John Kerry misspoke

[DefenseLawyer]

when he tried to tell a joke about President Bush. "If you don't study you may end up getting the country stuck in Iraq." That was what he meant so say, but he misspoke. Luckily Hillary Clinton could sympathize with him, being an expert on misspeaking and all, and came quickly to his defense.

On edit: for the ironically challenged- Hillary Clinton did not come to John Kerry's defense, quickly or otherwise. Also, in messing up a joke, one can misspeak. In making up a story about being shot at, one cannot.

[ShortnFiery]

1. oh snap

To model Dean Wormer's logic, "Being Self-Righteous and Smarmy is no way to run a successful campaign" ... in 2008 (this ain't the 1990s lady).

[ClassWarrior]

2. Yes, and he misspoke four times, as the transcript of his speeches show, right?

:rofl:

NGU.

[thevoiceofreason]

3. And he didn't do it four times

[thoughtcrime1984]

4. She didn't misspeak, she flat out told a LIE

Big difference. Kerry and Hillary = no comparison.

[mathewsleep]

18. i wish i could recommend this response.

[stillcool]

37. here you go...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

[JerseygirlCT]

21. Yes, we're talking about a written speech - not comments made

off the cuff - or not said as written.

And this story has been one she's repeated many times.

I don't think this can be easily dismissed as "misspeaking". She fudged the story. She elaborated for effect. She made a stupid mistake and hoped no one would catch her. This reminds me more of Gary Hart daring the press corps to find out about his affair...

[ProSense]

5. Kerry's prepared remarks supported his intent, and it was clear. Hillary stabbed him in the back

Video: Hillary Clinton Joins In

Hillary has lied about everything. That's not misspeaking!



Edited to remove comment. Misinterpreted the OP.

[DefenseLawyer]

9. Duh

I was being facetious. Sorry to confuse you.

[ProSense]

12. Sorry, I missed the last part of your comment . n/t

[grantcart]

15. well when you mimic Clinton spin people cannot tell anymore lol

[beachmom]

11. Um, I think the OP is using the Kerry example to show the absurdity

of Hillary saying she only "misspoke".

[elixir]

6. Oh my gosh, that was so clever. How long did you think to get that one?

[TahitiNut]

34. Yet another playground taunt from the emotional adolescents?

:puke:

[Alexander]

42. Be gentle. They're still mad their "boycott" lasted all of one night.

[stillcool]

45. I forgot about that...

isn't it supposed to be a week-long event?

[TheWraith]

7. Kerry mis-spoke. Clinton lied. nt

[cottonseed]

8. Hillary basically attacked him. During the presidential campaign!

*snip*

Kerry's apology comes just as Hillary Clinton -- who risks absolutely nothing by staying out of the fray -- declares that his original comments were "inappropriate." That's a fair statement to make only if Clinton believes, as Republicans claim, that Kerry was maligning the troops rather than their commander in chief. Does she really think that? And if she doesn't, what possible reason does she have for helping the GOP extend this story for a few more hours?

*snip*

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2006/11/01/kerry3/

[karynnj]

29. Exactly - and that is why I am not alone in finding that a defining moment for HRC

To top it off, Kerry had already released the prepared text - that had been in a handout to the press BEFORE the speech was even given. HRC knew exactly what was intended and knew Kerry had worked for veterans and troops for decades.

In fact, Kerry's error is explainable by exhaustion - all he did was skip a two letter word when he lost his place. It was predictable that the RW would hit him. That likely would have happened regardless as they were getting madder at his attacks on the Bush Iraq policy. He was the main person out there speaking to change the policy - to what is now pretty much the entire party's position. They likely would have twisted one of the many, many comments made. Leaving out that one word meant that they could also attack a genuine Kerry asset - that he was a very serious, classy leader.

Leave it to HRC to kick him when he was down - nice repayment for the decorated war hero's defense of Bill Clinton's patriotism when he needed it. My guess is that few veterans think either Clinton cares for them as much as Kerry does.

Link to Kerry's beautiful speech defending Bill;
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5197294

[TahitiNut]

38. Hillary had her eye on 2008 and a Kerry win in 2004 would have interfered with her plans.

I thought that was very plain. :shrug: Her "scorched earth" strategy isn't new.

