Why Obama cannot win in November.

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He hasn't been vetted, for one. If the Dem party is too shy to look behind the media blitz that is the shiny, spinning O, you can bet your bottom dollar the repukes are not.


He can't win without FL and MI, he's not going to carry TX anymore than he'll carry Utah. Meanwhile, with his blessing, the party is telling DEMOCRATIC voters in FL and MI that their voices, their votes, dont' count for shit. Think they'll forget that and come out in huge numbers to support the party that told them to fuck off a few months earlier?

Rezko. How many times has Obama "clarified" his relationship with this slum lord?

Repukes will run on what has "won" for them the last two cycles - national security and patriotism. What did they do to Cleland and Kerry with little more than twisted ads? What can they do with Rev. Wright - Obama's spiritual mentor for twenty years, screaming "God Damn America," Michelle saying she'd never been proud of her country before Obama ran, and the vid/pic of Obama not placing his hand on his heart for the national anthem when all those around him did?

If you want to dismiss that last reason racist, then you must be living in a fairy tale. They will use it, it will be effective, and it will cost us the election, should he be the nom. It's not racist (like Rev Wright slamming Hillary for being white, or the Obama crowd twisting Bill's "fairy tale" comment into something racist) to see the political reality of the situation, and point it out.

[anonymous171]

1. Patriotism is sooo 2004.

BTW the rezko thing is dead. You can shut-up about it now.

[Taxmyth]

21. Why did Obama lie about the amounts received from Rezko?

If the Rezko thing is really "dead" then why does Senator Obama have to lie about the amounts he received from him? Maybe if Senator Obama releases ALL his tax returns as well as his papers from his stint as a State Senator we would have a better idea. Say, when is Senator Obama releasing all those tax returns and releasing those papers?

[tabatha]

29. He did not lie - he did not know the full amount

because they were not direct donations.
Some research had to be done.

[Taxmyth]

34. Research, eh?

In 2006 Senator Obama told reporters that his "best estimate" was that Rezko raised "between $50,000 and $60,000", in 2007 that figure was determined to be 3X that amount or close to $168,000. And 2 weeks ago he disclosed it was closer to $250,000. Only a $200,000 difference from what he took from a reknowned fixer in Chicago political circles. Sorry, my bullshit detector is going off.

[Drachasor]

31. He didn't

Look it up.

Here's a thought experiment for you though: If he had lied about it, then it would surely be in the news quite a bit, just like the Bosnia thing was. Especially given that he talked to the Tribune the same day he addressed the Wright issue. Last week pundits and others would have been talking about both issues. When in fact, there was further talk about Rezko only with the Tribune, and his story matched up with what he had said before.

[Taxmyth]

37. He lied, the information is out there

Why it's not being picked up and pounced on is a matter of speculation but we're no where near Convention time so we will know more by then and there are people digging into this as well as the current court trial for Mr. Rezko. The Bosnia thing is actually a very good indicator of just how popular Senator Clinton is........there was nothing of any consequence to the story about First Lady travelling to a war zone as a civilian to provide a morale boost to the troops stationed there, a courageous act in and of itself. Were there snipers? Was she warned about snipers from the pilots, had she been warned about snipers in a pre-flight briefing? Does it make a difference? No. The First Lady of the United States travelled voluntarily to a war zone to show her support, and the support of all Americans, to the troops stationed there. That's the only part of the story that matters and it's true.

[Better Believe It]

2. Because Hillary Is Helping Her Friend McCain Defeat Obama

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5234615

[johnnydrama]

3. the problem is

Hillary has been vetted a lot before 2000, and been found lacking by 55% of the people.

She hasn't been vetted at all since 2000, and that's why she won't release her tax returns and earmarks.

[scheming daemons]

4. Here's come the spam posts with the same subject heading.....

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7. Please link me to the others. I was not aware of that. Back up what you say, ok?

[scheming daemons]

22. Here's a couple on the top page alone...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5231402&mesg_id=5231402

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5226997&mesg_id=5226997

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25. Well, this thread is no more spam (or coordinated spam, assuming that's what you meant) than yours:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5242261

Probably a lot less so.

[babylonsister]

5. Blah, blah, blah. Heard it ALL before. But thanks for your concern. nt

[mckeown1128]

6. It's amazing anyone has ever made it into the white house...

with out being a divisive hated public figure with volumes of faux scandal books written about them.. like Hillary.

[Hawkeye-X]

8. Rezko AGAIN?

Do yourself a favor, and Google "Individual H".

Also, Obama was already vetted of the Rezko affair already, TWO WEEKS AGO.

[TheCowsCameHome]

9. "I, John McCain, do solemny swear to uphold......................."

[Yes We Did]

10. Seems like he's been pretty vetted to me... Hillary on the other hand...

Where are those tax records?

[thewiseguy]

18. The "vetted" logic is a silly excuse for swiftboating Obama

[Taxmyth]

23. Where are Senator Obama's tax records?

Surely he must have released all of his records seeing as how you are so interested in Senator Clinton's. He did release them all, didn't he? If not then he'd better have them ready for publication and review for the voters before the convention.

[tabatha]

32. They have been released. n/t

[Drachasor]

33. He released most of them to Newspapers, from what I understand. Clinton hasn't released in since 00

Of course, we can all browse the 2006 records. He's vetted here a heck of a lot more than Hillary is.

[Taxmyth]

38. Same years?

Let's see the good Senator Obama's tax returns for the same periods that Senator Clinton has released hers for. And whole we're at it, he should also release the papers from his stint as State Senator. And if he's "vetted" than why does he keep changing the amounts he got from Rezko?

