First Lady flies into war zone to comfort and boost morale of the troops stationed there

[Taxmyth]

and 12 years later the best anyone can do to negate the tremendous and honorable achievement is to accuse her of "lieing" about it. War zone, combat ready troops, field hospitals - oh, no danger there.

If this is the best that the GOP, let alone Senator Obama and his supporters can come up with then Senator Hillary Clinton is a slam dunk for the General Election.

Say, when are we going to see a list of the cases that Senator Obama worked on for Tony Rezko? Did the amounts Mr. Rezko contributed to Senator Obama change again this week? Did he mis-speak or flat out lie about those amounts?

[AngryAmish]

1. She just likes to make shit up

Deal with it.

[Taxmyth]

13. Like Obama and the Rezko contributions?

Believe it or not, then First Lady flew into a war zone to provide comfort and boost the morale of the troops stationed there. Nothing made up about that, can't argue with those facts.

Why do those Rezko contribution numbers keep changing from Senator Obama? I guess we'll find out before the convention.

[roguevalley]

53. she lied. its on film. go to www.americablog.com and see for

yourself.

God, some of us with skin in that game are pissed and rightly so. She is using troops to score political points. Take your 167 posts back to freeperland. The video doesn't lie.

[Taxmyth]

85. Skin in the game

USAF - Veteran

Some of us with skin in that game understand that civilians don't see things the same way we did when deployed in a hostile fire zone. She went to visit the troops and brought them some entertainers. She SHOULD use that to score political points especially to those of us who actually care about US Troops stationed here and around the world.

[Alexander]

90. She shouldn't have lied. What she did was good enough without lying about it.

Too bad for you, she lied and got caught. You can't spin that away, much as you'd like to.

[Taxmyth]

93. Don't need to spin anything

She made a mistake in her recollection of an event that occurred 10 years + previously and corrected her mistake. The First Lady did fly into a war zone and did so to provide comfort and boost the morale of the troops stationed there. It was a dangerous mission for a civilian to undertake though there is no doubt security was tight and civilians do not see and hear the same things as active duty military do (or should) in a war zone.

[Alexander]

94. It's not a "war zone" when the president visits there two months earlier.

Secret Service does not allow the POTUS to enter dangerous areas.

So you think it was an honest mistake that she had no greeting ceremony, ducked and ran due to snipers and the plane had to take evasive action?

How do people make a "mistake" about all those facts in your world, without blatantly lying?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Taxmyth]

104. George Bush in Iraq - not a war zone?

There is no doubt in my mind that the airplane did some sort of manuevering to avoid sniper fire though this maneuvering was probably designed and not based on the then current situation on the ground. There is no doubt in my mind that while in the cockpit of the cargo plane and probably while on the helicopter that there was discussion of the dangers involved including possible sniper fire.

Where things are not so clear is if at ANY of the landing sites that day, evasive manuevers were employed by the people coming off the aircraft and, indeed, ceremonies or other greeting functions were curtailed or eliminated. Civilians see things differently than trained military personnel and consequently a civilian's memory of a trip such as this could include an element of danger that, in reality, wasn't there.

"war zone", "potential combat zone", "hostile fire region" were all descriptions used by mainstream publications to describe the trip at the time though there was mention of the hostilities having ended recently in this area.

There is a mistake in the headline of the post I am responding to here and it is pointed out by the title of this entry. The fact is that then First Lady Hillary Clinton visited troops stationed in a hostile region to show hers and the nations support for the work those troops were doing and to provide some comfort and a boost to morale. There is no doubt it was dangerous, especially for such a high profile civilian, and she is to be commended for her efforts.

[Alexander]

107. The place where Bush went is called the "Green Zone" for a reason.

This "war zone" as you call it, is surrounded by blast walls and barbed wire, and every checkpoint is heavily guarded by US forces. Bush has never ventured outside the Green Zone. Nice try.

"There is no doubt in my mind that the airplane did some sort of manuevering to avoid sniper fire though this maneuvering was probably designed and not based on the then current situation on the ground."

1. Sniper fire from rifles and regular guns cannot reasonably penetrate an airplane. You've been watching too many action movies.

2. Should I believe you over the YouTube video? Fat chance.

:rofl:

[Taxmyth]

111. so the "Green Zone" is completely safe?

and it's not part of a war zone? Damn, thanks for telling me that, I was completely under a mistaken impression. Here I thought that the "Green Zone" was a target for hostile forces because of what was located there and was also heavily fortified because it was in the middle of a war zone and also a high profile target.

And you say planned evasive manuevers are not necessary because sniper fire can't damage the aircraft? Wow, I didn't know that, thanks for setting me straight there.

