Hillary has once again stooped to a new low and will be seen as the smaller person for it.

[jenmito]

After Obama gave that wonderful speech about race, after Hillary and her people said they wouldn't comment on the situation, and only after Obama started rising back in the polls, Hillary decided, once again, to change the rules by speaking out against Obama's relationship with Wright, who also was invited to her HUSBAND'S WH. She is clearly such a small, petty person and hopefully will be seen as just that. I see a backlash coming.

[TwilightGardener]

1. She didn't have the slightest shred of decency to leave it alone--

she could have, but she might get an extra poll point or two by keeping it going, and that's worth far more to her than anything in this world. She actually has less honor and decency than many Republicans. I don't even want her in the party, let alone the White House.

[jenmito]

8. I agree. It's clear she wants to try to win at any cost...

but I REALLY think this will boomerang on her. What a hypocrite.

[flpoljunkie]

78. She's apparently decided to throw black voters entirely under the bus. Decidedly dumb!

Does she think this will help her with white voters in Pennsylvania--since Obama is now closing in here, as well.

[krkaufman]

81. She obviously doesn't care.

She's already alienated the African American community to the point of losing the majority of their support late last year, and is down to 10-20% now. And I'm sure she figures that if she can knee-cap Obama and force him out, that the community will have nowhere to go in November but to her.

[caledesi]

22. Well said! nt

[Sensitivity]

29. GONE IS THE ILLUSION THAT THEY WERE NOT BEHIND PUSHING IT

As soon as it begins to die from lack of interest by the RW media, she comes out to stoke the fires
of prejudice, missunderstanding and hate.

[TwilightGardener]

32. Yep--she couldn't let Obama's beautiful and historic speech stand

as the last word. She's got to try to stop the healing, start the division, all over again.

[K Gardner]

45. If she gets any smaller, we'll have to start calling her..

Thumbelina..

When the story opens, a tiny girl emerges from a flower. She is named Thumbelina and is carried off by a toad. She escapes the toad and drifts on a lily pad until becoming the captive of a beetle. Eventually, she is given shelter by a field mouse who suggests she marry her neighbor, a mole. Thumbelina finds the prospect of being married to a mole unattractive and escapes the situation by fleeing to a far land with a swallow she nursed back to health during a severe winter. In a field of flowers, Thumbelina meets a fairy prince just her size and they wed. Thumbelina receives a pair of wings to accompany her husband on his travels from flower to flower.

[MonkeyFunk]

50. How DARE she run against him?!?!

The AUDACITY!

[TwilightGardener]

60. Please. For the good of the party, she could have been a big person

and just let it go (since it's pretty much over, and Obama handled it well), but she wanted to keep the story out there--and she's doing it for the same reason she sent Ferraro out as her race-card suicide bomber: make Obama the "black guy", stoke the racial fires, promote division, turn white folks off of him, make him look unpatriotic. That's pure Republican tactics, and why it doesn't disturb you, I'll never know. I suppose she also has to distract from Sniper-Gate, as well. If I was a wavering HRC supporter, Sniper-Gate would be my last straw--she just looks like a sociopathic liar now. She's doomed, with that one.

[MonkeyFunk]

67. There's where it breaks down

you guys automatically assume that's what's good for Obama is good for the party, and what's bad for Obama is bad for the party.

I don't see it that way.

[TwilightGardener]

75. Playing on racial tensions, saying that your rival does not have

what it takes to be CiC compared to McCain, attacking from the right on national security--all of this will serve to hurt her, and the party, even if she's the nominee. She has no chance of winning on experience against McCain, and that will be made apparent. She's decided to play on RW turf in the primaries against Obama, but now she's putting herself on McCain's turf for the general, too--that won't serve her well. You want to contrast with your opponent, not position yourself as a watered-down version. Hell, if I had to choose, the actual war hero would look pretty good next to the self-aggrandizing Sniper Liar. And pissing off or alienating a major voting bloc (blacks) is really bad for the party. Even if you think Obama's somehow not good for Democrats, you must concede that these tactics aren't a good idea either--Democrats should not have to move to the right and behave like Republicans to win the general election, and chances are, the voters will go with the REAL Republican anyway.

[krkaufman]

82. I would think that anybody still questioning Hillary's intentions in the 60 Minutes interview ...

... have had that cleared-up, as well.

[babylonsister]

2. As I just wrote, the high road wasn't leading where she needed to go

so she's trying the low road. So typically Clinton.

