I Will Not Support Hillary Clinton for President, by Molly Ivins.

[Kurovski]

(Yes, for those who will wish to point it out--Molly Ivins did indeed pass away. And we thank you in advance for your desire to spread the news.)

January 20, 2006

AUSTIN, Texas --- I'd like to make it clear to the people who run the Democratic Party that I will not support Hillary Clinton for president.

Enough. Enough triangulation, calculation and equivocation. Enough clever straddling, enough not offending anyone. This is not a Dick Morris election. Sen. Clinton is apparently incapable of taking a clear stand on the war in Iraq, and that alone is enough to disqualify her. Her failure to speak out on Terri Schiavo, not to mention that gross pandering on flag-burning, are just contemptible little dodges.

The recent death of Gene McCarthy reminded me of a lesson I spent a long, long time unlearning, so now I have to re-learn it. It's about political courage and heroes, and when a country is desperate for leadership. There are times when regular politics will not do, and this is one of those times. There are times a country is so tired of bull that only the truth can provide relief.

If no one in conventional-wisdom politics has the courage to speak up and say what needs to be said, then you go out and find some obscure junior senator from Minnesota with the guts to do it. In 1968, Gene McCarthy was the little boy who said out loud, "Look, the emperor isn't wearing any clothes." Bobby Kennedy -- rough, tough Bobby Kennedy -- didn't do it. Just this quiet man trained by Benedictines who liked to quote poetry.


http://freepress.org/columns/display/1/2006/1304

[Cha]

1. Molly Nails It!

"The recent death of Gene McCarthy reminded me of a lesson I spent a long, long time unlearning, so now I have to re-learn it. It's about political courage and heroes, and when a country is desperate for leadership. There are times when regular politics will not do, and this is one of those times. There are times a country is so tired of bull that only the truth can provide relief."


None of this clinton bullshit for Molly Ivins.

[Kurovski]

2. Molly always got it nailed down. She was uncanny.

You know whadImean?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

81. Just another Judas accourding to Snakehead.

[Kurovski]

85. He didn't really say that, did he?

:D


I mean...out loud?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

92. No, he didn't. I was interpreting what his response would likely be to Molly's views. . .

I don't know about you, but Carville's comments pissed me off more than most of what's been said in this campaign. I didn't vote for Richardson, but I don't know anyone who doesn't think he's a perfectly decent guy. And for Carville to say what he did is disgusting. And for Hillary and Bill to let those comments stand without a sharp rebuke is almost as bad.

[ClayZ]

3. K and R

[XemaSab]

4. OMG! She compared Clinton to McCarthy!

:o






























































:hide:

[Kurovski]

7. Of course she did, dear.

She always said "Hillary is the female Gene McCarthy." I guess she just got confused when writing this column. :-)

[me b zola]

9. Ya know, Molly made me love Texas despite their village idiot who inhabits the West Wing

Miss you, Molly. :loveya:




On edit: re the village idiot: Bless his heart :rofl:

[Ian_rd]

49. Bush is not from Texas!

Grrrr. He likes to play a Texan on TV. Damn him for ruining the Texas image for everyone in the world. It used to be a place of wild west intrigue for that captured the imagination. Now it's "that place where the world's dumbest man comes from." And he's not even from there!

[PoliticalAmazon]

50. If he's from TX, Barbara Bush's vagina is 2000 miles wide; she was in CT when he was born n/t

[Ian_rd]

51. Must. not. think of it ... AHHHHH!

Why? Why? Why?

[DevonRex]

53. Oh God. Now I have THAT image in my brain. nt

[Eric Condon]

79. If that scares you, you've obviously never heard Bill Hicks' "Rush Limbaugh" routine.

[sasquatch]

55. The horror..............THE HORROR!!

:puke:

[TomBall Democrat]

86. Texas is big enough for all of us, friend

The Friendship State (Tejas) can claim George Bush, and is big enough to withstand the ridicule.

Hell, if we can still operate under a Reconstruction era constitution - we can do damn near anything.