Personally, I don't put a lot of faith into YouTube videos and I don't really see that changing based on anything written here, but that's me. You want to put your trust and base your arguments on what you see on YouTube, have at it. Peace.

[nadinbrzezinski]

124. That is why the POTUS has NOT GONE TO THE GREEN ZONE

now Chenney has been that nuts, under extreme security mind you

But Bush visits bases that have quite the security cordon, at night and NOT during the day

As to bullets penetrating the thin skin of aircraft... depends on the ammo, but regular sniper rounds will. In that you are right.

But see bellow... her story has completely changed from her memoirs... and the four star wasn't wearing any protective gear either

Either the Army are a bunch of incompetents, or the You Tube video tells the true story.

[roguevalley]

95. I asked my boy if he saw them and he said no. He was in the war

zone when she was there. Where he was, it was too dangerous to come to. He never saw entertainers. She should be ashamed of herself.

USAF is a good service. Her story was pretty nice without the shit. Too bad.

[nadinbrzezinski]

101. Been shot at too, not the same place, but lead mosquitoes are lead mosquitos

she was NOT shot at when she landed.

As a USAF VET you KNOW the SOP for when VIPs visit. If there was ONE shot, go back in plane and take off... YOU KNOW THAT. Doers the tape show that? Thank you.

Ah the spin... oh and before you say it... I am not an Obama Supporter, or a Clinton Supporter...

[Taxmyth]

106. No spin needed

No doubt if there was a single hostile sighting let alone a shot, that plane would have been back in the air immediately.

This was a civilian flying into a militarized area - this civilian's memories of the event are going to be different than anyone with military training. There is no doubt in my mind that there was a discussion with the First Lady in the cockpit on the cargo plane, and probably on the helicopter as well, of the dangers from snipers and the different actions that could be employed to avoid harm. No doubt in my mind about that at all and I can see a civilian walking away from this trip with THOSE experiences and words firmly embedded in their mind which is exactly what the fuss is all about.

There is a completely different mindset for those in the field and those who sleep in their own beds at night and this is where the confusion comes in.

[nadinbrzezinski]

123. Lead mosquitoes are very obvious when they happen

and this is a civilian flight? Didn't know C-130s flew into regular airports (Hickam Honolulu Airport excepted)

By the way... check the tape... if you pay attention you will even notice the four star behind her at the end of the tape.

So let me see

The wife of the President of the US... his daughter a couple entertainers, and a four star, who is NOT wearing any obvious protection, For pete's sake he is wearing a soft cap, with nice SHINY stars in a row. That is a SNIPER TARGET RICH Environment

NOBODY would have placed her in that situation if there was even an iota of a threat... let alone that four star, or her daughter or the entertainers. The PR nightmare is just that, a nightmare...

Yes, there is plenty of spin... and the story is very DIFFERENT from the one she described in her memoirs. Yep read them.

In my country, yes that reality based community which is looking and this and shaking heads. we call this resume padding... when we are feeling generous. We call it lying when we're not

And yes... I will call them as I see them... no preferred candidate here.

She lied, period. And all the spinning in the world ain't gonna help that. She needs to walk away from it, or stop spinning and try the very rovian tactic of well, they are doing it too.

[elixir]

58. And Obama likes to divert to race everytime he gets in hot water.

[leftofcool]

2. And how about Rashid Khalidi?

[kwenu]

87. Who?!

[Taxmyth]

112. Rashad Khalidi

Author of The Iron Cage: The Story of the Palestinian Struggle for Statehood and Resurrecting Empire: Western Footprints and America's Perilous Path in the Middle East.

Mr. Khalidi is very outspoken in his criticism of Israel and has been labeled a "terrorist" by some for his views.

Senator Obama served as a paid Director of the Woods Fund (more interesting information there). The Woods Fund made $75,000 in donations to a group co-founded by Mr. Khalidi and Mr. Khalidi has held at least one fund raiser for Senator Obama but before he became a US Senator.

[kwenu]

125. Were the criticisms of Israel any worse than those made by Jimmy Carter? What is the controversy?

How is he a terrorist?

[Connie_Corleone]

3. Don't blame us for Hillary LYING about what really happened.

A lie is a lie is a lie. There was NO reason for her to lie about her Bosnia trip, but she did it 4 times.

[Taxmyth]

15. Must be nice

to be perfect and to have never made a mistake in recalling an event exactly the way it happened over 10 years ago. Why does Senator Obama have such a tough time remembering how much Tony Rezko contributed to his campaigns?

[DerekJ]

29. What are you talking about...link please?

[leftynyc]

34. Here are two difference sources

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9049.html

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/432197,CST-NWS-obama18.article

[Taxmyth]

38. Thanks, and here's a post from yesterday with additional links

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5235510&mesg_id=5235510

[DerekJ]

I still don't see the lie, sorry ...