[jenmito]

12. Yup. Her indecency obviously has no bounds.

What a horrible person, let alone DEM., she is!

[TwilightGardener]

She got off the high road about 30 exits ago--back in December.

[babylonsister]

25. Yup, a detour, and we're all worse off for it. nt

[krkaufman]

83. I was thinking the morning after Iowa, after placing third in the caucus.

The negativity started spiking that week.

[knixphan]

64. fewer traffic lights on the low road, apparently

[beachmom]

3. And to a newspaper owned by the Clintons' "friend" Scaife

http://www.newsweek.com/id/69545

So Happy Together

Bill archenemy Richard Mellon Scaife now has 'admiration' for him. Huh?



Read the rest at the link, if you can stomach it.

[jenmito]

19. I could've sworn I read that article before...

I can't stomach the whole thing again. She AND Bill make me sick.

[roguevalley]

41. there's an article out there where he met clinton and was charmed

because bill authentically has a winning personality and a big brain. he also said he, himself, cheats like a warthog and he has that in common with bill. vanity fair? I think that is it. you should read it.

[panader0]

4. She is so low

she could play handball against a curb.

[blm]

5. I hope many now view what Gore and Kerry went through with a new appreciation for the undermining

and sabotage their campaigns were getting from TeamClinton.

Seeing it openly through Obama's campaign has been one hell of a wakeup call for many Dems.

[Dr Fate]

17. I think you have been right about all of that...

You have been saying this for a couple of years now- I think you were on to something.

[TwilightGardener]

20. It has been, for me. I only wish Gore would get a little revenge right now

and endorse Obama.

[blm]

28. Gore has to preserve a party elder status in case it gets even worse - I have no doubt

he and Kerry have had a number of indepth conversations over the last 6 years.

[leftynyc]

31. Al Gore is not a petty person

and I doubt he'll endorse anyone. I would like for him to try and talk her into walking away now - quietly and privately. He's the only one with the clout to do that.

[bling bling]

66. I know I gave you a hard time here over Clinton in the past.

You're right, it's been a wakeup call. I think I just had a tendency to defend Hillary as a knee-jerk reaction without even really letting the criticism sink in and think about it. The feminist in me wanted to stand up for her. Plus I have a tendency to stick up for Dem's who are being singled out and criticized. Devil's advocate in me.

But she deserved to be singled out and criticized, I just wasn't really listening. And you're right, this was a wakeup call. Your credibility has shot up a lot with me over all of this. I'm sorry I was so argumentative before about them. They didn't deserve it and I'm embarassed for putting my own credibility in question by defending them so staunchly.

[blm]

79. I did the same for years - then I read Bill's book and started putting it more together

and it was like a knife twisting in this Dem's heart. Knowing how HARD we all worked for 2000, 2002 and 2004........man....there should NEVER HAVE BEEN a Bush2.......PERIOD!

[loveangelc]

6. How does this help her? superdelegates won't be pleased...

[beachmom]

11. Question: are there enough uncommitted supers to get Obama to 2025?

If so, they need to save the Party, and all come out at once. And END THIS THING.

[TheDoorbellRang]

35. He needs about 200 more pledged delegates

and then the remaining super D's could put him over the top. I would think the overall strategy would be to have them trickle in one or two at a time between now and Oregon, so that the state primary win there would be perceived as putting him over the top, rather than via super D's.

[Megahurtz]

40. Unless they're just giving her enough rope

to hang herself.

[billybob537]

54. No really

Pull my finger.

[Bullet1987]

15. I don't think it does help her...see before when the Wright controversy

was swirling...she left it alone because she wasn't involved. Now people can attack her and her campaign for trying to make an issue out of it. When before people could only attack FOX News and pundits.

[democrattotheend]

74. It keeps Wright in the news another day instead of Snipergate

[billybob537]

7. Hillary Dear it's over.

Bow out gracefully, and be kindly remembered. Or keep piling on the lies and slime and become despised. You are slipping into desperation, end it while you still have a future

[billybob537]

52. Hillary to Bill

"Okay hun I think it's time for the EVIL FLYING MONKEY'S"

[billybob537]

53. Hillary to Bill

"Okay hun I think it's time for the EVIL FLYING MONKEY'S"

[DJ13]

9. Getting her to quit the race is no longer enough

We need her to resign her Senate seat and quit the party after the way she's run her campaign.

[leftynyc]

33. Why don't you let New Yorkers

decide who their senator will be?

