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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:39 PM
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I am no longer angry at Hillary Clinton...
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 02:44 PM by TwoSparkles
As an Obama supporter, I've experienced many emotions, when it comes to Hillary Clinton.

I was disappointed in the bizarre explanation she gave for her Iraq war vote. I was taken aback when she mocked
Obama supporters--but mainly I've felt anger at her outrageous and dirty campaigning, and at the manipulative
tactics of her campaign.

I'm finding myself no longer angry at Hillary Clinton.

Now, I'm just really embarrassed for her.

I'm watching her on CNN right now, and she's so haughty and so oblivious to how
audacious her behavior is. She waves off her over-the-top lies about Bosnia, as a "mistake",
while the video of what really happened--makes her look like a loon stuck in fantasy land.

This morning, she reminded all of us that the "pledged delegates"--can change their mind at any time.
Yesterday, her campaigned tried to make the ridiculous argument that she should be the nominee
because the states that she has won carry more electoral votes than the states Obama has won.

A day or two ago, she argued that she should be the nominee because she's won bigger states.

No. I'm no longer angry at Hillary Clinton. I truly pity her. She seems very oblivious--like a
drunken sorority girl---totally unaware that the party has ended and everyone has gone home--as
she dances around with a lampshade on her head screaming, "Look at me! Look at me!"

It's obvious that Hillary is ensconced in a parallel universe--where the popular vote doesn't
matter and the delegate count is irrelevant--but big states and the electoral college rule the day.

As each day progresses, she embarrasses herself by throwing out barbs, stone-faced attacks and ridiculous
arguments about why she's still in it--while remaining in denial about the simple fact---she can't win.

Someone who cares about Hillary needs to step in, get her a strong, black cup of coffee, tell her that last
call was hours ago---and then call her a cab back to Chappaqua, New York.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:42 PM
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1. Perhaps her powerful friends in "The Family" can help her.. oh, wait.. no..
:-)
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:45 PM
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2. Yep - can't see the forest for the trees. In fact, can't even see herself in the mirror. ...sad.
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 02:45 PM by RiverStone
Great post BTW.

K&R
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:45 PM
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3. Excellent post. She's rapidly descending to embarrassment. nt
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:45 PM
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4. Snipergate cost her PA. You just can't lie about being shot at.
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 02:45 PM by Bensthename
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MaraJade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 01:47 AM
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26. Are you Karnac the Magnificant?
Haven't seen him since Johnny Carson died. Great. Can you give me the
Powerball numbers for tomorrow?
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:46 PM
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5. I hear ya.
I've had my moments, but all in all, I chalk up her campaign as being led under colossally bad advisors (including Bill).
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:47 PM
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6. She seems to be in the race only to smear Obama. She's in it to spin it.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:47 PM
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7. I wish I could pity her
all day long, she has pissed me off more and more.

I will try to move to pity.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:48 PM
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8. I was thinking the same thing last night.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:48 PM
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9. Lucky for me I don't have to watch the
embarrassment that is hilary clinton. She sounds like she's talking directly to the money people whose spigot she can't afford to lose now.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:48 PM
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10. I'm not at that point yet. I'm still FURIOUS
Because every time I think she might be redeemable, she goes and does something more outrageous than the last time.
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:20 PM
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20. Hillary is just a good intelligent person who wanted to be president.
She knows about the scams.

She took a risky road, and that opened her chances.

Sometimes we need a younger person to lead.

:hug:
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:49 PM
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11. Please go back to being angry this is just
pathetic. Anger probably suits your better.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:51 PM
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Recommended. I'm over Hillary.
If this goes to June, so be it. At least we will have a guaranteed presence in all 50 states. This will bode well for the general election.

Meanwhile Hillary has pretty much trashed her career, her husband has tarnished his reputation, and you just know residents of NY are questioning whether they will continue to be represented by her. They both come across as crazy... crazy folks with a little intellect.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:51 PM
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12. dupe
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 02:51 PM by Tatiana
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:51 PM
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13. There could be
medication for this.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:56 PM
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14. "Haughty", now there's an adjective I hadn't thought of before that does describe Hillary.
Her early sense of entitlement that she deserved the nomination was distasteful. Her salt the earth, do anything to win the nomination is discouraging. Obama was right in describing the campaign like they are both trying out for quarterback on the same team. If you are trying to win the quarterback position on your team you do not break the leg or do what you can to get the leg broken of a player on your own team who is competing against you. Evidently, to Hillary, winning is everything and the only thing that matters. She lusts after winning the battle that will lose for her and the Democratic Party the war.
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Taxmyth Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:57 PM
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15. Obama supporter denial
Once again a posting about how Senator Clinton can't win the nomination which is so far from the truth that it continues to show just how deep the denial of Obama supporters goes. Two evenly matched candidates, NEITHER with a clear advantage to beat the Republican challenger. This is going to the Convention many weeks away and by the time it gets there, we will have a much clearer picture of who the nominee should be.

Fear of the unknown is not something that Senator Clinton and her supporters really worry about because, with her, there's just not that much that is unknown over the last 20 years.