[DerekJ]

39. No lie ...

Still don't see the lie.
Show me the lie.

[leftynyc]

43. Let's see

Sen Obama has changed the amount donated 3 or 4 times. Some would say that was a lie. Some would say he misspoke.

[DerekJ]

47. Shoe me a credible source..

Back UP your allegations.
How much did he say he donated to his campaign, and for which one; the senate, or the presidential run. And then show me Obama changing his account on that

[leftynyc]

130. Did you even read the links?

Sorry for first posting this in the wrong place. But here's the answer to your question.


"Barack Obama on Friday acknowledged that he had substantially underrepresented the cash raised for his earlier campaigns by indicted businessman Antoin “Tony” Rezko. "

Days ago, Politico asked the campaign for a detailed list of the $157,835 in Rezko-linked contributions it said it had donated to charity.

The campaign attributed only $85,185 of that to a list of specific donations from Rezko and 16 associates, declining to attribute the rest because it told Politico it didn’t want to subject other contributors “to any suspicion of wrongdoing or embarrassment.”

From the Sun Times link

?During his 12 years in politics, Sen. Barack Obama has received nearly three times more campaign cash from indicted businessman Tony Rezko and his associates than he has publicly acknowledged, the Chicago Sun-Times has found.

Obama has collected at least $168,308 from Rezko and his circle. Obama also has taken in an unknown amount of money from people who attended fund-raising events hosted by Rezko since the mid-1990s.

Obama has collected at least $168,308 from Rezko and his circle. Obama also has taken in an unknown amount of money from people who attended fund-raising events hosted by Rezko since the mid-1990s.

But seven months ago, Obama told the Sun-Times his "best estimate" was that Rezko raised "between $50,000 and $60,000" during Obama's political career. "

[leftynyc]

126. Quoted from the politico link

"Barack Obama on Friday acknowledged that he had substantially underrepresented the cash raised for his earlier campaigns by indicted businessman Antoin “Tony” Rezko. "

Days ago, Politico asked the campaign for a detailed list of the $157,835 in Rezko-linked contributions it said it had donated to charity.

The campaign attributed only $85,185 of that to a list of specific donations from Rezko and 16 associates, declining to attribute the rest because it told Politico it didn’t want to subject other contributors “to any suspicion of wrongdoing or embarrassment.”

From the Sun Times link

?During his 12 years in politics, Sen. Barack Obama has received nearly three times more campaign cash from indicted businessman Tony Rezko and his associates than he has publicly acknowledged, the Chicago Sun-Times has found.

Obama has collected at least $168,308 from Rezko and his circle. Obama also has taken in an unknown amount of money from people who attended fund-raising events hosted by Rezko since the mid-1990s.

Obama has collected at least $168,308 from Rezko and his circle. Obama also has taken in an unknown amount of money from people who attended fund-raising events hosted by Rezko since the mid-1990s.

But seven months ago, Obama told the Sun-Times his "best estimate" was that Rezko raised "between $50,000 and $60,000" during Obama's political career. "

[Larry in KC]

40. How soon would YOU forget being shot at by snipers?

It seems she forgot about it instantly, then somehow "recovered" the memory several years later.

[WDIM]

74. Hillary did this to herself

She made the trip to Bosnia seem like this big dangerous journey that somehow makes her ready to lead the US military. Yet she was accompanied by Sin Bad Sheryl Crow and Her daughter Chelsea. Then she flat out lies multiple times saying they were under sniper fire and had to cancel the greeting ceremony and run to cars or whatever version she has that day. CBS has video of the greeting ceremony outside on the runway. So she is caught in a lie and she tries to excuse this lie with another lie saying she had sleep deprivation and misspoke. Everytime she told the story she had sleep deprivation and misspoke? Yeah right..... She was caught lying and instead of saying yeah I may have exaggerated a little or yeah I maybe got the facts mixed up. No, she says "I had sleep deprivation and I Misspoke"

She is trying to bamboozle us. We been hoodwinked. Run Amok. We been had.

:D

[Kool Kitty]

42. I think if my son and I were being shot at, I would remember.

I would bet that if there was actual sniper fire endangering the landing field, the First Lady and her young daughter would not have been allowed to land.

[bowens43]

4. She did lie about it.

Why do you defend the lie and the liar?

[thereismore]

5. Snipergate = Hillary's "experience" credentials are in the crapper. Next question. nt

[Taxmyth]

17. First Lady flies into a war zone to comfort and boost the morale of the troops stationed there

and this doesn't count for something? I guess with this same logic that the Obama financial management "experience" is also in the crapper because he lied about the amounts he received from the Rezko's.