[billybob537]

55. Yeah that worked

so well in Conn.

[leftynyc]

58. You're right

Let's just throw out elections all together so we can only get the people that agree with us. Fuck the rest of the 300,000,000 people in the country. I'm not happy and I'm going to hold my breath and turn blue until everyone agrees with me.

Let New Yorkers handle Hillary.

[Bullet1987]

10. This will hurt her in many peoples eyes...bank on it

Vote for her? I'd drink poison before I voted for a Clinton.

[grantcart]

13. reminds me of the joke by the politician who lost the election saying

"all of the little people supported me - but they couldn't reach the levers".

[MadBadger]

14. I believe you of course, but for me can you show me where she said she wouldnt comment?

I was away for that week.

[jenmito]

23. Sorry, I just kept seeing her surrogates saying they wouldn't comment on it, saying everyone

should stick to the issues.

[coalition_unwilling]

30. Oh come on - HilBillary was widely quoted as saying she hadn't

bothered to even listen to the speech. My own theory is that she knows she's not going to get the nomination in 2008, is trying to bloody up Obama for November so that she'll be waiting in the wings in 2012 after McSame defeats Obama in November. Totally unbelievably despicable. People like her and LieberBush need to be drummed out of the party.

[MadBadger]

34. Again I've been out of the country for the past week so I've missed most of the Wright stuff

[jenmito]

38. Well, now you know.

:)

[coalition_unwilling]

77. Sorry, didn't mean to come across as snarky as I did. I was really

angry that Hillary could not be bothered to even listen to the speech. Especially since I now suspect that when all is said and done, her campaign will be shown to have been instrumental in flogging the Wright story and videos to the various media outlets.

Don't believe me? Check out who the publisher is of the "Globe" and "National Enquirer." The real publisher, I mean. Turns out Roger Altman (the puppet master behind the holding company that controls the publisher of these tabloids) is a financial advisor to Hillary. And, wouldn't you know it, said tabloids have been running scabrous stories about Obama for the past 3 months. I know politics is a rough-and-tumble and often-dirty business but some of these stories (like Obama murdering his church's choir director or smoking crack with a gay prostitute) are way beyond the pale. Funny how Altman's ties to Hillary and his ties to these tabloids never gets mentioned in the MSM, isn't it?

[caledesi]

16. Pathetic! NT

[WDIM]

18. Come on give Hillary a break she is sleep deprived!

Even McCain and the Repugs stayed away from it. I guess they get enough sleep.

[jgraz]

21. We need to be calling our superdelegates

Even if they already support Obama, we need to ask them why they are letting him hang out there undefended. People need to be speaking out against this horseshit.

[TwilightGardener]

24. It's Wright Smear part 2--allow it to run its natural course, and then

comment on it when its impact starts to fade--she knows the media will now quote her and start discussing it all over again, rather than her sniper lie.

[jenmito]

26. Good point. But I think THIS time the MSM will focus on Hilllary's choice to start talking

about it.

[babylonsister]

27. I agree; why the silence from the Dems? nt

[Tatiana]

I have been calling the SD's. I am focusing on NY and TX right now. n/t

[Megahurtz]

36. She is beyond disgusting.

:nuke:

[jenmito]

42. And Obama's just the opposite. At this point, I think voters will be turned off by her,

and she'll fall even farther. There was another thread with a link showing her favorability in PA decreased while Obama's increased.

[Pisces]

37. She wants Obama to lose so that she can run in 2012. She is the Judas to the Dem Party

[cooolandrew]

39. Randi Rhodes "Obama's speeches will go down in history & HRC will go down as mocking those speeches"

[ellacott]

46. She's out this week

I would love to hear her perspective on all this.

[grantcart]

43. Is she aware that "The Daily Show" is still on the air?

[jenmito]

44. She's answering questions right now...

She said she was asked about it and she said what SHE would do (even though in the past couple weeks she refused to comment).

[meow mix]

47. K&R

[jenmito]

51. Thanks! She just got about 3 questions on the "sniper fire" account, and her reason is now

that she heard it was a dangerous place (paraphrase) and she just made a mistake. She was asked why she repeated the same "mistake" about a month ago, and she said she's human and makes mistakes, but the REAL point is she has experience going to all these places...

[Bensthename]

48. I think with the Sniper Gate going too. She is toast. She cant lie about being shot at.

[zulchzulu]

49. Hillary is "decency-deprived"

[Hepburn]

56. I used to just dislike her and figured if pushed I could hold my nose and....

vote for her.