God blessed us with the likes of:

Molly Ivins
Jim Hightower
Barbara Jordan
Ann Richards
Billie Carr (a great Harris County democrat no longer with us)

we can live thru a Bush or two

[blayne]

91. You are right,

but why does he have to patronize us with that ridiculous concho belt and that pathetic "ranch?" We have the King Ranch here that is bigger than Rhode Island. He has a farm. Crawford farm. And I guess he can wear whatever kind of western wear he wants on his farm.

Different topic: Why are "Rhode" and "Barack Obama" not in the freakin spell check?!? I understand concho not being in there, but can we give a state, however small it might be, and a presidential contender some love?

[diane in sf]

97. It's a former(?) pig farm at that.

[blossomstar]

140. Thank you for this post.

So very well said. You've put me in my place for sure. I've been so undone with Bush that ANYTHING Texas literally made me feel sick. Even when shopping on ebay if an item was coming from TX, I wouldn't buy it! THANK YOU for setting me straight. It was so very ugly of me. It is sad that I allowed that anger to cover everything from the entire state of Texas!

[midnight]

131. Thanks for the giggle...Texas-

it's "that place where the world's dumbest man comes from." I love Texas.. The people are friendly and the stars at night are big and bright.

[tavalon]

108. Really?

Wow. I lived just a few blocks from her and even though I loved her and Ann Richards deeply, neither one of them ever made me love that godforsaken state. They loved it, no doubt, but that place is just awful. Lived there for two decades and that was about 19 years too long.

[juno jones]

115. That;'s 18 and a 1/2 longer than I could hack it

:)

But I was stuck in Amarillo. I might have enjoyed being stuck in Austin.

[tavalon]

136. I was only there for the last 6 years but yes, living in Austin took away some of the sting

I was in San Antonio for an interminable time before that. But Amarillo is even worse. I'm really sorry.

[tavalon]

137. And I see by your profile that we both went to the same state

I hope you ended up in one of the liberal bastions here.

[cornfedyank]

126. she compared hillary clinton to bobby kennedy.

that's what i read. i remember 1968 and bobby did not get in the race till he saw Senator McCarthy make a dent,

[merh]

5. If she thought she wasn't candidate material in 2006, just imagine

her opinion today.

K&R

[krkaufman]

33. I truly regret not having Molly around to deride the Clinton tactics. n/t

[bjobotts]

71. This was mostly about the dem party not Hillary.She is example of Wash. Dems

The dem reps quit listening to the people and are fueled more by what doesn't anger the republicans rather than what their constituents want. They get elected and then fail to do what we elected them to do. Obama is no different. On healthcare alone he still plans to keep the profiteers in place rather than making it a not for profit plan. So the lobbyists will continue to bribe our reps with campaign donations for legislation that will protect and increase their profits.

No matter who the nominee the most important thing is that they listen to the people instead of assuming they know what is best for us. Both candidates continue to threaten Iran with regime change. Neither claims to have a plan to reduce military spending. Molly is right, forget what names these candidates go by for a moment and imagine how we will get them to pay attention to the demands of the people. The "money party" has two faces and right now we have a chance to dominate one side in order to change the direction, or the vision of our country's future.
So don't make this article about attacking Hillary when it is about reforming our democratic leaders. After all, Molly didn't even know about Barack just like most of the country at that time, but I know she would not let any of them off the hook when they fail to pay attention to what the people want.

[Baby Snooks]

77. It was about Hillary

Don't fool yourself. Molly said what Molly thought. She didn't coy around. If she were talking about the leadership, she would have talked about the leadership. She was talking about Hillary Clinton.

And Barack Obama wouldn't have mattered. What mattered, and still does, is Hillary Clinton. And what she represents. What Hillary and Bill Clinton represent. And it is not the best interests of the American people. It is the best interests of the Clintons.

In the end, she might support her as the Democratic candidate. But I doubt seriously she would have supported her in the primary. Any more than Ann Richards would have. And some of the "progressives" who say otherwise are talking out of both sides of their mouths. Trying to please both sides of a very rotten stick. The DLC in particular.

