Pastorgate vs. Snipergate.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

Interesting to watch, isn't it?

Obama gives a soul-rending, historic speech, where in he disagrees with Wright, but doesn't disown him. He confronts the issue head on.

Clinton? She keeps making the same false claims until confronted with videotape evidence, and actually sticks with the claims for awhile, before coming up with transparent nonsense about "misstatements" and "sleep deprivation," just digging herself deeper into a hole.

[TwilightGardener]

1. I believe she actually blamed the little girl and her freaking poem and bouquet--

the child was clearly preventing her from running for her life.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. Yeah, LOL

The video with the little girl comes up, so she argues she was trying to protect the little girl.

:rofl:

[redqueen]

19. You mean when she said

she couldn't just rush past the little girl?

[UALRBSofL]

3. Obama was busted about knowing about the hate sermons

They are all over YouTube and all anyone needs to do is search "Obama lies Wright", on YouTube and there they are.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. It's all over the youtubes, eh?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2VfjJi2qjR8

[jgraz]

17. Quit saying "hate sermons" unless you can back that up with a quote

This "hate sermon" is a Hannity meme. Please quit spreading his filth here.

[Laughing Mirror]

27. The hate sermons are coming from you, not from Rev Wright

And yes I've watched a couple. Makes me want to go back to church on Sunday, almost.

[Taxmyth]

5. Obama = no substance

Sure, Senator Obama gave a nice speech and all about race while the rest of America debates about his continued attendance at a church where the Pastor is recorded as saying "Goddamn America".

That does not compare to the former First Lady flying into a war zone to comfort and provide a morale boost for US Troops stationed there. Does it really make a difference to the gist of the story whether she WAS fired on by snipers, warned about being fired on by snipers or another similar EXPECTED event in a war zone? No, it doesn't. The former First Lady flew into a war zone to comfort and provide a morale boost for US Troops stationed there.

Say, did the amounts from Rezko change again this week for Senator Obama?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

6. LOL

I love satire.

[Taxmyth]

8. Satirical

I find Senator Obama's insistence on transparency followed by his refusal to release the cases he worked on for Tony Rezko amusing.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

12. Stop it.

You're killing me.

:rofl:

[ChairmanAgnostic]

22. I suspect he meant, satyrical - as in the former president.

[Hepburn]

16. So.....

...how does any lawyer release confidential info on his/her own?

Care to tell us all what you know about the practice of law and the rules about confidentiality and privilege?

Waiting....

[roguevalley]

24. I find Hillary's refusal to release her tax records, unlike obama

who did amusing. She's so transparent, that girl, but not in a good way. Just like you, rather. Go take your 164 posts and find someone else to bother.

[progressive_realist]

14. Why do Clinton supporters keep calling it a war zone?

It may have been a fragile peace, but the war ended three months before her visit.

[redqueen]

21. Sleep deprivation?

:shrug:

[Pawel K]

15. Like when Cheney or McCain fly in to a war zone. Wow, what heros they are

you're a troll here to make Clinton supporters look bad, aren't you?

[roguevalley]

23. hey, Mr. 164 Posts, for those of us with kinfolk who were serving

in Bosnia at the same time, IT MEANS A HELLUVA LOT.

Remember the screaming when Bush hit Iraq and dragged a fake turkey around? Same thing. It was a lie with him and a lie with her, both of them exploiting real troops in harms way for political gain. She is a real dipshit in my book. Snipers tried to kill my boy every single day. He was a target every damned day. Just going to the latrine meant leaving the bunker and running from sniper fire. She is a piece of crap to do this and I don't find people minimizing it funny or decent. IT MATTERS TO ME AND IF YOU REALLY CARED ABOUT THE TROOPS AND THEIR FAMILIES IT SHOULD MATTER TO YOU!

As for Rezko, the conservative newspaper that broke the story interviewed him with all their many reporters for an hour and a half asking whatever they liked. They said he passed their test. Get over yourself.

