The Democratic Party is more important than Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton

[derby378]

Her recent gaffe over Bosnia proves that she's desperate. And Evan Bayh's call for superdelegates to vote along Electoral College lines shows that the DLC is just as desperate. The "Establishment" is being threatened.

Clinton's supporters have fought hard and long for their candidate. But now is the time for unity to dawn on the Democratic Party again. John McCain is on cruise control while both Obama and Clinton are kicking on the afterburners. This is a recipe for disaster in November.

If we lose, and if McCain takes the White House, the penalty will be severe. An unprovoked war with Iran, one that involves nukes. Another Great Depression that chokes the life out of American families and communities. Medical science will continue to be stifled by religious dogma. China and other creditors move in to settle their accounts - people in San Francisco and Seattle would do well to learn to speak Mandarin. The Statue of Liberty will be brought to her knees, figuratively if not literally.

Democratic victory in 2008 is not an option. It is an imperative. Ditch the dead weight and let's get the campaign against McCain underway at long last.

[ourbluenation]

1. I hate the thrashing she's getting through all this. I'm a fan of hers but I just don't see how she

can pull it off at this point.

[derby378]

3. Both candidates have endured their share of beatings

Honestly, I was all in favor of Al Gore jumping in again. But I think Obama has the better vision of the two remaining candidates.

If Hillary wins out in the end, I'll support her candidacy. But my wish list for 2009 and beyond will remain unchanged.

[Double T]

4. Be patient. HRC is going to be kicking some obama butt in the upcoming primaries.

[ourbluenation]

19. Actually I support Obama, but I've always admired Senator Clinton...

although her recent endorsements of McCain have made me frustrated.

[Double T]

20. Endorsing mccain? Please.............

[Double T]

21. Endorsing mccain? Please.............

[TwilightGardener]

2. Agreed. It's time to circle the wagons.

[papau]

5. The Democratic Party may have lost the older women's vote for a generation

[goldcanyonaz]

6. And many younger women too.

[derby378]

13. McCain will never give younger women the opportunity that Obama will

Legally, women and men are now equal. Socially and practically, however, there are still many disparities between the sexes around the nation. McCain cannot be counted on to address wrongs against women in America. Clinton would do it. But so would Obama. Think.

[roguevalley]

9. I'm an older woman and I am sticking. You don't understand. We

older folks can remember when this was a good country. We will be the last dogs hung, when everyone else has huffed off with their giant sized egos because we do remember the Old Republic and will work to get it back. Don't speak for us. we are here. Younger women? If you leave, you are idiots. Get ready for the draft. It will come. Ego or country. that is your choice. I've made mine.

[grassfed]

18. What are Hillary's strengths

that override her pro-war/torture/cluster bombs record? As a seasoned liberal who has seen much, how do you view this record? Meant respectfully, not an attack.


Hillary voted YES on the "Iraq War Resolution: Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq" for an unprovoked illegal war on Iraq.

Hillary voted YES on the Kyle/Lieberman bill clearing the way for Bush to take unprovoked military action against the people of Iran - As she saw him do after she voted for the IWR.

Hillary voted YES on the USA PATRIOT Act to enhance law enforcement investigatory tools, and for other purposes which include the detention of US citizens without trial and prosecution of non-terrorist alleged future crimes such as "eco terrorism" and "animal rights terrorism".

Hillary REFUSED to sign the AFC Anti-Torture Pledge.

Hillary voted YES on Bankruptcy bill S.256 depriving help to debtors.

Hillary voted NO Amendment No. 4882 that would have outlawed the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas. Amendment rejected.

More than 50 international organizations, including the International Committee of the Red Cross, the Mennonite Central Committee, Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International and the International Committee to Ban Landmines have called for a moratorium on cluster bomb use. On December 13, 2001 the European Parliament passed a resolution calling for an immediate global moratorium on their use to be followed by an outright ban.

McCain's votes are identical.

[scheming daemons]

15. Oh, horseshit.

[Catherina]

16. You keep saying this, threatening it but it just ain't so

Young, old, Black, White, Asian, Hispanic, Native American, so many of us support Barack Obama because we're putting humanity over an outdated sisterhood.

My grandmother and mother are both backing Obama. So are all my aunts, even the ones who stuck with Hillary until her destructive temper tantrums pissed them off.

Who are you to speak for older women?

[roguevalley]

23. the assumption that women will vote for a woman just

because she is a woman fries me. The idea that we are a solid monolith and will act in concert is crap. Give me a break. A lot of the sexism people crab about now is nothing like what some of us can relate. Voting for a woman because she is a woman, regardless of her views is bullshit.

[babylonsister]

7. Rec'd. Great post, derby378. Maybe some SDs will start to move

when Obama gets back - I hope. Something's gotta give.

[Xenotime]

8. Ditch the dead weight?

So much for democratice passion

[derby378]

11. McCain has already ditched his...

Sure, he's a dim bulb who can't distinguish al-Qaeda from Ahmadinejab (sp?), but he no longer has to contend against the likes of Huckabee or Romney. He's breathing easy while our two remaining primary candidates are out of breath from swinging at each other.

[crankychatter]

10. Many of these SDs get MIC PAC money just like CLINTON

they'll jeapordize their own campaign chests endorsing Obama

HRC has powerful connections

They really DON'T CARE IF JOHN MCCAIN WINS

seriously... Clinton doesn't give a flying f**k about US

[Stephanie]

14. What is MIC PAC?

I think the SDs would just as soon back a winner, wouldn't they?

[crankychatter]

24. Military Industrial Complex

this is a fight for the future of the Party and has nothing to do with Race or Gender

it's bigger than either candidate

either the Democratic Party reinvents itself by returning to it's true roots

OR

they let Clinton carry it under

either way, this is the issue

we interrupt the evil symbiosis between our elected officials and their campaign contributors

or it's business as usual

[Catherina]

17. And just maybe many of these SDs want a better tomorrow for their children

just like the rest of us.

[crankychatter]

25. sweet voice of reason

you always calm me down, thanks

[Stephanie]

12. You said it.

You left out global warming, which doesn't seem to bother McCain because after all he won't be around in 20 years to suffer from it.

[Beregond2]

22. ...

I don't like this drawn-out primary either, but I really can't see that it will hurt us that much in November. The bottom line is this: Americans can attempt to save this country, or destroy it. Hillary and Barak can fornicate together on the Capitol steps, and it won't change that. If Americans are too stupid to see that another Republican would be the end of us, then this country deserves to die. It is sad that so many good people will go down with it, but that's life.

[cooolandrew]

26. Yes a superdelegate decision is unethical holds too many loyalty clashes both sides solution is 2nd

2nd place cncedes as most honest Democrats have done since idea was instated. Everything else is just a farce, the time to concede was weeks ago. If we are talking biblical reference, HRC should abide to thou shall not bear false witness or covet thy neighbors pet goat.

[Swamp Rat]

27. Time to "Rain on McCain!"

[Kurovski]

28. K&R. (nt)