Some Thoughts Of Hillary's Supporters Here

[JimGinPA]

Many of them have not been assholes here, and even the ones that have have to know the end of her run is coming, the M$M isn't even pretending she has an honest chance to succeed now. You know they have an emotional investment in her campaign. They're blaming Obama for taking the Whitehouse away from her rather than some of her top advisors' poor strategy throughout the primary season, where the fault truly lies. They're blaming the press for perceived bias, even to the point of denouncing progressive correspondents that they feel have abandoned them. They can't understand how Obama has generated all this enthusiasm. They're envious of his huge rallies and his grassroot support.

The "Let it sink" and "ignore lists" are offensive to all of her supporters here, not just the more disruptive among them. As are the snarky polls. I don't blame some of them for wanting to to be "scarce" for a while. They've been outnumbered here and many of the arguments for her candidacy haven't stood up to scrutiny. There has been too much nastiness all around. While I empathize with them I'm still not willing to allow their bullshit posts to go unchallanged. Hopefully this ends soon and we can all focus our attention on McSame and congressional districts and senate seats that need to filled by democrats.

[ClassWarrior]

1. When we try to engage them, the Bullies among them attack us, but when...

...a (rather large) group of us rejects that kind of confrontation by "letting it sink," that's offensive??

:crazy:

NGU.

[JimGinPA]

6. They've Been Taking Turns Kicking & Rec'ing Trash Threads For Weeks...

Just to keep those threads on the front page. Letting them sink was not effective at keeping the garbage down. I guess it took a make-believe sniper to accomplish that.

[lapfog_1]

16. Many weeks back

right after Wisconsin... I simply stopped responding to attacks on Obama.

My position is that the favorable comparison of McCain to Obama by Hillary and the Clinton campaign officially ended her membership in the Democratic Party.

I've taken the stance that since I no longer consider her a Democrat, I also don't consider those that attack Obama as Democrats.

So, to make my time here more enjoyable to me, I've been adding those people to my ignore list. It's up to around 250 entries now. I'm sorry if that offends the sensibilities of DUers here, but thats what I must do until Hillary ends her campaign.

At this point, I believe the Clintons are playing for 2012... and to throw enough dirt and ill will on Obama, along with enough praise for McCain, that McCain wins. 2012 is the last chance for Hillary to be President. That concept has now made it's way to many other points of the blogosphere and even the Cable News arena. Every day that passes where another reference is made that questions Obama's fitness to be President V. McCain/Hillary by the Clinton campaign or her surrogates is another one which I believe confirms my theory. Not only is Hillary no longer a Democrat, she is actively trying to terminate our party's nominee chances of winning.

So, by ignoring the nearly 250 handles, I have been "letting it sink".

[NanceGreggs]

2. You're right.

K & R.

[CitizenLeft]

3. I have NEVER gone "nyah nyah nyah" to ANYONE on this board.

Nor have I said "she should drop out," nor called her a liar, or done anything to offend a Clinton supporter.

And because I've been very careful to be fair, I've come TO MY FUCKING BREAKING POINT about the Wright-is-a-Racist-Hates-America-How-dare-he-not-kiss-our-white-asses BULLSHIT that is STILL being posted on every other goddam thread on this board. "Ignore" can't even keep UP with this shit. I've HAD it, and, frankly, their leaving makes this board a much pleasanter place if, for nothing else, I don't have to constantly defend my goddam RACE on every other thread. Praise Hillary Clinton, defend her policies, root her on, keep hoping she'll win, I DON'T CARE. I. DON'T. CARE. But this undercurrent - no WAVE - of racism and unbelieveable insensitivity and fake outrage about this minister is just intolerable and I CAN'T STAND IT any more.

I've HAD it.

Thank you for listening.

*tries to calm down*

[FlyingSquirrel]

5. .

:hug:

[JimGinPA]

15. I Was More Angry At The M$M Than I Was At the HRC Posters Here...

I knew right from the beginning that the story was another bogus "Dean scream" type of blood-letting meant to sink his campaign and the talking heads didn't even bother to take the time to look at any of the snippets in context for an entire week.


Most of the HRC posters here were basically grasping at straws, thinking that somehow that a miracle had come and saved her. The racist rhetoric here came from trolls and the most ignorant from amongst them.

[Window]

24. I was equally pissed at the MSM and Hillary supporters. That's why I turned the TV off,

along with her supporters.

[Window]

19. What CitizenLeft said, word for word.

:thumbsup:

The Wright crap was the last straw for me, also.

