Clinton Winning The Electoral College, Obama Losing

[Skoods]

According to Electoral-Vote.com and based on a combination of polls from each state and various pollsters, Hillary Clinton currently defeats John McCain 273-221 with 44 EV tied. McCain triumphs over Obama 296-218 with 24 EV tied.


John McCain - 296, Barack Obama - 218, Ties - 24


Hillary Clinton - 273, John McCain - 221, Ties - 44




http://www.electoral-vote.com/

[anonymous171]

1. HEY LOOK! A REPOST!

[olkaz]

12. A repost of a repost of a repost!

A winnar is OP!

[ChairmanAgnostic]

28. a whorse is a whorse, of coarse, of coarse,

[grantcart]

2. If it makes you feel better you can go back and look at the polls showing

Hillary winning the nomination by a landslide.

[Nitrogenica]

3. This will completely change once we pick our nominee.

[Kittycat]

4. If this was the GE - I'd give a shit.

But this is crap, and you know it. To think a dem will not win a dem state, is just idiotic.

[leftofcool]

10. McGovern didn't win but one Dem state

better read your political history

[Kittycat]

20. But so far Obama has and will continue to in the GE.

Don't be an idiot and try to spin with this kind of garbage.

[leftofcool]

35. your candidate is toast and you know it

[Kittycat]

41. By toast - you mean toasting in celebration?

Because he has the most PDs, most states won & most popular vote.

Your candidate needs 67% of all remaining contests just to catch him. Let that sink in a little.

[islandmkl]

5. nothing better than counting votes before they are actually cast...

ask the New England Patriots how that worked out in the Super Bowl....

[SoFlaJet]

24. as a Jets fan may I say

that I love you for that post?

[polichick]

6. Lol - the nomination is not determined by the electoral college.

[babylonsister]

9. It's the new Clinton math; they're trying to push the idea with no success. nt

[phrigndumass]

7. Electoral votes in March

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

8. That's like saying Al Gore won 100% of the electoral college in 2000.

It's a really, really dumb argument. And just because the Clinton campaign is jumping off the bridges, Skoods, it doesn't mean you should too.

[Skoods]

13. What the hell are you talking about?

[Hepburn]

16. Hint:

The Pubbies have a nominee...the Dems do not. How did you miss that FACT?

<sigh>

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

19. This is really very simply.

The primaries have nothing to do with the electoral college.

[Voice for Peace]

36. Duplicating this point for emphasis: The primaries have nothing to do with the electoral college.

If you think about it, you'll get it.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

11. Hillary winning the X Chromosones!!!

nt

[Hepburn]

14. I was going to write a long explanation to you as to what is wrong...

...with what you are exspousing...but I don't think you would understand.

So I will just say this: A PARTY'S NOMINATION IS NOT DECIDED BY ELECTORAL VOTES, OK?

:eyes:

[onenote]

15. if you exclude the states that are "barely" leaning one way or the other

and only consider the "strong" and "weak" leaning states, Obama holds a narrow (5 ev)lead over McCain and McCain holds a narrow (one ev) lead over Clinton. THe poll divides the states in to "strong" R, strong D, weak R, weak D, barely R, barely D, and even. Given that the "barely" states are all within the margin of error, including them distorts the poll.

[politicallore]

17. I find it funny they are pushing this now, and trying to throw the normal process out the window...

Good tactic though

[DJ13]

18. Great!

So how many Electoral votes has Hillary already gotten?

ZERO

0

NADA

NONE

Same as Obama.

[MadHound]

21. Excuse me, but first of all, this doesn't matter

Since we're in the primary contest right now, not the GE. You win the primary contest with delegates, not electoral college members, and in the primary contest right now and in almost every conceivable case, Obama is winning.

Secondly, a lot can happen between now and then, and the GE can turn on a dime. Finally, whoever is doing these polls is being a bit dishonest. I live in Missouri, and I know that there's no way in hell that Hillary is doing better in this state than Obama. Her name will bring out every single RW nutcase in order to vote against here, unlike Obama.

