Next the assholes are going

to start getting paranoid and whining about being ignored--then it will be un-PC to ignore assholes, and next it will be the dickheads, and pretty soon Skinner will just take the feature away all together.

[CitizenLeft]

22. there are no reasonable people on my ignore list...

...and I suspect a number of Obama people are on there, too, btw.

I'll remove them all once we have a nominee. I won't survive this if I do it any sooner, LOL.

Oh, and, my list is my own; I don't PM with anyone else and nobody gave me any names, didn't have to. I suspect the same people are on different lists because those people are genuinely unreasonable - if 25 people have put the same person on ignore, there's a reason for it.

[TwilightGardener]

24. I've never had anybody ever recommend ignoring anybody else.

I wouldn't listen even if they did. It's a personal matter.

[K Gardner]

34. Its all just another strategy, WD.. here's my theory..

This strategy was developed by Mark Penn and Karl Rove himself in response to the wailing and whining of the paid internet bloggers from sites such as HIS44 and HillaryHub. When it appeared as if the Progressives at DU were going to stop responding to their flamebait Talking Points, thereby rendering all threads to the back burner, Rove and Penn developed the "I am victim of IGNORE strategy", based on the New Hampshire Diner theme. Now, instead of focusing on issues and a return to civility of DU, the boards is innundated with threads about "IGNORE". Brilliant, really.

They will send in temporary replacements for the "striker/victims" of this fake DU plot.. still managing to infiltrate the boards while maintaining an air of Victim.

Just like Hillary. Do Anything. Lie. Cheat. Anything to win.

(kidding about the Penn/Rove thing, but not really kidding about the rest of it.. they're STILL disrupting the board)

[TwilightGardener]

35. Yep--I can see your point. I noticed the "ignore list" threads starting up

yesterday, and thought, who the hell cares who's being ignored? Now I see that it's just an aggrieved-victim strategy to convince people that it's wrong to let the fish-poop sink to the bottom.

[IndependentDem]

3. i agree...

ignoring people based on who they support is prejudice in my book-- however, ignoring people because they are ignorant assholes just trying to stir shit is just fine. isn't the purpose of a discussion board to discuss issues with people who may have different points of view?

[C_U_L8R]

4. Zero ignores here.

i want to hear it all... the good bad and ugly.
Though I've been severely tempted a few times
to hit that button to flush some lout away, I do
believe that ignore can only lead to ignorance.
Undo those ignores : - ))))

[PresidentObama]

6. Zero ignores here as well ;)

[C_U_L8R]

9. alright !! spread the love !!

or at least the open-mindedness : - )))
We're all on the same side... eventually

[PresidentObama]

5. Some of them throw you under the bus once you don't agree with them--I learned that the hard way.

Others, like rodeodance for example, are good people and shouldn't be ignored.

[JimGinPA]

That Person Has Become The Worst Spammer On This Board...

He/she REC's & kicks trash posts multiple times to keep them at the top for days on end. I've yet to see one actual contribution here from that troll-lite.

[PresidentObama]

12. Pretty much. You should have read the PM they sent me too.

Basically the poster admitted to stalking me based off an argument we had a year and a half ago is to blame for this operation-call-him-a-mole situation.

The basic text of it was that they didn't forget, and now it's time to the revenge.

How sad, really.

[madrchsod]

20. rodeodance and i have had a few kind words!

i just disagree with her...who knows i may run into in madison someday...

[JohnnyLib2]

7. "We want these people on our side when it comes to the general election. "

Thank you for the OP and particularly that sentence.

--from a current Clinton, potential Obama, supporter and definite D vote in the general election. :thumbsup:

[ileus]

8. 50 states in 2008...only Hillary can bring US together.

[berni_mccoy]

10. Only part I disagree with you on is the "only" part. And Dean deserves vast credit for his 50-state

strategy. It was Dean's idea and he made it a reality. Obama has leveraged the concept quite deftly. His grass-roots effort took Dean's idea to the next level. They spanked Clinton with it by winning 14 contests in a row.

[Bonobo]

11. What a silly Straw Man. No one said ignore them. Just ignore Flamebait.

GDP is no longer adequately moderated for removing flamebait because there was simply no way to get rid of it all.

So the Mods stopped cleaning the poop off the walk.

"LET IT SINK" is about cleaning off the poop. That's all.

Do not make it seem like it is anything more than that.

Do we need to listen to McLurkin crap, or Wright crap every fucking day? Is it our duty to keep poop like that kicked?

I think not.

Obama WILL BE the Democratic Nominee. All the people doing McCain's work for him are making me increasingly angry. They are a bunch of single-issue, egomaniacal, drama-queens and I have had it up to here with them.

[berni_mccoy]

15. Well, I saw a partial list... and some very good DUers were on it.

I have a feeling it wasn't the only list circulating, but I can't say for certain. I just think it's one thing to debate and argue, another to flame. I agree with letting flamebait sink... I get caught by many misleading headlines and end up reading it. Sometimes I can't resist turning up fire, many times I do. But I won't follow any prescribed ignore list.

[tammywammy]

13. Zero ignores for me

:)


But at the same time, I do understand why some people may feel the need to put a few people on ignore. Especially is someone is stalking you from thread to thread.

[whatchamacallit]

14. I think ignore is lame

If I'm bugged by what people are posting in here, I know it's time to bail for a few days. I come back refreshed and ready to roll in the shit.

[Crunchy Frog]

16. I only have a handful of people on ignore

and most of them are fellow Obama supporters that I consider too obnoxious.

I put the really obnoxious Hillary supporters in my buddy list, so that I'll know when the get tombstoned. :evilgrin:

[berni_mccoy]

17. lol!