[DerekJ]

30. You keep repeating the same shit over and over again. Where did he lie about what he got from Rezko?

Credible source please.

[Taxmyth]

44. Rezko contribution er, mistakes?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5235510&mesg_id=5235510

Links attached on that post

and also see Response #34 for additional links thanks to leftynyc.

[DerekJ]

48. You still didn't show me the lie.

[Taxmyth]

61. Oh so Obama mis-spoke about the amounts of the Rezko contributions?

Sure, that's it......the Presidential candidate Senator Obama merely mis-spoke when giving the press those amounts, 2 or 3 times now.

ROFLMAO

Lot's of time until the convention so let's do some digging on both candidates to see which one actually deserves the nomination.

[DerekJ]

78. So you have nothing ... I have one more thing to say to you

[Taxmyth]

96. Ignorance

Links were provided to where Senator Obama either lied or mis-spoke about the amounts of campaign contributions received from Rezko. These sources are reputable mainstream news organizations that have conducted interviews with Senator Obama and have pointed out the inconsistencies in what he said about the amounts of contributions from Rezko. Anyone can see this information and in fact, it's really common knowledge to anyone that spent anytime researching the candidates for this Primary season. Did Senator Obama lie or was he just mistaken in the amounts he provided to these news organizations? As of right now that could be only a question of semantics. Maybe he had a reason to lie about the amounts, maybe he was just mistaken and he corrected those mistakes later. We will find out before November, that's a guarantee.

[DerekJ]

32. On seocnd note, How da hell does that exenorate her from a hedious lie.

On a second note, How the hell does that exonerate her from a hideous lie?
You are living in a myth TaxMyth.

[Vinca]

6. Has Hillary ever considered screenwriting as a career?

It's a shame to let that imagination go to waste.

[DearAbby]

7. Sure, anyone could forget details

about something that never happened in the first place. :eyes:

[Taxmyth]

16. Wow

So the First Lady of the United States never flew into a war zone to provide comfort and boost the morale of the troops stationed there. I can't believe anyone would tell a lie that big.

Thanks for setting me straight on that one.

[WCGreen]

27. My god...

You sound like a broken record...

[WCGreen]

28. My god...

You sound like a broken record...

[DerekJ]

36. Wow,

DEFLECTION ...
We are talking about her lie. Not why she went there. She was there for political reasons, not out of her good hear, even if she was that kind of a first lady, that still does not diminish the lie.

[DearAbby]

60. dont forget the details

of running, heads ducked, under straffing sniper fire....Those little embellishments, to pad your "Experienced" file.


Are we going to hear embellished stories on how she provided confort to a soldier in a M*A*S*H unit...preforming open heart surgery, while at the same time calming the fears of those so far from home. What other details, that never happened, is she going to suddenly remember, to embellish her resume for the highest job in this country?

It's Over.

[Taxmyth]

62. First Lady flies into war zone to boost morale of the troops stationed there

That's the only fact of any import in this story. And the one people will ultimately remember.

Say, does Senator Obama plan on giving out the information about the cases he worked on with Tony Rezko? He promised that information quite a while back and still hasn't delivered. Wonder what facts we will remember about Senator Obama when we get all this information.

[DearAbby]

67. What about Rezko?

distracting me from your own post? (desparation tactic on your part ) She EMBELLISHED THE STORY...not once, not twice, not three times...BUT FOUR TIMES...she accidently forgot the details of what never happened FOUR FECKING TIMES??? She read it off a piece of paper, her memory that bad she adds details?

[Taxmyth]

71. Rezko contributions 3X as much as candidate Obama originally stated

Has changed the amounts 2 or 3 times during the last 2 years.......did he mis-speak or is he lieing?

When will he release that information about the work he did for Rezko?

First Lady went to Bosnia, a war zone, to support US Troops stationed there. Can't dispute that fact.

[Taxmyth]

63. First Lady flies into war zone to boost morale of the troops stationed there

That's the only fact of any import in this story. And the one people will ultimately remember.

Say, does Senator Obama plan on giving out the information about the cases he worked on with Tony Rezko? He promised that information quite a while back and still hasn't delivered. Wonder what facts we will remember about Senator Obama when we get all this information?

[tekisui]

8. A lie is a lie. No matter what good one has done. She got busted.

[redqueen]

9. Accuse? Sorry, but it's way beyond simple accusations now.

The film is out, and there was no ducking, no running, and no cancelled ceremony, or even a moved-indoors ceremony.

No one forced her to lie about the events... repeatedly.

[PoliticalAmazon]

10. Don't humiliate yourself. She LIED about being under sniper fire! It's an insult to soldiers...

including John McCain. What do you think would happen if she went up against McCain in the GE? They would annhilate her for this lie.