[VolcanoJen]

22. Someone explain to me how Mike Dukakis lost the general election in 1988, then.

He won all the "big states" on his way to the Democratic Nomination. Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas, Michigan, Florida.

And went on to lose each of those to Poppy Bush in November.

This kind of argument depends on the electorate being born yesterday, doesn't it?

[Thepricebreaker]

23. Spin Spin Spin - the only numbers clinton found she wins.. IT MEANS NOTHING..

[KingFlorez]

25. It's way too early

These numbers will definitely change. There's no way McCain could get Minnesota or Obama get North Dakota, these states are safe for the respective parties.

[Nia Zuri]

26. They don't even believe this themselves. This just justification for

her to stay in the race and bloody up Obama.They don't really believe they have a chance of winning at this point, but they need to provide some rationale for staying int he race.

[stray cat]

27. Amazing and no one has even voted yet!

[babylonsister]

29. And just imagine, in 2000 Clinton advocated abandoning the electoral college...

As usual, she's all for something only when it works to her advantage. :eyes:

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/groundgame/2008/03/flunking-out-of-electoral-coll.html

Flunking Out of Electoral College

By Eric Pfeiffer | March 24, 2008 5:09 PM | Permalink | Comments (1)

Fun fact: Amidst the Florida recount debacle after the 2000 election, Hillary Clinton advocated abandoning the electoral college in favor of a national popular vote.

Fast forward 8 years: Clinton campaign surrogate Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana showed up on yesterday on CNN's "Late Edition" offering the assertion that Hillary Clinton is actually leading the Democratic primary because the states she's won carry the most electoral college votes (Clinton's 219 to Obama's 202, respectively).

Reason's Dave Weigel also notes the electoral college double standard.

The conservative Hot Air takes apart Bayh's logic:

Bayh’s point is stupid, not only because many of the big states where she beat Obama will go blue in November no matter who the nominee is but because, as Jay Cost notes, Democratic primary voters aren’t the same as general election voters.

[Froward69]

30. oh dear god...

this is a strrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeech...

obviously under sniper fire eh?

[cliffordu]

31. OMFG!!!!!

Another Teepee Freeper!!!!!

Fock. Did you get this as a social studies assignment????

[cascadiance]

32. Polls, schmolls! In the polls that count she's lost!

[dchill]

33. Er, NOBODY wins the Electoral College until...

they become the nominee of their party.

[americanstranger]

34. This place just hurts my brain some days.

The things people will grasp onto in order to avoid reality just amaze me sometimes.

- as

[mzmolly]

37. Interesting.

But I don't believe they were correct in 04?

[Ian_rd]

38. A good repost deserves another.

This is hilarious:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/25/012/39464/500/483594

[Ian_rd]

39. I just recommended this thread - everyone needs to see how ridiculous and desperate the Hillary ...

... campaign is becoming. How many hours of alternate math did it take to dream up this pointless garbage?

[Skoods]

43. Pointless?

When Obama was winning the GE polls it was a reason to nominate him. Now that Hillary is it's pointless. More classic hypocrisy from Obama's supporters.

[Ian_rd]

44. Actually the reason to nominate him is that he'll be a better president. And that has never been ...

... otherwise. But if it feels good to call that hypocrisy, then by all means self-medicate yourself with it.

[Perky]

40. Very dishonest subject line

If you if you include tied states and Barely Republican states the numbers flip back decidedly

Obama Clinton
Strong Dem 153 129
Weak Dem 36 94
Barely Dem 42 45
Tied 15 24
Barely GOP 137 35
total 383 327


Hillary has a higher floor, but Obama has a much higher ceiling. Hillary also has a much lower ceiling.

The margins on the Barelies are actuall tihing 2 points or so,

And if you look at the Barely GOPs the difference is pretty dramatic.

[Skoods]

42. I find it very, very hypocritical

That all the Obama supporters that are calling this meaningless were, when Obama was winning the polls against McCain, using it as a linchpin towards him being nominated. All I used to hear was that he was more electable. Now that he's losing, the polls are meaningless.