[baldguy]

11. You know why Hillary can't win in Nov?

She HAS been vetted, and found failing by the majority of Americans.

[Taxmyth]

24. Republican Women will vote for her, even some Men.

They will cross Party lines in droves once that curtain closes in the voting booth. Just which Republicans is Senator Obama drawing across Party lines? Senator McCain is already seen as a moderate in the GOP so there goes that brilliant plan.

[DJ13]

12. So you're really saying that McCain is a tougher opponent than Clinton?

Im just wondering since Obama is beating Clinton, but you seem to be saying McCain will win.

So by your logic we should put the candidate thats losing to Obama up against the obviously stronger than Clinton McCain and expect her to win?



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[thevoiceofreason]

13. Can't win when you are going to kick ass!

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14. LETS ALL HAVE SEX

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16. hey, there's a thought

mmmm - I'll say no more at this point...

[TheCowsCameHome]

17. ok, I'll start

fuck you.:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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26. done and done.

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[wileedog]

15. She just got caught in a lie today

How can you remotely call her 'vetted'?

I don't think the vetting has even really started for her.

[Taxmyth]

27. Bosnian trip for US Deployed forces morale?

Could that possibly be the "lie" you're talking about? Pretty pathetic if the best anyone can come up with is her not remembering exactly the details of a trip she took while a civilian to comfort our US Forces in a war zone. The fact is, she went to Bosnia as a morale builder for troops stationed in a war zone. Why does Senator Obama have to lie about the amounts of money he took from Rezko?

[wileedog]

50. Not the point

OP said she has been vetted. She clearly has not if lies like these are still out there.

Her tax returns are not out.
Her earmarks are not out.

She really hasn;t been seriously questioned about anything since the 90's. What, did time stop for her since then? WHat about the exponential boom in Clinton family income the last several years?

Saying she has been vetted is absurd. Her husband has. In the 1990's. They haven't even really started on HER yet at all.

[MercutioATC]

19. Obama just needs some "sniper fire" to convince people of his "experience"...

...and it's easy...he can just make it up.

[Andy823]

20. Yes, it's pretty obvious

That Hillary is the better candidate. I mean she is so "honest", and "brave", and has so much "experience" as a politician. And that "terrible" time she had in Bosnia dodging bullets from those snipers, and running for cover in the middle of a war zone, sure proves it for me! :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[Taxmyth]

30. She went as a civilian

to a war zone to promote the morale of the troops stationed there. The rest of the story really doesn't matter. Why does Senator Obama need to lie about the amounts he took from Rezko? Is it because he's never been a morale booster for the troops?

[guruoo]

28. K&R

[onetinsoldier]

35. florida,texas,the entire old confederacy,ohio,arizona and most likely pennsylvania

states that obama has very,very little chance of winning thanks to those tapes of preacher wright

[pinkpops]

36. One thing that would keep him from winning is if you stay home or

go vote for McCain. It is unlikely at this point that anyone on this forum will change their mind one way or another about the primary.

[Auntie Bush]

39. Maybe democrats can forget Wright...I do...but the

racist, Indies and Rethugs will not forget. That has me worried because Obama will most likely be our candidate. I'm scared shit that we are not going to win this election and we'll end up with 3 more conservative Supreme Court Judges. with all the Hillary hate on the internet and the MSM I'm not so sure Hillary can win either. We Dems cooked our own goose.

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41. I don't know what's supposed to be going on in that pic, but it seems pretty fucking offensive.

[angie_love]

42. Actually this thread is fucking offensive. I can't believe any self respecting democrat

are happily wishing for Obama to lose. Its sick. Mods can you please lock this divisive thread? Thanks.

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44. Excuse me? Discussion of political strategy is divisive. In GD:Politics? WTF?

You don't like my views, that's one thing, but to try to silence me because my views don't adhere to yours? WTF? I mean really, WTF???

[angie_love]

45. And if I created a thread that said "Why Hillary can't win in November" that'd be totally cool?

Yeah fucking right. Don't lie.

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46. Do you know where you are? Yes. You want to create that thread, create it.

Who the hell am I to stop you.

This is a political discussion board, not an Obama church.

Do as you will, but don't try to stop me from speaking my mind when I'm not breaking any rules.

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43. Speaking in tongues

Which is what a lot of people in GDP and other web sites seem to be doing lately.

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47. One question, I hope you don't mind. Why keep your profile hidden?

Why do that?

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49. Why do you ask?

Only a stalker would ask such a question.

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51. I've replied to one of your posts and I'm a "stalker" - ?

That makes no sense.

I ask because I am curious.

Most posters have their profiles public. No reason that I can see not to. Hence the question.

Will you answer it?

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52. Because I can

There's your answer.

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54. Well welcome to DU.

Enjoy your stay.

:D

[dkf]

48. Hey at least he isn't lying about being under enemy fire!

How embarrassing.

My best buddy is incredulous at how she thinks no one will figure out she really didn't get shot at.

[Mooney]

53. Perseveration perseveration perseveration perseveration perseveration

[nyccitizen]

55. Why Bill Clinton cannot win in November ('92)

The Republicans aren't going to let this Gennifer Flowers thing go away. Polls show that he is running a distant third to George Bush and Ross Perot. There is no way that charismatic speeches about hope and change alone are going to help him win the November election against the Republican attack machine. His campaign is crumbling.

He needs to step aside for the good of the party and let Paul Tsongas be the party's nominee.

[culacano]

56. Great post

I hope Obama wins, but I am pessimistic. He's not looking good against McCain in hypothetical matchups. I hope this changes.