[ExPatLeftist]

80. Sorry, I just can't keep up with that spin...

When Ms. Ivins said "Hillary Clinton" she meant Washington Dems including Barack Obama? Was "Hillary Clinton" a sort of generic identifier of a "type" for Molly?

No offense intended, and I agreed with some of your further points. But the claim that she was not referring to Hillary when she referred to her by name just blew me away.

[kid a]

141. she would be fuming!

[kid a]

6. wow..I love and miss Molly! =(

She did indeed nail it - even 2 years ago.

I wish she was here to talk some sense into some people.

[bilgewaterbill]

8. "It's about political courage and heroes, and when a country is desperate for leadership"

[kid a]

124. k

[kid a]

10. if one thread per night could be pinned...this would be my vote.

[Kurovski]

12. Not a bad idea.

Maya Angelou inspired me.

Feel free to post this column every few days, is what I would suggest.

[Breeze54]

11. "There are times a country is so tired of bull that only the truth can provide relief. "

Right on!! I loved this the first time I read it and I miss Molly Ivins. :(

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

:kick: & Recommended

[TahitiNut]

21. "contemptible little dodges"

An entire legion of them.

:puke:

[Lisa0825]

13. I miss Molly

K&R

[culacano]

14. How many times will the same Molly Ivins article be posted?

I've seen it 4 times, and counting.

[Kurovski]

18. Six, maybe eight more times, I'd say.

But not all in one night, like a poem by Maya Angelou.

Some people still haven't read it. We all don't check in at the same time around here.

[crankychatter]

20. You should print it up and put it on your Refrigerator

never let the truth effect your judgement, eh?

[TahitiNut]

22. Lessons are repeated until they're learned.

Then it's time for the next lesson. :shrug:

[Breeze54]

23. Until it sinks in!

Welcome to DU, culacano! :hi:

[RichardRay]

35. Well, I tried to get a current update...

but for some reason Molly hasn't gotten back to me. I guess I'll just go with the last thing I heard from her on the subject.

[snooper2]

60. It should be nailed to the top of the page..

nt

[Lucky 13]

61. As many times as it takes for people to get it.

[JAbuchan08]

73. As long as people have more respect for Molly Ivins than Hillary Clinton

when I think of women I respect, Molly is at the top of the list.

[EFerrari]

98. There are some truths that are timeless. They bear repeating. n/t

[Bluebear]

15. Yes, dear

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4809353
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4643985
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4401338
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4397035
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4142893

... :)

[Kurovski]

16. I don't even think that's all of 'em.

:-)

[jonnyblitz]

34. i bet "Hillary's evil prayer circle" from "Mother Jones' gets

posted even more than that one. :hi:

[Kurovski]

68. This?

"For 15 years, Hillary Clinton has been part of a secretive religious group that seeks to bring Jesus back to Capitol Hill. Is she triangulating—or living her faith?"

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer.html

[juno jones]

118. As long as we're posting linkls

The link to the blog site of author Jeff Sharlet who invesitgated this cult:

http://jeffsharlet.blogspot.com/2008/02/blog-post.html


There are links to many of his articles there.Not all pertain to Hillary per se but most pertain to this cult.

The underlings (not the senators, of course) live in sexually segregated housing with sexually segregated duties and, may I add, chastely. Hillary is involved with a cult that discriminates against women.

The underlings are also servants to the overlings (the senators, etc).

They believe that democracy is not 'God's way' and that we need to be sheperded by elites, namely elites involved with the cult.

Does this remind you of the moonies or scientology? Sets my cult radar off big time. Scary stuff.

[meow mix]

17. K&R

molly knew

:patriot:

[crankychatter]

19. Haunting... the voice of a true Democrat

thank you for this post

[bluedawg12]

24. Molly Ivins is hardly up to date on events is she? n/t

[Kurovski]

25. Yes, that's correct...she's dead

and things are much, much worse.

