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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:50 AM
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JAMES CARVILLE - LOYALTY TRUMPS JUDGEMENT
Here is a great point raised by Seth Graham Smithe in the HPost.

When someone is all riled up and pissed off, he might -- oh, I don't know -- compare the governor of New Mexico to Judas Iscariot.

I didn't think anything of your comments over the weekend. Truth is, there's been so much bomb-throwing between the two Democrats that it's all started to sound like that tinny, temporary deafness Tom Hanks gets in Saving Private Ryan.

But on Monday's Situation Room, after you'd had the whole weekend to cool down, you sat in front of Wolf Blitzer's Wall from the Future and refused to back off the analogy. That's fine. Those are your principles. So let's have a discussion based on those principles:

You're sore at Mr. Richardson because he didn't sew his chevrons back on and "fall in line" (your words) like other Clinton apostles have. Is that really your position? That loyalty should trump judgment? Hmmm...loyalty trumping judgment. I know I've heard that somewh -- oh, that's right! Every day for the last seven years!

Is that really what the Clinton campaign has come to? "You owe us?" Is Hillary going to unveil her new "Shut Up and Pull the Lever" spots in Pennsylvania?


Here's another oft-repeated point on MI and FL and their revotes.

You also likened this primary season to a "forty-minute game" that was unfairly cut down to thirty-six minutes, since the delegates from Michigan and Florida aren't being counted. But there's one itsy bitsy flaw in that logic...

Your candidate agreed to a thirty-six minute game.

All of the democratic candidates did. They agreed that Michigan and Florida's delegates wouldn't be seated, since those states had violated party rules. No campaigning was supposed take place there. Senator Obama didn't even put his name on the ballot in Michigan. He followed the rules. If we're to run with your "forty-minute game" example, Hillary's now trying to get the commissioner to change the rules because she doesn't like the score in the forth quarter.


Do I need to say more?? Finally the link to the original story:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-grahamesmith/dear-mr-carville_b_93199.html

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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:52 AM
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1. Just like the Bush Administration, you know, where his wife works. -eom
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:52 AM
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2. Carville's statements are a clear warning shot at other superdelegates
They are very worried that a particular or some group of SD are thinking about doing something.
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clevbot Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:54 AM
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3. yeah... and i don;t think the SD's will like being bullied by the runner-up
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:07 AM
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11. I think that it was specifically aimed at NY superdelegates
specifically those from AA districts that went overwhelmingly for Obama that are thinking of changining endorsements.
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:54 AM
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5. Well, they will just end up alienating the SDs and the Hispanic community..Stupid I think..n/t
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:54 AM
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4. Cronyism trumps all for him and those like him.... I can only assume he sees his career ending soon
Out with the old Clinton crowd and in with the Obama crowd.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:56 AM
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6. Carville is the damn Judas who tipped off the Bush campaign
about the Kerry strategy. What a hypocrite.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:58 AM
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7. This satirist makes a really good point by calling him
"Mr. Sleeping with the enemy."

http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=1654

He posted it here earlier today.
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:29 AM
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12. Was not able to see the story
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:33 AM
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there was no story just graphics of Carville's wife with Cheney for whom she's
worked for years.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:33 AM
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13. there was no story just graphics of Carville's wife with Cheney for whom she's
worked for years.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:59 AM
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8. "Shut Up and Pull the Lever"
Good one.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:02 AM
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9. "Is that really your position? That loyalty should trump judgment?
Hmmm...loyalty trumping judgment. I know I've heard that somewh -- oh, that's right! Every day for the last seven years!"

:thumbsup:
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:05 AM
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10. Welcome to HillaryWorld. Look at Carville. Is this what we want for 4 years? n/t
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