The idea that they would send the First Lady and their teenage daughter to a location where there was sniper fire is ludicrous to begin with.

Now her coverup is going to make it worse than the original lie.

She has to get out of the race now, before she destroys our chances in the GE.

[Taxmyth]

57. And once again

If this is the worst thing to come out about Senator Clinton then her running against Senator McCain is a slam dunk victory for her. It is pretty funny to see how far the GOP and Senatir Obama's campaign and supporters have to reach to get dirt on Senator Clinton. And this too cannot stick because there's nothing of substance.

First Lady flies into war zone to provide comfort and boost morale of troops. She makes stops by plane and helicopter to different areas in this war zone. If anyone thinks that sniper fire and precautions were never discussed then that really just shows how ignorant they are. Or they have an agenda.

Did she intertwine memories of that event 10+ years ago and that cause her faulty recollection? A couple of landings, war zone and her a civilian, lots of weaponry in plain view and being carried.

It was an admirable action for then First Lady Hillary Clinton to perform.

[sabra]

11. It's the exaggeration - the padding of the resume - that's the concern

like you said the trip itself was definitely an honorable achievement - she didn't need to make it more than it was.

[Taxmyth]

22. Possibility of sniper fire

It WAS an honorable acheivement and one that should not be diminished by a confusing recollection of the event 10+ years later. It was a war zone, it was dangerous, sniper fire was a possibility and if she wasn't warned about that then there was an Operations Officer there who didn't do his job properly. She landed a few different times that day to visit troops in different areas.

If there was the possibility of sniper fire and she had been warned about that during the travel to these stops then I'll give her the benefit of the doubt as to her recollection of that day 10+ years ago......but there is no way it could be considered a lie.

I said it before and I'll say it again, if this is the worst the GOP, let alone the Obama campaign and supporters, have on Senator Clinton then her election in the General Election is a slam dunk. Her life has been fairly well documented so there's really not much chance of an October surprise....not so with Senator Obama.

[northernsoul]

31. If it was that dangerous, why did she bring her daughter there?

You're mostly right about her life being well-documented - which is why she will be continually embarrassed when her manufactured tales are proven to be demonstrably false.

[DerekJ]

52. It WAS an honorable acheivement ?!!!

What achievement, what did she achieve by going there?..

"confusing recollection of the event 10+ years later."

You confuse a recollection if it happened somewhere else. Get a BRAIN!!

[Taxmyth]

66. First Lady flies into war zone to boost morale of the troops stationed there

That is quite an achievement.

Honorable, courageous in that she did this voluntarily.

And I have a brain, thank you - my own, that I feed information into and make decisions based on that information. I have this information and have digested it fully and reached a reasonable conclusion. There is still a lot of information needed on Senator Obama for this process to work successfully. Lot's of time between now and the convention so more information should be forthcoming.

[gcomeau]

12. Nobody would be criticising her on it at all...

...if she hadn't blatantly lied about what happened in the first place. Nobody here made her do that. And now instead of owning up to it she's falling back on "deny, deny, deny" and pretending like it was a verbal slip... how you commit a verbal slip that transforms "greeting by a little girl with a poem" into "ran to our vehicles with our heads down to avoid the snipers" escapes everyone however, as it should since it's a preposterous claim.

The main problem? She's treating us like she thinks we're morons. Nobody really likes that. Obama was her polar opposite when he had an issue, he treated us like he thought we had brains and maturity. I know which kind of leader I prefer.

[ellacott]

18. She also lied about this more than once

She knew she was padding her resume. Most people listening to her excuse also realize she was not sincere. This should be a lesson to her. The lie will overshadow all the good works that she did.

[TwilightGardener]

14. Snipers! Running for cover! Yeah, that's the ticket....

[LSK]

what about the 15 years of crap previous to this

That has already cemented so many hearts and minds against her?

:shrug:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

19. She flew in for a photo op in a secured place.

If what she did was so good, why the need for lying about it?

[Taxmyth]

33. I would hope it was secure

First Lady of the United States flying into a war zone, you KNOW the command on the ground had EVERYONE out searching the bushes. But it doesn't negate the fact that this was still a dangerous undertaking for a civilian, especially such a well know civilian. There are no lies about the First Lady flying into a war zone to give comfort and boost the morale of the troops stationed there. THAT is the experience she has.

A faulty recollection of the days events 10+ years later, especially when remembering which warnings were given at which stop, can be excused and does not constitute a lie. But people keep trying to discredit her and her actual achievements and like everything else thrown at her, this too can not stick. Now let's see what happens when the focus is on Senator Obama and his actual achievements and his recollection of those events vs. the facts.