[Lucky 13]

63. And yet she's still more contemporary than most here... n/t

[cliffordu]

26. Molly Ivins wrote something this powerful knowing that she was very ill.

She knew she would probably not be able to retract it later.

I think that the Clinton camp should fucking well pay attention.

I love Molly Ivins. I miss her like I'd miss a great friend and mentor.

All you need to know about integrity, honesty and CLASS, or the lack thereof, is to compare and contrast Hillary with Molly.

[Kurovski]

121. I like that observation, cliffordu. It was a serious charge to make, under the circumstances.

Thank you.

[kid a]

143. k

[Swamp Rat]

27. LOL!

"... And we thank you in advance for your desire to spread the news." ....... Molly, is that you? :rofl:

:kick: for channeling Molly! :D :kick:

[Kurovski]

32. There's a little bit of Molly in every progressives' soul.

I think that's why she resonates so well.

Like our "better angel", or maybe a "bastard angel", I'm not altogether sure. :-)

[DesEtoiles]

28. kick

[Laurab]

29. K&R I still remember reading this in the paper.

When she knew she was ill. She nailed it, and I can only imagine what she'd write today if she were still with us - I have a feeling she wouldn't be shocked by the Clinton campaign, but I sure wish she was here to write about it.

I miss Molly.

[Kurovski]

30. Same here.

She's missed by many.

Too many bullshitters and sell-outs in the "big" press.

[VenusRising]

31. She was a wonderful writer.

Molly Ivins and Ann Richards were two great Texas Democrats. :partiot:

[phrigndumass]

36. I miss Molly Ivins

Anything she'd write would be on my reading list.

Side note ... This forum seems more civil this morning. It's the only reason I'm posting in here at all.

[GumboYaYa]

37. Wow, from the grave Molly is spot on.

I sure do miss her.

[crankychatter]

38. Prescient

Inspired

[NashVegas]

39. What On Earth Makes You Think She'd Endorse Obama?

When Pelosi and Reid have sold out?

What do you think Molly Ivins would say about Obama's good buddy Mr. Rezko? You're on dope if you think she'd drink the Kool-Aid.

She once said he was the only potential candidate with any Elvis in him, but that was when she didn't know what we know now.


What kind of courage does it take, for mercy's sake? The majority of the American people (55 percent) think the war in Iraq is a mistake and that we should get out. The majority (65 percent) of the American people want single-payer health care and are willing to pay more taxes to get it. The majority (86 percent) of the American people favor raising the minimum wage. The majority of the American people (60 percent) favor repealing Bush's tax cuts, or at least those that go only to the rich. The majority (66 percent) wants to reduce the deficit not by cutting domestic spending, but by reducing Pentagon spending or raising taxes.

The majority (77 percent) thinks we should do "whatever it takes" to protect the environment. The majority (87 percent) thinks big oil companies are gouging consumers and would support a windfall profits tax. That is the center, you fools. WHO ARE YOU AFRAID OF?

I listen to people like Rahm Emanuel superciliously explaining elementary politics to us clueless naifs outside the Beltway ("First, you have to win elections"). Can't you even read the damn polls?

Here's a prize example by someone named Barry Casselman, who writes, "There is an invisible civil war in the Democratic Party, and it is between those who are attempting to satisfy the defeatist and pacifist left base of the party and those who are attempting to prepare the party for successful elections in 2006 and 2008."

This supposedly pits Howard Dean, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, emboldened by "a string of bad news from the Middle East ... into calling for premature retreat from Iraq," versus those pragmatic folk like Steny Hoyer, Rahm Emanuel, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and Joe Lieberman.

[Lucky 13]

64. I don't know how much clearer you can get than...

"I will not support Hillary Clinton for President"

She recognized Hillary for the liar, the waverer that she is. I'm not saying she'd be a Obamatron (like me apparently). But I think it's pretty clear she would NEVER support Hillary.

I miss Molly.

[Kurovski]

70. No one said she would.

She'd probably have a lot to say about the whole "hope" phenomenon. She mentions the desire for it in this current climate of utter bull.