Hillary: "Cut it in half, King Solomon! Cut it in half!"

[Cha]

10. Snap! is right! She quickly rushed to the cameras and

said it was "Inappropriate". Now, I know hilary has no class and the Democratic Leaders do but wouldn't it be nice if they came out and gave statements to the effect that hilary's "misspoke" was the very least Inappropriate? And the worst was a stupid lie that is insulting to our troops.

[Coexist]

19. correct. I had forgotten about that.

[blm]

56. That's when I started calling her Tonya Harding. McAuliffe-Schumer-Carville are her Giloolys.

.

[TwilightGardener]

13. I used to say she wasn't evil, until today. Now I'll say it--she's fucking evil.

[JoFerret]

63. Lie

.

[no_hypocrisy]

14. Gotta say this. "Misspeaking" is kind of ironic for someone who had three years of law school.

From the first time a professor calls on you to give the facts of a case, or worse, to explain it, a law student is always on the hot seat and in public display of his/her peers. Even if you are prepared, the professor will inevitably try to make you state something incorrect, inconsistent, or uncertain. You learn this credo from Day One: either you know or you don't. No guessing. No BS.

And this acute awareness of your words, more than the generic "think before you speak" adage, carries into everything you'll ever say again.

It's irrelevent whether I'm going to or not going to vote for Hillary Clinton. The standard is the same both her or Barrack Obama. They have been trained to be careful orators, each word is measured. To give her a free pass on "misspeaking" is like giving Martha Stewart a free pass on selling her stock on insider information when she had been a certified stock broker for several years.

[fedupinBushcountry]

16. John Kerry BOTCHED a joke

he did not lie and he went after the repubs. Hillary joined Bush in making it an issue. She threw him under the bus because she wanted him not to be in her way when she ran for president, nothing gets in her way she will say and do anything include lie and mis-characterizing good Dems for POWER.

She lied and she did it more then once on the same subject. On Feb 28th she http://www.jedreport.com/2008/03/here-comes-roun.html">LIED in Texas she continued that lie in Pennsylvania and who knows how many more times she has lied on the subject.

John Kerry did not lie and when Cheney went after Hillary for her statements about the Pentagon it was John Kerry standing next to her and calling Cheney out, he doesn't stab Dems in the back just for ego and power.

Sorry but now that Hillary has brought back the race baiting into her campaign I am no longer going to hold back on how much she is destroying what we have left of the Dem party. She needs to get out and get out now. She should be ashamed.

PS: that is not what he meant to say either, he left out a word "us", if you are going to quote something at least look it up and get it right.

[beachmom]

20. Well said, Fedup. You know, all we need are those damned uncommitted supers

to come out all at once, and get Obama to 2024. As soon as he hits that magic number, this race is OVER.

[DefenseLawyer]

23. Obviously, I need to type SLOWER

Damn. Hillary Clinton did not come to John Kerry's defense. I assumed everyone would realize that and see that my post was facetious. She blasted him, on what was truly "misspeaking", as opposed to making up a whole story about being shot at, which even by the most generous of definitions can't be called "misspeaking" to begin with.

[fedupinBushcountry]

24. Thank you

for noting your error. I have had just about enough of the Clintons and their camp and they need to be stopped, NOW.

[DefenseLawyer]

27. My error?

My only error was not taking into account how literal some of you would take what is obviously meant to be pointing out the absurd.

[fedupinBushcountry]

33. Excuse me

You don't just throw crap like that out there and expect everyone to get what you are saying. Duh, sorry I am not up to your standards, at least I said sorry.

[Life Long Dem]

17. Ohhh yeah.. I forgot about that. The difference in treatment by MSM

is obvious. But Hillary said the same comments several times. No misspeaking there. And beside they purposely spun it's meaning.

[uponit7771]

22. I was JUST asking myself if she did anything to undermine Kerry and my question has been answered

[karynnj]

30. Not to mention that when for better reasons than anger over this, he endorsed Obama

BC whined about all he did for him.

[mudesi]

25. VIDEO

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x70721

[mudesi]

31. kick (nm)

[mudesi]

32. .

[Coexist]

52. holy crap. Did she ever call him to apologize?