I used to give Hillary praise up until her, "SHAME ON YOU BARACK OBAMA and her "Meet me in Ohio" moment, which occurred less than a day after her "I'm so proud to be sharing a stage with Barack Obama" moment. She went steadily downhill from there.

[ekwhite]

20. I was getting pretty pissed about the whole 'angry black man' thing

They were spewing the same kind of crap that was pissing off Chris Wallace and caused the Fox and Friends guy to walk off the set. The good thing about this is that I learned a lot about Rev. Wright and Trinity United Church of Christ.

Rev. Wright was part of a surgical team that operated on President Johnson, no less. He is a dynamic and thought-provoking preacher. He went to Libya to help free a downed American pilot - I remember the mission because of Jesse Jackson, but I did not realize he was part of it. Rev. Wright is a distinguished American who should be praised for his work, not swiftboated for a few words taken out of context. The whole sorry episode exposes the racism of mainstream America and the shamelessness of the American media.

[Melinda]

4. Yep, it sucks to be on the losing side.. lord knows, been there, bought the ranch.

It really, really *hurts*

I walked around in basically a fugue state for a solid month after the FL fiasco of 2000, then bawled my eyes out for a week after SCOTUS intervened.

I sobbed like a baby the day "Shock and Awe" began.

And I cried and cried when Dean went *poof*

I *know* they are hurting, and I hurt for them too. I really do.

K&R.

[better tomorrow]

12. yeah, I went to therapy in 2004 after Bush was re-elected and

got some support. It was amazing how many friends and relatives I lost trying to tell them they made a mistake. Defeat and hopelessness can be real. I hope the Hillary supporters find HOPE again in Obama. It only took four years for everyone to realize I was right and for those freinds to come back....I just hope the Hillary supporters aren't right and prove us all wrong in the end....

[Breeze54]

7. Good post.

"Reality bites."

[sandnsea]

8. There is no ignore list

and reminding each other to ignore flame threads has been going on as long as there has been a DU.

This was all started by a supposed Hillary supporter turned Obama supporter. Don't buy into it. It's just a complete bunch of bullshit.

[crankychatter]

14. thank you sand n sea

I ain't from around here

I just came to get up to date information on my candidate

ended up being infuriated by these racists and corporocrats

I'm generally ez

(Ok that's not precisely accurate)

I'd LIKE to be generally more easy

Sen Obama is my role model

[Swamp Rat]

9. k&r

[crankychatter]

10. you're a smart person Jim

I respect that but check it out

I've been here a short while and all I have witnessed

is people playing the board... top posting incessant, inflammatory, false and often RACIST crap

OK?

I don't forgive ANY of that

sorry... they that do those things can go to hell

[crankychatter]

11. I don't have to drive across town to get kicked in the balls

evidentally, I can do it right here

[crankychatter]

13. Still, you get a double bump from ME

You go dawg

[Norrin Radd]

17. kr

[Awsi Dooger]

18. Some thoughts for you

Hillary has been betrayed by her advisors, horrible strategy particularly in the lesser populated states. She had very high unfavorable ratings to begin with.

Yet Obama is barely ahead. If it were poll percentage instead of actual votes, this would be comfortably within the margin of error.

So is Obama really an all-conquering phenom, or did he merely have his hand raised when the other side fell out of the ring?

LOL. It reminds me of the inane "overrated, overrated..." chants at sporting events. Nothing like diminishing your own accomplishment, by insisting the opposition was dramatically overstated to begin with.

Hillary was hardly an overwhelming favorite. She was basically 50/50 vs. the Field on market sites for more than a year. An implosive shortsighted campaign, and she trails by a fraction.

I'd be much more confident in Obama toward November if Hillary had run a phenomenal race, unblemished by controversy, yet he comfortably put her away. This thread itself says, "...where the fault truly lies," referring to a poor campaign taking the White House away from Hillary. Teams that rely on turnovers are less than they appear.

Obama has demographic weakness in key states, and likability/charisma is not as decisive in open races after 2 straight terms with the other side in charge. That's something I've posted on DU for years. It's hardly summoned in Hillary's behalf or to knock Obama. Personal qualities are necessary to oust an incumbent, some pizazz to say, "yes, I favor him over the known quantity." In open races the course of the nation is at stake, basically even weight given to either argument, and it's absolutely critical the nominee's forte is issue strength that can hold up to intense scrutiny.

In another thread today someone put it very well, that Hillary is like a blue chip stock, a long term known quantity, and that's built into the price. How can we ignore a built in price adjustment when it favored us so dramatically in '06? That's all '06 was, a situational avalanche of a second term midterm simultaneous with unpopular president and war. My concern is we put too much stock in that result, and believe we can get away with nominating virtually anyone, regardless of slim resume.