She'd do honest reporting on Obama.

Why the insults over crap nobody here said? :shrug:

Why, God, why?!! :D

[bonito]

40. Kick!

[moondust]

41. Hillary was born on third base politically.

Of course she wants people to think she hit a triple. Sniper fire and everything...

Started political career as United States Senator from New York? Gimme a break.

Thanks, Molly!

[enough]

42. Every word of that essay still rings true like a bell,

and not just about Hillary.

[pberq]

43. Yes! Molly!

[MNDemNY]

44. In Chicago, her vote would still count.

gobama.

[Kurovski]

88. LOL!

:spank:

[JVS]

149. a city that honors its dead

[myrna minx]

45. I really miss Molly.

I can't imagine what she would be writing today.

[Kurovski]

89. I guess it's up to "Brenda" and "Lois" now.

;-) :hi:

[myrna minx]

95. Ha!

:hi:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

46. too bad Obama falls far short too of what Molly is calling for in that piece

Obama admitted he voted yea in favor of the Terri Schiavo S686 Mar 20, 2005....said he regreted it in one of the debates. another "bonehead" mistake

[Lucky 13]

65. If we want to compare "regretable" votes... bring it...

at least Obama's "regretable" vote didn't result in 4,000 Americans dead. And at least he can admit a mistake. In Hillaryland, there's justification or dodging for everything.

[helderheid]

47. "we thank you in advance for your desire to spread the news"

:rofl: :yourock: and so does Molly :loveya: Sure miss you!

[Kurovski]

100. And thank you, helderheid.

"K&R!" :D :hi:

[GodlessBiker]

48. I had forgotten about the flag burning thing. That really bothers me.

[DevonRex]

52. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

I had never read this.

[Kurovski]

You're welcome.

And that's why I think it's a good idea for someone to post this every now and again.

In my opinion, it's as well-written as some of Maya Angelou's poems.

[GoneOffShore]

54. Damn - I miss Mz Molly

And for those who are niggling over whether she'd support Obama now - Ask yourselves this - Do you think she'd support Hillsnbill?

No, she would be criticizing Obama for his missteps but, if her past support of progressives is any indication, supporting him.

[barb162]

56. Would she have supported Obama? Pretty old article you have there

written before Obama campaigned.

[Shakespeare]

57. She sure as hell thought he should run.

http://blog.niemanwatchdog.org/?p=190

[barb162]

58. If she had known about Wright? I doubt it.

The Elvis factor?
:eyes:

[Shakespeare]

59. Uh-uh. She'd have no problem sifting through the BS on Wright.

Needling folks for taking things out of context was a hobby of hers, and I don't doubt she'd be calling people on their hysteria over this. Do a little reading on Molly's (many) comments on race in America, and you should have no problem deducing where she'd come down in this dustup.

And don't roll your eyes over her "Elvis factor" comment. She's talking about political charisma, as I'm sure you're quite aware.

[NashVegas]

67. Rezko, On The Other Hand

Would be a whole 'nuther matter.

[Shakespeare]

69. Not necessarily. n/t

[NashVegas]

72. Ya Think?

EIn one instance, Rezko’s company left tenants without heat for five weeks. Obama said he was unaware of problems with the buildings and minimized the legal work he’d done.

[Shakespeare]

75. Here's what I think.

And this is my opinion as a non-Obama supporter who's read Molly (and met her a few times over the years) for about 25 years.

She's said categorically she wouldn't support Hillary for president. That doesn't allow for much parsing.

She's praised Obama and said he SHOULD run for president. Not a whole lot to parse there, either.

For any speculation on what she'd have to say about Wright or Rezko, the best analytical approach would be a look at how she covered the various Clinton scandals. She called bullshit where she saw it, and gave nuanced commentary where it was warranted (no evidence of wrongdoing, but a whole lot of shoulda known better, etc.). I think she'd categorically condemn Rezko, note her discomfort with Obama's closeness to him, but ultimately conclude--based on the facts at hand--that Obama hasn't done anything wrong. I think she'd acknowledge cringing at SOME OF Wright's commentary while pointing out how utterly out of context the excerpts of his sermons have been taken.