[DerekJ]

54. Thats why she had her kid, and was met by another kid.

Too bloody dangerous, that the army are using kids on patrol
Fuck off

[PATRICK]

20. Other than keeping points

about how a heroically commendable First family visit to Bosnia shifted away from triumphant, healing photo op to the possible dangers that must have been on her mind and discussed with security details- before she landed at least- she mangled the transition. She bypassed the more accurate and complex nature of her visit for a perception shift and got caught tripping over the line midway.

So it's a broadly interpretive political gaffe under the microscope. The awkward thing is that total memoir style honesty about her entire experience as an active First Lady can be cherry picked any number of ways. She chooses, as every pol before her, to present one side of the resume- and color it for the audience. Tea parties and ribbon cutting would dilute and tire the story. The simple story and high road and color are all under various attack and scrutiny. Anyone would stumble, even if wrongfully accused.

The reactions are also typical on all sides. When this is over let us remember that she went with her daughter to America's front line in saving people's lives. We have tons of security to insure that would be cakewalk and that no one, American troops included, would be endangered. Otherwise she would be accused of reckless behavior, etc.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

21. all the news channels are giving her tons of free face time now ..she is one smart lady

now she can talk up Pastorgate.

[charlie]

23. Wouldn't be an issue

if she hadn't used it as a set piece for the Two-Fisted Badass in Chief, Tough as Big John, Unlike That Other Reedy Wimp persona she's trying to sell.

[Hieronymus]

24. She admitted she misspoke [lied].

[chelsea0011]

25. She could have just said she flew into Bosnia without the lies

[northernsoul]

26. If she would stuck to the facts, no problem

However, in her desperation, she manufactured a narrative that she knew was false in order to mis-lead her audience. That's the problem.

[anigbrowl]

35. This is ALL Hillary

She decided to make a speech at George Washington University, a home of foreign policy thinking, to lay out her views on foreign policy and the use of the military. She opened her speech - a speech, not a casual conversation - with the story of how she had been running from the plane with her head down etc.

Now, if she had just said she had been to Bosnia and talked about what she had learned there and why it was important, none of this would be happening. But she chose to open her speech by dramatising the situation, and her exaggeration has bitten her in the ass. She had already come in for some teasing on the subject after it emerged that she made the trip with Sinbad and Sheryl Crow, so the smart thing to do would have been to restrict her remarks to policy and what she observed in Bosnia, rather than playing up the personal heroism angle.

Why she made such a big deal out of the sniper fire, I don't know. but she oversold it and now people are calling her on it - most notably, people who were on the same trip.

[ecstatic]

37. Her mission was admirable. The additional lies were not

It tells a lot about her character.

[Barack_America]

41. Apparently she wasn't proud of what she did there.

Why else would she have felt the need to embellish her appearance?

[Catherina]

45. ROFL!

[NYCGirl]

46. Using that kind of logic, I fully expect Al Franken to run for the nomination next.

He's been in war zones many times.

[Johnny__Motown]

49. It is possible that Bill was just trying to get her out of the house.

[lebkuchen]

50. Why do troops need morale boosted if it's a "cake walk?"

just askin'

[JimGinPA]

51. Did You Mean That Photo Op With A USO Tour?

Avoiding sniper fire?


:rofl:

[beachmom]

55. Oh, pathetic. If Hillary had said, "I flew into a war zone to comfort and boost morale of troops"

then there would be no problem. But she LIED about sniper fire and ducking her head and having no ceremony on the tarmac, etc., etc.

You know I liked Hillary as First Lady. Too bad she has now f***ed that all up with her presidential campaign.

[BlueIdaho]

56. Ready on DAY ONE

to lie her ass off repeatedly just to make herself look better. Are we gonna give McCain a pass for "misspeaking" about Iran and Al Qaeda FOUR TIMES?

If it ain't the truth - its a lie brother a lie

[Taxmyth]

70. Like the amounts of the Rezko contributions?

Will a President Obama be facing questions about this and the work he did with and for Rezko on day 1?

[Milo_Bloom]

59. You are right... NO DANGER.

Why she felt the need to lie about it later is the baffling part.

[PetraPooh]

64. Your point is so valid, it was good enough without lying, so why did she lie?

[jgraz]

68. An excellent question

[Taxmyth]

77. What lies?

Her recollection of the events that occurred 10+ years ago were faulty. Sniper fire was undoubtedly discussed as well as the capabilities of the cargo plane she was travelling in. She was a civilian, a very important civilian and as a civilian was probably in awe of the weaponry and the dangers faced by the men and women she was going to visit. These thoughts as well as the repeated briefings before the trip and during the trip could lead to her recalling the events the way she did. Is it a lie? No.

The fact is, the First Lady of the United States flew into a war zone to provide comfort and boost the morale of the troops stationed there.