[krkaufman]

31. That's one thing I don't get, regarding Hillary's puffery.

It's one thing to lie about something to pad the resume, but I would think it in a whole 'nother ballpark to be self-promoting heroism, especially if false. I would think that troops would be insulted and/or incensed, but I don't hear the media reporting that angle.

[bridgit]

37. I understand what you're saying, and BO supporters are just fine with the 'no substance thing'

That's what I've been mentioning for some time now; BO is green, he doesn't want to say anything cause he's playing the 'say nothing and you say nothing wrong' game. He'd much, much rather go from university gymnasium to university gymnasium filled with waving, cheering, adoring fans and projecting *cool* than to answer any q's of any substance come on!! He's had a great gig up till now. And for that matter all this...

"Obama gives a soul-rending, historic speech, where in (sic) he disagrees with Wright, but doesn't disown him. He confronts the issue head on."

Was only thus & so in response to BO's poll numbers just fluttering in the wind after 'the issue' confronted him head on. Then he made a speech he should have delivered months ago imo and somewhat unprompted for want of personal political gain.

[grantcart]

7. And Obama is talking about something somebody else said

[democrattotheend]

9. Exactly. I resent the use of the word "gate" to describe the Wright controversy

Because that implies that Obama did something wrong, which he didn't.

[Johnny__Motown]

10. The Pastor used to be a Marine... can't we try to combine these? PastorSniperGate?

[Bensthename]

11. Obama's pastors words Vs. Hillary's words

You may not be able to preevnt what your pastor says but you should be able to prevent what you say.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

30. Yes Hillary is Hillary

Obama is not the pastor

[Dr Fate]

13. 3:00AM phone-call moments, as it were. n/t

n/t

[krkaufman]

32. Yeah, do you want Hillary answering at 3am, when this is what she does when "sleep deprived"?

"Ooops, sorry about launching those nukes. I thought somebody said that the Soviet Union (sic) was attacking."

[Cha]

18. Yeah, the WaPo political strip writer, Pat Oliphant,

has this in paper.

[krkaufman]

33. McCain and Hillary being derided for what they themselves have done.

While Obama is being derided because people have been offended by what they think Obama's pastor has preached.

[DrFunkenstein]

20. In a Word: Courage.

For all her hawkish triangulations, Clinton has never shown a fraction of the courage she demanded of the hundereds of thousands of soldiers she helped send into a Mogadishu-style warzone for the sake of her political ambitions.

[krkaufman]

34. Very well put. n/t

[sniffa]

25. I risked my life dodging sniper bullets to get to this thread

so I could recommend and respond.

Sniffa, winner of the DU Hero Medal.

[mudesi]

26. Says it all, doesn't it? (nm)

[apocalypsehow]

28. Hammer. Nail. Head. K & R.

:thumbsup:

[krkaufman]

29. o.m.g. I *just* saw that she also claimed to be "sleep deprived"

Is no one pointing out the irony of this statement with her "who do you want answering the phone at 3am ads"?

Somebody's gotta put together those two video clips.

[Name removed]

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[krkaufman]

39. aw... shucks. I'm always so bummed when someone's response gets deleted ...

... before I can read it.

:shrug:

[BenDavid]

36. Soul rending speech in which he for a year told us that he had

never been in a service where wright spoke hate towards anything white but in his speech obama said Yes he had, but of course the leftleaningwhoremedia gave him a pass on this because they are so afraid they will be labeled racist. Well, I say to hell with that crap. Obama has played the race card and race baited in this campaign to make ones head swim but because one might be labeled a bigot or a racist if one speaks out against him, well call me a bigot and a racist if you must but I have told you for months on end that obama plays the race card and he himself I label a bigot....and this should be called the Obigot 08 campaign because that is exactly what it is and he has won because he has the media so afraid to speak against him because he will throw out racist, racist......

Obama, I know your kind brother, and you are no better then the white peckerhead that plays the race game too....

[krkaufman]

38. Obama comes out of it looking like a historic statesman ...

... and Hillary looks to be auditioning for an SNL sketch comedy gig.