I think she'd offer complete and glowing praise for Obama's speech last week, and note that this is the kind of politician this country really needs.

So, yes, I think she would support Obama, but with her usual reality-goggled take that he's not perfect (and no one on that level of politics is).

[Prophet 451]

83. Entirely agreed

Molly was never one to let politicos slide, even when they were her favourites.

[HowHasItComeToThis]

125. BINGO FOR YOU

[TankLV]

132. Seems there's and awful lot he's "unaware of"..huh?!?!

TEN TO TWENTY YEARS of Rezko, McGlurkin, TWENTY YEARS of Wright...it's a DISTURBING PATTERN...

just what is he "aware of"?!!!!

and too many think he'd make a good president...

[TankLV]

128. Ahh - still trying to defend an ASSHOLE preacher...nice...

[Shakespeare]

138. Ya know what? The world is not a black and white place.

No pun intended, btw.

I'm not an Obama supporter. I'm not a Hillary supporter. I'll support the eventual nominee (I was an Edwards supporter).

But I also have a functional number of brain cells and a good amount of common sense to go with them--and I recognize that while Wright said some ugly things, they were also taken out of context. And he's also said some really wonderful things over the years.

So, no, he's not an "asshole." And he doesn't need me to defend him, to you or to anybody else.**

**and just noting that your shitty little responses in this thread have nothing to do with the topic.

[EFerrari]

99. She would probably have come to Wright's defense because unlike some posters here

Molly wasn't known for swallowing swill from Foxed Up News.

:)

[Wetzelbill]

111. oh right on

You know when Dems have to stoop to Fox News to attack a guy then things are all FUBAR.

[TankLV]

133. sorry - don't watch fux - but it's on ALL the other news programs TO THIS VERY DATE!!!

The TRUTH hurts...

and STILL some IDIOTS still are DEFENDING that ASSHOLE preacher!!!

ASSHOLE PREACHER....

[EFerrari]

146. They bought a smear that bears no relation to the truth.

And so have you. :)

[JAbuchan08]

74. Thanks for that.

n/t.

[juno jones]

119. Her answer: “Yes, he should run. He’s the only Democrat with any ‘Elvis’ to him.”

Her exact words

[K Gardner]

62. K&R

[Betsy Ross]

66. K&R

Truer today.

[UALRBSofL]

76. Poor Molly, she was a good and decent person.

She absolutely loved Bill the BigDog, but, she never liked Hillary and I believe she was a bit anti-feminist, just my opinion.

[TomBall Democrat]

87. Good?

Friend, I hear Molly laughing in heaven over that one right now.

As for anti-feminist, how about pro-human instead?

I'm for the people, not the gender or the race. Suspect Molly might see it that way too, if she were still here.

[demokatgurrl]

78. Of course, we can no longer ask her how she feels about it

today. Maybe after seeing just how bad things have continued to get under this adminstration of fools, she would bite the bullet and vote for whoever is the nominee. January 2006 was a long time ago.

And, just as I do when I see that tired old slogan "support our troops", I wonder what "support" means. Endorse? Give money to? Speak out for?
It can't mean "vote for", because I have to think she would have said "vote for" if that's what she meant.

[Kurovski]

105. I think she was speaking of the primaries.

As a serious Democrat, I think she would indeed have voted for Sen. Clinton if she wrangled it.

But Ivin's would have made life pretty uncomfortable for Madam President, I suspect.

[Prophet 451]

82. Damn, what a loss

Molly Ivins was one of the few things that came out of Texas that I loved (also, Texmex cooking, Kinky Friedman and Steve Austin (the wrestler, not the six million dollar man)). She's still one hell of a loss.

Of course, she said Obama should run back when we knew very little about him but I think that, of the two candidates still left in the race, she'd probably plump for Obama (albeit, while criticising his mistakes).