What she was told pre-flight and in-flight as well as on the ground coupled with a civilian being in a war zone and recognizing the dangers faced by the troops stationed there could have led her to recollect the event the way she did..... It's the event itself that is the news story that people will remember.

[gcomeau]

100. Please...

She was speaking very clearly, in prepared statements, about "certainly remembering" the event. She spoke about it in detail, and she was clearly just inventing those details out of thin air. "Faulty recollection" indeed... faulty recollection would be if she mixed up the name of the base she landed at, or messed up the date, or "oh, oops, the running with our heads down from the sniper fire was from that other trip I took, I must have got them mixed up".

This is none of those things. She's never been under sniper fire in her life, and that's not the kind of thing you make an "oopsie" about due to a memory lapse. And she wasn't under the mistaken impression at the time that she was under sniper fire, the video makes it quite clear she didn't have any concerns about any such things while she was casually strolling around the tarmac with a big smile on her face, in the open, and exchanging niceties with diplomats and little children.

There is no way to spin this as anything other than a fabrication.

[Taxmyth]

109. Thank You

This was a civilian entering an area under military control. A high profile civilian. No doubt there was discussions with this civilian of sniper fire and other harmful acts and evasive manuevers for harm reduction while on the cargo plane and probably on the helicopter as well. And if you don't do this sort of thing very often you will probably come away from the experience with a completely different memory than someone who does it on an almost daily basis. The danger will probably highlight the civilian's memory of the event as it did with Senator Clinton.

[gcomeau]

110. With respect...

I can think of no possible way any pre-visit briefing about the potential dangers of entering an area under military control, no matter how graphic, could cause anyone to come away from a casual stroll among foreign diplomats, with your teenage daughter at your side, with a big smile on your face, and listening to a poetry reading by an eight year old girl... with the lingering impression that you had run from the plane to a vehicle convoy with your heads down avoiding sniper fire while the greeting ceremony had to be called off.

And I somehow doubt you can really think of any way that happens either, barring suggesting some kind of mental incapacitation which makes her prone to suggestion-induced hallucinations, which wouldn't exactly be a step up when making an argument for the next president of the nation.

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[Taxmyth]

116. Possible and probable

She spoke about the event based on her memories of what had occurred that day. The danger of the mission she voluntarily undertook as a civilian was obviously the most enduring memory she had of that day. When confronted with video taken of this trip showing her smiling and listening to poetry of an eight year old girl, additional memories of that experience occurred.

Her initial memories of the experience is what she originally spoke about - the danger involved, harm and harm reduction techniques employed by the trained military staff involved.

Here is the bottom line - I'm going to assume you are a reasonable person because you have given me no reason not to think so. You are going to have to assume that I am a reasonable person.

We are both assigned to a jury to hear this case in court - We've both seen and heard the evidence offered, I have given my verdict and you have given yours. This case gets sent back to the Prosecutor because of the hung jury and the Prosecutor decides whether to drop it or expects new evidence to support a prosecution.

Until there is additional, substantive evidence that Senator Clinton LIED as opposed to having a faulty recollection of an event 10+ years then this case isn't going anywhere but into the circular file.

[PetraPooh]

105. Your explanation, even if I believed it, gives me no confidence in her ability to lead the nation.

[Catherina]

118. "Faulty"

:rofl:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

65. Let's see, First lady. Pilot drops her in a zone being hit by sniper fire. ????

Then as she's running for her life, she stops to accept flowers from a bystander.

Reminds me of the time I was attacked by a pack of grizzlies on my way to the opening of my play on Broadway and had to duck into a telephone booth with Princess Di and then flew to Paris for the honeymoon...

Well, maybe it wasn't quite like that..I was kinda sleepy that day.

[sniffa]

69. Quick, someone update THE LIST

[Taxmyth]

82. Obama fans gaming the boards?

Is this the proof needed to show that supporters of Senator Obama are openly gaming message boards? I would hope moderators and management alike would recognize how dangerous this could be if they are concerned about the integrity of their forums.

[GoneOffShore]

72. You were going to make my Ignore list, but

You're just too damned entertaining.

:wtf::

[Mooney]

73. Obama didn't come up with it. HRC decided to lie about it all by herself.

I would think even the most shameless sycophant would have a hard time defending her on this one, but of course, I would be wrong.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

75. I can't hear you. It's the SNIPER FIRE. I have to duck. I'm not making it up.

[whatchamacallit]

76. It WOULD have been commendable, too bad she fucked up a good deed by lying about it

:nopity:

[Lerkfish]

79. I find your handle...ironic ... for a clinton supporter.

:)

[rucky]

80. Cheryl Crow for President!

[Lerkfish]

81. oh, hey! I"m down with Cheryl Crow.