But I could see why Senator Obama and his supporters could be afraid of what could pop up between now and convention time.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:08 PM
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18. Actually, there are a few things we didn't know about her.
First, the fact that she would lie about being shot at by snipers in Bosnia. So we know now that she can lie.

Second, we didn't know that she would scuttle her own party if she didn't get what she feels she is entitled to -- the nomination. So we know she would backstab her own party.

Third, we still don't know about her tax returns. I suppose that would come out in the general election that she won't get to run.

Fourth, there are some things we still don't know about Whitewater. I suppose that would also come out in the general election she won't get to run.

We could go on . . .
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:38 PM
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35. okay the first three I could grant you but everything possible to be known
about whitewater is known.

They lost money, time and energy on it.

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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:09 PM
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21. EXACTLY. After all, since the Pledged Delegates are Fair Game
it's still basically a tossup.
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Moh96 Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 03:28 AM
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33. we are not afraid of losing the nomination we are discussed of what your witch is doing to hurt the
party so she can make McCain win and have another run in 2012
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:01 PM
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16. "She seems very oblivious" That's what I have been seeing.
Actually I thought she seemed sincere, with the little girl. Today seems like a different story to her. The little girl today would be a photo op or some thing phoney where she isn't sincere about it. Bill Clinton has that (sincerity) you can see it in him, even if he is lying. I think that is why everyone ask if the Clintons (Bill) always lied.
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:05 PM
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17. sHillary is a Wellesley College girl
That school, and Smith College for Women in this state, were known for pumping out the debutante set, the "I'm better and more sophisticated than you" crowd.

Now almost 40 years later I can see what was meant by that identification tag. Hillary can lie with impunity about Tuzla, and it doesn't bother her a lick. Now, when she should be ashamed of herself and retreating from the public scene in embarrassment, she is still out there making a fool of herself.

She is not CINC material. She is a stuck up inexperienced fraud.
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MaraJade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 01:45 AM
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25. You're right. . .everyone knows that the CINC
must be a MAN. She DID go to a women's college, and that's a no-no. Most self-respecting
women never go to those. Real women only go to schools that ensure that they are "where the
boys are" so they get the "MRS degree." The fact that she went to a women's school
defintely disqualifies her. Besides the only real aspiration for a real woman is the "MRS."
Real women don't want to be CINC and any woman who does automatically thinks she's better than
any one else. Women who aren't content to look adoringly at their man are stuck up.

:eyes:

(sheesh! I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO tired of misogyny on this board)
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 03:14 PM
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19. There was an inaudible question in Clinton's teevee
appearance to which she answered, "No, no. I didn't say that. I was joking." Then something to the effect that people need to lighten up.

Did anyone hear what the question was?

Thanks.
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:55 PM
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22. If IIRC
it was in response to a statement that she made yesterday (paraphrasing), 'For the first time in 12 or so years I misspoke.' and the reporter asked her how she reconciles that with some of her previous statements(viewed by him to be similar to her latest "mis-statement")regarding the bosnia landing during this campaign
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:33 PM
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34. Thanks so much
for clearing that up for me.

Now it makes sense.

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MaraJade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 01:35 AM
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23. So by your calculations NO ONE voted for Hillary. . .
You did say that "everyone has gone home--as
she dances around with a lampshade on her head screaming, "Look at me! Look at me!"

That means that she never garnered any support at all, right? That no one was at
the "party" supporting her.

Or do you really mean to minimalize all of the people who voted for her. I think that's
exactly what you mean to do. That is exactly how Obama supporters feel. It is GUARANTEED
that if Obama wins the nomination, all of us Hillary supporters will be thown under the wheels
as the bus of "change" rolls away. This is exactly what you Obamaites think of Hillary supporters--
none of our concerns deserve even a second glance. That our support of her counted for exactly
nothing and means nothing.

I am finally GLAD to hear an Obama supporter admit to this. And, BTW, Good Luck without us in the
General Election. . .

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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:12 AM
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28. I don't know what you personally have said about Obama supporters, but

there has been no end to the sh#t we've received from Clinton supporters. No f---ing end. And your crew has been far more attacking of Obama supporters than you have of Obama himself. I reached a point of being thoroughly and permanently disgusted with your candidate. But I don't feel that about you.

It is beginning to feel like were coming to the end of this nightmare. I'll bet that until about a year ago you and I agreed about A LOT politically. There is very little divergence of basic progressive values across the entirety of Democratic Underground. Very little. This is sad.


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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:51 AM
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32. Ha.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 01:45 AM
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24. I am, but I really REALLY hate bald-faced liars.
That's just me. Personal reasons.

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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 01:48 AM
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27. I had the thought earlier today
that Hillary could be tagged as a LOT of things that wouldn't necessarily kill her in the GE:

Bitch, liar, drama queen, manipulative....

But the one thing that would just CRUCIFY her: laughingstock.

And she's rapidly going in that direction.

Which just makes Obama look more dignified. :D
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:13 AM
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29. "I'm human, which may surprise some people" Whaaa??? That's called unhinged.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:25 AM
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30. Your anger has turned into compassion.
Mine too! She is almost pitiful! :shrug:

K and R
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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 02:50 AM
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31. thanks for your concern..your pity is noted. Bye
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