Now after her dirty, lying, racist campaign? I fucking hate her and would not vote for her if she were the ONLY name on a ballot and the race was for dog catcher.

BTW: Hiya, Jen....:hi: Thanks for another great thread!

[jenmito]

61. Same here!

I feel the same way.

Hey, Hepburn! :hi: Thanks!

[babylonsister]

57. Did you see this? I can't post it, but anyone who wants to, please do...

She's gone way too far with this one. :grr:

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/hillary_finance_committee_memb.php

Hillary Finance Committee Member Compares Wright And David Duke, Says Obama "Used Race When It Suited Him"
By Greg Sargent - March 25, 2008, 2:37PM


The Wright Stuff is coming fast and furious from Hillary and her supporters.

First Hillary criticized Obama today for not sufficiently distancing himself from the controversial pastor.

I've now learned that a member of Hillary's finance committee and a longtime ally of the Clintons has made some very explicit statements about Barack Obama's ties to his controversial minister, Jeremiah Wright, saying that it's "legitimate" to raise questions about those ties, comparing Wright to David Duke, and claiming that Obama has "used race where it suited him."

The finance committee member, Niall O'Dowd, made the comments on Saturday in an unnoticed interview with RTE Radio in Ireland. The Wright issue has been raised by Hillary surrogates Lanny Davis and Joe Wilson, making O'Dowd the third Hillaryite (or fourth, if you include Hillary herself) to hit Obama over Wright.

The interview is worth a listen, because it's another example of supporters of the candidates (see Power, Samantha) getting themselves in potential trouble by saying things abroad in settings where more candor is possible, and indeed expected, than here in America...

The comments from O'Dowd -- who's long been close to both Clintons, having served as a key adviser on Irish affairs to Bill Clinton and hosting a big fundraiser for Hillary last year -- go farther on Wright than Hillary and her supporters have thus far.

O'Dowd said that the Wright comments raised "a legitimate question" and observed that "it's interesting that Barack Obama sat in the pews while all this was going on, and never once in any of his books or anything else" did he denounce Wright, adding: "He worshipped this man."

O'Dowd also compared Wright to Duke and inadvertently said that the Hillary campaign is actively making an issue of the Wright controversy, something the campaign (Hillary's comments today notwithstanding) has been careful to avoid doing. O'Dowd said:

"I think the issue that the Clinton campaign has seized on is that Barack Obama, you know, never once raised his voice to his pastor and said, `I think your language is quite extreme here, and I think you language is probably wrong.' Because let's turn this around. If this was David Duke and he was preaching on behalf of, and Hillary Clinton was in the pew, there would be outrage about this. And there can't be this double standard. Barack Obama has used race where it suited him, but when it doesn't suit him he backs away from it."

[jenmito]

59. Wow! So if Wright's like David Duke who thinks it's ok to KILL people, why did she allow Wright in

the WH???

[ClassWarrior]

63. Wright was one of the Clintons' spiritual advisors on their marriage, as a matter of fact.

NGU.

[jenmito]

68. Man-she has some nerve. I REALLY think this time it will backfire. n/t

[SoCalDem]

62. Count on her to always pull out that brown pacifier..

[knixphan]

65. I'm sure she's got one more 'low' left in her...

[DangerousRhythm]

76. Just one more?

That's generous and optimistic. I swear, I never actively despised the woman before the past few weeks. I could have voted for her if you asked me a couple of weeks ago. Now, if it's a choice between her and McCain, I'll feel absolutely FILTHY voting for her. It'll be a very hard thing for me to do and ONLY because I fear for the Supreme Court.

[Hamlette]

69. She won't stop either, even if she pulls out, she'll want McCain to win

hoping he'll serve only one term and she can run again in 2012.

What a bitch.

[stillcool]

70. she is playing with fire...

and she is going to get burned.

[Cha]

71. hilary's smallness knows no bounds..the incredibily

shrinking hilary..

[Vinca]

72. Her only chance of winning the nomination is to totally destroy

Obama's name and integrity and she won't stop at anything. It's pitiful she doesn't realize she's sinking her own ship if she does manage to make it to the general election. What a sad, pathetic individual.

[jenmito]

73. I agree. And although she says she was just answering a question, she refused to comment in the

past.

[Liberal Veteran]

80. You can take the trash out of the trailer....but you can't take the trailer out of the trash.

[chyjo]

84. if she got any smaller

We would not even be able to see her.

[stillrockin]

85. amen