[Taxmyth]

83. Cheryl Crow - Patriot

Sinbad also......got to give them credit for undertaking this mission also. Providing moral support and entertainment to US Troops stationed in hostile areas is dangerous and ANYONE who voluntarily does this is a hero in my book.

[rucky]

84. It's settled: Crow/Sinbad

[Taxmyth]

86. Does Lance get a cabinet post?

Or haven't they mended fences yet?

[kwenu]

88. How quickly the tables turn!

[VinnieF]

89. Well, yet another idiotic Hillarhoid to ignore...

Are you really that dense? Yeah, yeah you are.

:eyes:

[Taxmyth]

97. Ignore = path to ignorance

I try not to put people on ignore because I firmly believe the above line. Even when there are view points I disagree with, it is important to me to digest that information to make an informed decision. I take pains not to use terms that are disparaging to either Democratic candidate and their supporters though I am guilty of referring to Senator Obama as "Barry" and that's not something I will change as I don't believe it to be offensive.

So I will endure the personal attacks such as the one above, recognizing it as immaturity, at best. My 3 young sons have gone through similar phases in the past and I've explained the need to listen to others viewpoints to them, and also explained the importance of hearing those views and trying to understand them and incorporate them, or reject them, into their own views and be able to explain why. I haven't seen my boys stick their fingers in their ears and go "I CAN'T HEAR YOU, I CAN'T HEAR YOU, YOU'RE AN IDIOT" in quite sometime and that little fact gives me hope about their futures and the future of America.

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[cemaphonic]

91. Wait, war zone?

The area was still militarized, but the war ended 3 months before her visit.

[ShortnFiery]

129. OMG! She even lied about THAT? Militarized NOT War Zone!?!

"The area was still militarized, but the war ended 3 months before her visit."

[AllentownJake]

92. She didn't beat the right wing attack machine

She survived wounded the right wing attack machine with a high disapproval rating and cherry picked a senate seat to run in one of the most democratic states in the union. She hasn't released her tax returns or her husband's Presidential Library donor list yet.
The pardons involving her brother and the entire Mark Rich affair. The contributions going to her husband's Presidential Library from the mideast that we already know about. If you think the Obama supporters are nasty you have no clue what your in for.
I'll vote for her as the lesser of two evils but slam dunk is a stretch.

[Hieronymus]

98. And she lied about the circumstances. She admitted it.

[TK421]

99. oh, don't dare bring up that last point..it will most likely be to LET IT SINK

oh shit....did I say that? Must have been programmed into my psyche

[bklyncowgirl]

102. Nothing wrong with that but when she lies and pretends she and Chelsea were being shot at

Sorry but that's just plain wrong.

[IndianaGreen]

103. Hillary is a lying sack of shit and she insulted the troops

by saying she was under fire.

[Forkboy]

108. I clicked on this thinking it was satire...and after reading it I'm still not sure.

[Catherina]

119. No the OP is dead serious. Called me a freeper twice

:rofl:

[ORDem]

114. Are you really serious? Hillary brought this on herself. She was front and center THREE Friggin'

times with that bogus story trying to make herself look tough and experienced. It was all a crock. Or, haven't you seen the videos from that trip, all the videos? Man, you are so deluded. Why was Sinbad on the trip if it was so friggin' dangerous, and Chelsea? Buy a clue, please.

:dem:

[anonymous171]

117. Sinbad was trained by the CIA prior to the trip to defend the First Lady.

[ShortnFiery]

128. Oh that's just plain bizarro! Was he told to use the 8 year old and Chelsea as shields ...

if things "got hot" on that dangerous tarmac in Tusla? :crazy:

[Armstead]

120. You're right. That's why her lie was so STUPID

And that's why it is biting her in the butt.

The Clintons have a distressing tendency to self-destructively lie for the sake of lying.

[stevenleser]

121. That spin is Hillarious. She is accused of lying about it because she did lie.

The question you should be asking is, if her achievement with the Bosnia trip was so great, why lie about it to make it seem more grandiose?

[theredpen]

122. Well, she should be ashamed for using the trip to invent "experience"

[ShortnFiery]

127. Way back in the 1980s when I was in the AD Army, we (the vast majority of troops) did NOT get BOOST

from Senators, First Ladies or any other of those type dignitaries. Why? Our commanders would make us "go insane" cleaning and getting everything pretty for these people.

Tell me, how does The First Lady's visit boost morale when a soldier is "sleep deprived" from pulling extra duty to prepare for her visit? :eyes:

I'd suggest that the presence of a comedian or famous actors of both genders (George Clooney and Julia Roberts) would do far MORE young soldiers' MORALE.