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Tue Mar-25-08 01:51 PM
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When Is Hillary's Senate Seat up for Grabs.. or.. Tell Me How She Has a Future in the Party |
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There is no need for anyone to make a list of Hillary's Campaign Tactics. Everyone knows.. those inside the party know and are speaking out, all but those who are evidently beholden to stay loyal until the minute the gavel falls. What future does she have? Can anyone imagine her just calmly retaking her Senate seat as if she weren't a betrayer to every democratic ideal we have held in years past? To think she might be ANY part of an Obama Administration is ridiculous. I don't see a path to reclamation of her "good name".. if she ever had one. She has been exposed for exactly what she is, and to many, it comes as a surprise. To some, it is no surprise.
If there is a path, what is it?
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Tue Mar-25-08 01:52 PM
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1. She will keep doing things for NY |
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No one can touch her in NYS. Not even the Ghoul
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Tue Mar-25-08 01:54 PM
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4. Do you think anyone will try to run against her, based on how she's handled her campaign? |
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Tue Mar-25-08 01:59 PM
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13. FOr sure! Every avg Joe will feel confident in winning against her with all this laundry |
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Tue Mar-25-08 02:04 PM
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18. No one could beat her |
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Some GOP yokel will run a losing campaign against her. I can't think of a single person that could give her a run for her money.
Remember Alan Hevesi won NYS Comptroller while under indictment. Spitzer won with 70% of the vote.
The GOP has to be pretty liberal and well liked to win in NY.
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Tue Mar-25-08 07:35 PM
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31. No, but she might have an antiwar opponent |
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By 2012, no one will remember much about how she ran her 2008 campaign. It certainly won't be a big enough issue to spark a challenge to her.
She'll be re-elected with ease in 2012 unless we're still occupying Iraq and she's still going along with it. In that event, she's likely to face an antiwar challenger in the Democratic primary. Her 2006 primary opponent had no money and she succeeded in ignoring him. In 2012, look for a Lamont-like candidate: independently wealthy and with little or no previous political experience, but able to give Clinton a real race by appealing to Democrats fed up with the war.
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Tue Mar-25-08 01:52 PM
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Tue Mar-25-08 01:56 PM
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8. At which time, I imagine she'll be mounting her second Presidential bid, if she hasn't |
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been sufficiently maimed by this one.
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Tue Mar-25-08 01:52 PM
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Tue Mar-25-08 01:55 PM
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5. I hope she does reclaim her seat if she doesn't get the nom. |
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She's done a lot of good and when her votes weren't influenced by her political ambitions (Kyl/Lieberman, e.g.) she did pretty well.
I'd like to see her get the opportunity to be a real Democrat with no agenda - I think she'd be fine.
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Tue Mar-25-08 01:58 PM
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10. I like your hopeful attitude. I'd like to see her really take the opportunity |
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to "find herself" or her REAL voice. The potential is certainly there, if not marred by the thirst for power at any price. Thanks Gately !
:hi:
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Tue Mar-25-08 04:26 PM
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Hi! -- good to see you!! :hi:
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Tue Mar-25-08 01:55 PM
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For HER senate seat in 2012
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Tue Mar-25-08 01:58 PM
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12. Didn't he endorse her, tho? I doubt he'd run against her, if she tries to keep her seat. |
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Tue Mar-25-08 01:59 PM
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15. He's on her side. He will get the seat when she becomes pres in Jan. |
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Tue Mar-25-08 02:00 PM
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16. unfortunately for her |
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it won't be THIS coming January
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Tue Mar-25-08 01:56 PM
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7. She could join Lieberman's party! |
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Tue Mar-25-08 01:57 PM
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9. Only thing that could save her is to concede. I even heard one new yorker mention "recall". |
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Tue Mar-25-08 01:58 PM
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11. Senators can't be recalled |
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Tue Mar-25-08 01:59 PM
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14. Only governors? I guess I'm thinking about Arnold.. wasn't that a recall campaign that was |
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Tue Mar-25-08 02:01 PM
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17. Governor Gray Davis was recalled, yes |
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but states have their own constitutions. Senators serve under the United States constitution.
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Tue Mar-25-08 02:37 PM
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24. She can only be expelled by a 2/3 majority vote in the Senate. |
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Even if she lands in jail first.
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Tue Mar-25-08 02:08 PM
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20. On Nova m radio I heard of attempts to recall Senator McCain. They failed but tried. |
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Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 02:09 PM by barack the house
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Tue Mar-25-08 02:08 PM
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19. She probably doesn't. |
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The campaign to destroy Hillary Clinton has been a success. People can claim to be experts on the moral value of Hillary Clinton and never have to offer a single piece of evidence. Rage, outrage, and "gut" are all it takes.
There's only one problem: about half of the Democrats still don't believe that she eats babies and pulls the wings off of butterflies, and they've heard the whole thing time and time again.
Of course "(t)here is no need for anyone to make a list of Hillary's Campaign Tactics." Defamation works a lot better in an atmosphere of "everyone knows."
" ... a betrayer to every democratic ideal we have held in years past(.)" Uh, right. Again, no list is given, no evidence is offered -- just the libel.
What do YOU get out of adding your assent to this burlesque of Progressivism? The thrill of belonging to a mass movement? The catharsis of group rage? Is Hillary your sacrificial sin-container?
A lot of people are gloating about Hillary getting her "karma" for sins unspoken. If karma does exist, these people had better pray to Krishna or Buddha that it goes easy on them. The prohibition against bearing false witness exists in Hinduism and Buddhism as well as the Abrahamic religions.
--p!
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Tue Mar-25-08 02:14 PM
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Tue Mar-25-08 02:09 PM
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21. are you a NYer?....didn't think so. |
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Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 02:09 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
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Tue Mar-25-08 02:11 PM
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22. She has squandered every last scrap of legitimacy she ever had in our Party with her race-baiting |
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falsehoods, and smears. Period.
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Tue Mar-25-08 02:39 PM
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25. Hillary has worked hard and without remorse in dividing the Democratic Party |
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in her salt the earth quest to do or say anything to win the Democratic presidential nomination. I think she at one time had a future as a leader in the party, but I think that is long gone now. She will remain a senator from NY, though.
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Tue Mar-25-08 02:41 PM
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....oops, nope... she'll be too busy being Secretary of State
now THAT will be sweet
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Tue Mar-25-08 06:20 PM
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29. Oh yeah.. it certainly will ! |
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Tue Mar-25-08 02:44 PM
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27. On the upside, if she becomes President |
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New York can elect a Democrat to her Senate seat
Won't that be nice?
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