Obama is more of a gamble on greatness, both in terms of electoral vulnerability and the type of president he'll become. I've lived in Las Vegas for 20+ years and know odds very well. No way I'd choose that option over the safer nature of the former, not in a year with a smaller than '06 Democratic tilt, and with the economy the overriding concern. Hillary would be huge chalk to dominate McCain in discourse over the economy.

All the speeches and upbeat threads are charming but bottom line we don't win minus at least one among Florida, Ohio or Virginia. All three states have backwards tendencies, and high percentage of self-identified conservatives.

I think Obama can narrowly pull it off but the base of our party is handicapping incorrectly, which is the norm.

[Uben]

21. You have more faith than I do

I do not believe Obama can win the GE. I will be voting for him, regardless. I believe the "new democrats" who have come to his side and bolstered his campaign are sincere in their belief in his abilities, but I do not think the average Joe will put the "X" by his name come November. Everyone has an opinion, and I know mine matters only to myself. I hope I am dead wrong.


Higher percentages of whites vote than blacks. Older folks have a much higher percentage of voters than younger folks. This is disturbing because older white folks tend to be the ones who decide elections, and there is no reason to believe this election will be any different. When they walk into that booth in November, will they vote for Obama? I hope they are so upset with Bush and the republicans that they will. I don't see how they could vote for McCain over Obama, but then again, I was shocked they gave Bush a second term. My fear is that they will hold their collective noses and push the McCain button. If that happens, what will the consequences be? You think America is divided now?

I think an Obama presidency would be good for America, if he can produce. Good speeches do not translate into good legislation.
Good speeches do not take away the influence of special interest groups who have dominated our congress. Good speeches do not change the laws to favor the middle class. This takes cooperation between both dems and repubs to see past the special intersts and the billions of dollars they pump into politicians campaigns to actually inact change. Do you honestly believe they will vote against the ones who are feeeding their egos and pumping money to them? I don't. Not for a minute!

[ekwhite]

22. I'll have to respectfully disagree with you on a few points.

Barack Obama has gone from 'Barack Who?' to the front runner. I started this thing as an Edwards supporter, and didn't even think of Obama at that point. My thoughts were "oh yeah - the guy from Chicago. He gives a pretty good speech." He not only managed to beat Hillary Clinton, but also Bill Richardson, John Edwards, Joe Biden, and all of the other candidates. Hillary Clinton came in as the overwhelming favorite with a bulging campaign chest. She had, and has, high negatives among the general population, but she had high positives among mainstream Democrats.

Barack Obama has no doubt benefited from a badly-run campaign by Clinton, but he should not even be in the race at this point. But here he is - in the lead. I think you are under-rating both Obama and Clinton - they are both excellent campaigners. She has certainly proved her resilience in the race.

I do agree with you that the general election is not in the bag. There is a long time between here and November. Obama still has quite a few hurdles to jump over between now and then.

[Window]

23. The "Let it sink" and "ignore lists" were an attempt to lessen the vitrol...

and, IMO, it certainly has helped. Were it not for their "bullshit posts," others would not have felt the need to respond with even nastier posts. I agree two wrongs do not make a right, but the level of hatred toward Senator Obama and his supporters were simply disgusting. Also, that race crap re Rev. Wright really broke the camel's back for me as a Black woman.

[quickesst]

25. HRC supporters.....

are getting scarce here for the same reason they don't go to freeprepublic, and for the reason Kos has lost app. half it's writers. People who are in full control of their faculties can only take so much fanatic hatred, and this place has been overrun by it. Try to remember the 2000 election, and trying to reason with a Bush supporter. Yeah, that's right, Obama supporters have replaced them, democratic style. Thanks for the memories.
quickesst

[Perry Logan]

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[Warren Stupidity]

28. bullshit. They planned this before the Ignore List existed.

[Warren Stupidity]

27. I guess I don't quite understand how not responding to flamebait

is offensive.

The Ignore List I get - that was silly and offensive. However it was a reaction to a planned (and far more idiotic) Strike by (it turns out) an actual organized group of Hillary supporters here (or as it turns out, not here), who intend it seems to disrupt this board.

[Orsino]

29. The crazies are the exception, not the rule.

Clinton has broad-based support among sane, well-intentioned people, just as Obama does.

I think the historical nature of either's presidency is encouraging the most ludicrous, drooling stuff. People wanna believe.

But "let it sink" is a good response to any obvious trolling or stupidity. I can't tell anyone not to be offended by it, but won't be able to muster much sympathy.