[madrchsod]

18. i ignore assholes and bigots

well that`s my opinion of them. i`ll "listen" to anyone who is reasonable even though i have a strong aversion to their post/position. when this is over i think there will be a lot of people leaving

[donheld]

19. That's your right, but it's my right to use mine

if I so desire.

[baldguy]

21. I poke them with a stick first, then I put them on ignore.

:evilgrin:

[zulchzulu]

23. I de-ignored my list

It was nice, but what the hell...I always like a good laugh.

[cooolandrew]

25. That speaks well for you. We are all different though and I thrive on positivity myself..

[LTR]

26. I put only the notorious trolls on ignore

Though there's a few that are so ridiculous, I just have to see what happens next.

Then, they go into the attacks and vicious profanity, and I zap 'em.

I have no qualms about maintaining an ignore list. If I don't want to read blatant trolling, that's my prerogative. I don't see it as sticking my head in the sand. There are quite a few people I disagree with that I won't put on ignore.

if anyone's really curious to see my ignore list, I posted it here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5240996

I'm surprised the mods haven't locked it yet. Though, if I were to get TS'ed for posting it, it's been nice knowing y'all. See you all down the road.

[Beacool]

27. I have no one on the ignore list.

Ignoring people's opinions is asinine and counterproductive. The more the Obama supporters tick off the Hillary supporters, the least likely we are to vote for him if he becomes the nominee.

[stevenleser]

28. Ignore is your friend. Ignore is a beautiful thing...

the reality is, Barack Obama has been the nominee since February 6th. I allowed for supporters of other candidates a few weeks post that date to come to terms with the situation, or to wait and see if the 11 in a row would actually start to come true, but nothing has changed at all to even put a slight question mark in all of that. There should have been no doubt in anyone's mind by the time March 1 came around that Barack was the nominee. I think once we have a presumptive nominee, people should stop tearing that person down and in that sense, I 100% agree with Skinner's policy as he has clearly stated in that regard although I disagree as to what constitutes having a presumptive nominee.

Once Obama became to my satisfaction the presumptive nominee, everyone working to tear him down no matter their stated purpose became someone helping the Republicans and someone to be ignored. Everything that has come against Obama in the last few weeks should have been faced as a united Democratic party behind our nominee. The fact that it wasnt and that we had Hillary supporters piling on regarding the Wright guilt by association stupidity may come back to haunt us all in a few months and not just regarding the top of the ticket.

[Auntie Bush]

31. You are the most arrogant person I know.

"Once Obama became to my satisfaction the presumptive nominee, everyone working to tear him down no matter their stated purpose became someone helping the Republicans"

Who the hell are you to decide who is the presumptive nominee is? In case you haven't noticed there is a primary going on as we speak. There is no presumptive nominee until someone drops out. Hillary is a fighter and she isn't going to be pushed out by you or anyone else.

That's the kind of tenacity she'll use to fight for Democratic issues. How hard is Obama going to fight when he'll be afraid he'll lose the next election if he loses his new Rethug and Indie supporters which help make up his base. He'll be in the same situation as the Rethugs who have to kiss ass to the Religious right?

[stevenleser]

32. You say I'm arrogant and yet you are saying I cannot decide things for myself?

I have every right to take stock of a situation and declare it decided as far as I am concerned. In fact, it is. Whether or not you can accept it is another matter. However, calling me arrogant for having an opinion like that in the first place? Well, that is far more arrogant than that of which you accuse me.

I am just curious, do you ask everyone to run their opinions by you to be approved first or is this a new thing with me and/or Obama supporters?

On Edit:
And no, I am not going to engage you in "who is better Obama or Hillary" because as you know is my opinion, this race is already over. I'm not going to engage you in a discussion over who is going to win the last Superbowl or World Series either. The only thing attacking Obama does at this point is to put an additional arrow in the McCain quiver. If that is your thing, or the thing of any other Hillary supporter, well, it speaks volumes about who is saying it.

[Auntie Bush]

29. Bernie!

First time I've ever agreed with you.

I personally think Skinner is making a mistake by having that ignore button for people to use against one another. Hillary Supporters donate and help support this place and I don't think we should be ignored. I'll personally not be donating in the next quarter if something doesn't get changed...and fast.

What kind of site would this be if all the Clinton supporters had all the obama supporters on ignore and visa versa? Many Clinton supporters have already been driven away or driven to so much anger and hostility toward Obamites that they have been tombstones. It's a pretty sick world when dems can't tolerate to talk to other dems. It makes me sick to think we could have won this election hands down...but Noooooo. We have to have this stinking primary and we've probably lost the GE.

[stevenleser]

30. See my #28 for my response to you... (n/t)

[quakerboy]

33. I only recently started an ignore list

I reserve it for the purely offensive. There are times I vehemently disagree with people, when the frustrate and annoy me by not submitting to reality as I perceive it. I am tempted to ignore them, but I take a step back and read their post. Craziness, disagreement, even outright lies are not reason for an ignore, to me. I want to know what is being said. But I have no use for those who are merely here to insult people and be as offensive as possible.

[jgraz]

36. My ignore list was very short before Obama's speech

But when people came on this board while he was still giving the speech to post about what a "fraud" he was and how he was "going down" because of his loyalty to someone he's known for 20 years, that was it.

Some people are simply beyond help and beneath contempt. Why should we be assaulted with stupidity while we're trying to have an adult discussion?

[Raine]

37. Same here

I have a very few on my list but one of them even told me to put them on ignore. The others were just so insulting and obnoxious that I just didn't want to get into it with them anymore. I'm not going to blanketly ignore anyone. What's the point of not hearing the opposite point of view, you can't learn from that.