[Kurovski]

84. Here's something from Myra McPherson...

(It's an excerpt from the link Shakespeare has up-thread, in case you didn't already visit it.)

"In December 2006, the ever-prescient columnist and best-selling author Molly Ivins was asked whether or not Barack Obama should run for president. Her answer: “Yes, he should run. He’s the only Democrat with any ‘Elvis’ to him.”

The month before, I was sitting with Molly in the Texas State Capitol listening to Obama address an early-morning crowd attending the Texas Book Fair. I did not see any “Elvis” that day. I felt the speech was lackluster, as if the young senator who had written so poetic an autobiography was marking time on his path to something else, content with platitudes.

At one point he said something about the need for decency in government. It was a simple, quiet thought but it drew mild applause. Molly scribbled a note to me that said, in effect, we were in for a new time if an old-fashioned word like decency could draw applause.

And we were in for a new time. Sitting out there in Austin, away from the Beltway bloviators, dying of cancer, Molly Ivins nailed it better than anybody. Elvis began appearing in Obama the candidate..."



http://blog.niemanwatchdog.org/?p=190

[knixphan]

90. I miss Molly

[lebkuchen]

93. Missing Molly from across the pond.

~

[kid a]

123. k & r

[ooglymoogly]

94. k and rec for Molly and her excellent message...

speaking to us still from the beyond.

[diane in sf]

96. Thank you Molly!

[GoneOffShore]

101. And here's another kick to keep this flying.

[redqueen]

102. I really, really miss her.

:(

[happygoluckytoyou]

103. SMARTER DEAD THAN CHENEY ALIVE.... WHO'DA THUNK IT

[designforce]

104. If Hillary is the nominee, I will vote a straight Democratic

ticket EXCEPT for President. There I believe I will have to go with Nader.

REASON: Today, with Hillary raising Rev. Wright and using the tired old code language of hate and racism, I cannot in good faith vote for a NEOCON RETHUGLICAN POSING AS A DEMOCRAT!

The Clinton's and their extreme loyalists are destroying any chance the Dems have of winning it all, it is true that power corrupts. She went from the presumed nominee to actually having to fight for it and it is quite obvious that the Clinton camp is highly pissed.

Well, get over it. Liberals and progressives don't want another dynasty candidate, we want real change.

Just had to post as I am so mad after seeing her comments on MSNBC a few minutes ago....

Peace

[Jakes Progress]

109. Don't let MSM bend you.

If Hillary is the nominee - highly unlikely - get in line and vote for her. Not doing so is to let the neocon media machine have its way with you. If you vote Nader and McCain wins, I would hope you would have the guts to admit a mistake.


My feeling is that those who refuse to support the Dem nominee at the risk of a McCain administration must have fat incomes, no relatives who will ever go to war, and company paid insurance. Stamping our little feet to get back at Hillary at the expense of those less fortunate is not a progressive, let alone, a liberal stand. I've been an eventual Hillary supporter (my earlier choices either dropped out or have disgusted me) but on Election day, I will be saving time in the booth by voting straight democratic as I have for the last forty years.


Know what? So would Molly. As upset as she might be with either of the candidates we have left, she would not let her vote contribute to another republican administration.

[designforce]

113. I understand your point, however

I can't do it.

I am retired military, I do not have a fat paycheck, I am just a regular working guy who is just so mad with what is going on. Unfortunately for me, I am in Texas. I don't think my vote will count for anybody anyway as the electronic voting machines are unreliable.

But at least I will feel better voting for a person who actually advocates what Democrats 'used' to believe in, and that is Nader. I hope Obama is the nominee, and I will be happy and vote for him with the rest of the democrats.

I have voted for every Democrat since I could vote in 1970.

I had high hopes for our country, but I saw it all pissed away starting with Regan, and it has been downhill ever since. Clinton was not any better, just a DLC Democrat giving away everything real people have fought for in the labor movement, in the consumer protection movement, and so on.

So the politics of hate, race baiting, and choosing the lesser of two evils is over for me, I can't do it anymore. This old GI has fight left in him, but not for the likes of DLC Dems and any RETHUGLICANS. I will vote progressive, I am working to help the green party grow because I want more choices, real choices, not just the bland cookie cutter candidates we usually end up with.

We will gain in the house and the senate, we will not win the Presidency if Hillary is the nominee.

Just my opinion, and I am sticking to it.

PEACE

[Jakes Progress]

117. Another Texan here

I too feel that my vote is lost in the dusty winds that fling panhandle dust all over the state. But, hating Hillary is not the answer. Neither of the candidate we have left to choose from is the liberal that I would like. They have been hand selected and packaged by the neocon media. They convince half of us that Obama is an empty suit and convince the other half that Clinton is a mean-spirited spoiler. Neither is true. They are both good candidates and decent Democrats. The radical hype on both sides is most likely coming from freeper trolls, and I refuse to buy it.


As far as choosing the lesser of two evils, what we have for the nomination is the lesser of two middling politicians. But the one who goes in office will be appointing SP justices and deciding which laws to enforce. Neither has a very good voting record for doing outstandingly progressive legislation. As far as winning the presidency, neither has a very good chance. And if either wins without the support of all Democrats, it will be a one term mud fest for four years followed by 8 years of more neocon. The ability of the US populace to do the right thing is not apparent in its voting history.

I would also like a Paul Wellstone type presidency. But the edges don't win. It's built into the way we select leaders. A middle of the roader will win, and both of these candidates are just that.

[Kurovski]

148. Welcome to DU.

:hi:

[tavalon]

106. You know what?

I read this and I agreed with her but I also knew that if HRC got the nomination, she and I would be standing in the same line at the same precinct, voting for her. She wouldn't have been any happier than I, but she would have done it. She could take apart a politician before they even realized it, but she had street smarts. She got it to the core of her being and yes, she would have bitched all the way to the polls but she would have done the necessary thing. She would choose the lesser of two evils and had, many times in the past.

[Kurovski]

107. Ms. Ivins was always a loyal Democrat.

I'll be doing the same as you, if need be.

[quantass]

110. kr

[quantass]

112. kr

[bpeale]

114. she's dead. so what's your point? she can't vote anyway

[Kurovski]

116. Kick.

At least you're worth a kick to this thread, and for that I thank you.

[bagimin]

120. Molly was just preemptively in the bag for Obama

no doubt. C'mon now all my "ignores"...rip the dead. Theres nothing left.

[txwhitedove]

122. K & R. I miss Molly. We need more like her to blow away the bullshit.

:thumbsup:

[midnight]

127. I love Molly Ivens.... She did not know that we would have to

vote for a democratic president that might just be Hillary Clinton...I'm sure if Molly were here, she would carefully instruct us how important it is to vote a democratic president. It might not be the one you wanted, but you must work with what ya have.

[Kurovski]

129. I tend to agree.

I'll be voting Dem.

[TBF]

130. Did you even read the piece Molly wrote?

She DID NOT want Hillary to be president, in case you are still confused.

[Kurovski]

134. Molly was a Democrat.

She'd make the most of it. And ride Clinton the whole way.

She speaks here of the primaries. But she may have finally walked away from her party, we have no way of knowing.

There were no qualifiers built into the column, so maybe you're correct.

[Kurovski]

135. And well, she did write this:

"If Democrats in Washington haven't got enough sense to OWN the issue of political reform, I give up on them entirely."

[myrna minx]

142. You got yourself a little thread here.

Over 4000 views. :wow:

[Kurovski]

144. I looked at it 2000 times.

:-) It's Molly, you know.

[DB1]

139. I miss Molly. Thanks for this post. She was truly a wise person.

[Carolina]

145. K&R!

[Strawman]

147. I don't know if I can either

In the past I have always said I would enthusiastically vote for her if she were the nominee, but based on the way they have run this campaign, I don't know anymore. It would take some persuasion for me to not just leave the top of my ballot blank.