[karynnj]

57. If so both kept it quiet

When the RW came after her because she demanded an exit plan be prepared - he was the first one out with a statement defending her and agreeing that it was needed. They are both in the Senate - so I assume that they act cordially. Afterwards, when the new Congress met - she and allies like Schumer were pretty condescending to him.

Bill Clinton whined to the press - pretty much calling Kerry an ingrate for not endorsing her.

[mudesi]

26. KICK AND RECOMMEND THIS EVERYBODY (nm)

[zulchzulu]

28. That wonderful moment where Hillary showed us purity and love of country...

...or um...

:puke:

[stillcool]

35. here's Hillary's take on John Kerry 2004

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

[mudesi]

39. Kick (nm)

[Firespirit]

36. K&R

Incidentally, I got your point before I read your second paragraph... c'mon fellow Kerry supporters, lighten up. Real Hillaryites don't even bring up this sorry incident, let alone defend it, let alone tell a bald faced and easily refuted lie to defend it. :)

[karynnj]

40. I don't blame the Clinton supporters - especially those who took what happened fairly,

this has nothing to do with the supporters - just HRC herself.

She attacked pretty viciously over an innocent misspeak. Now, some of us are kind of unsympathetic when she is caught impersonating Walter Mitty. (Kerry, by the way, actually has faced sniper fire - as neither Clinton ever did.)

[Firespirit]

41. Um, yeah, I used to post in the forum...

before I lost my star. I've worked for him. I'm just saying, upthread it looks like Kerry supporters have no sense of humor and can't tell heavy sarcasm from Hillarybot spin. I know that's not the case in reality, that's all. This horrible primary is getting to everyone.

[politicasista]

47. It really is

:hi:

[karynnj]

55. Hi Firesprint, I remember you!

We are not without humor. I saw that the comment was total sarcasm directed at HRC. We do however see the irony in HRC asking people believe and excuse outrageous comments as "made because of sleep deprivation". It is interesting that this is one of many times when she has with sarcasm and eye rolling condemned other Democrats when they fail to meet a standard that she does not hold herself too.

I agree that this primary is getting worse and worse - and I think it absolutely disgusting and most of the nastiness is coming from HRC. I may be biased, but there is a huge difference in that the Clinton attacks are coming directly form the Clintons themselves. At this point, 2004, with all the black cloud that was Bush and Cheney, on the Kerry's side looks clean, uplifting and hopeful.

[Life Long Dem]

43. Actually he didn't mispeak, but was taking the wrong way. He was

Insulting Bush, and Bush spun it to look as if he was insulting the troops.

[stillcool]

44. here's a replay...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

[Life Long Dem]

46. See how upset Bush was. Whooo!

That looks like he new it was an insult to him.

[DefenseLawyer]

48. He misspoke

His prepared remarks showed that he intended to say "Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq." Meaning the president as an idiot who got the country stuck in Iraq. Instead he said "You know education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." He misspoke, in the sense that he didn't say exactly what he had intended to say. He flubbed the line. He referred to it as a botched joke and a "verbal slip" (which is of course what misspeaking is, as opposed to making up a story about being shot at).

[Life Long Dem]

49. oh yeah, he left the "us" word out. But the meaning was always there.

The meaning couldn't have been misunderstood with Hillary's statement. And on Feb 29th at Waco TX. She misspoke again?

[DefenseLawyer]

50. Anyone who thinks Hillary misspoke about Bosnia is an idiot

I give up. I shall never try to be pithy again.

[Life Long Dem]

54. I agree. Maybe Hilary suporters started that.

She said the same thing in Texas on Feb 29th. How does that make it misspeaking? That's lying, and noting else.

edit: there is no least of what she said.

[JBoy]

51. This is a great comparison. Kerry mispoke, once. Clinton lied, four times.

[LittleClarkie]

53. To fuck up one word that changes the meaning is to misspeak

to fuck up an entire story, repeatedly, is not a misspeak.

And indeed, oh, the irony. Threw Kerry under the bus she did. That's one of the reasons I've not been more favorable towards her.

[TheDonkey]

58. ding ding ding. She had recalled her harrowing adventure multiple times and Sinbad called her out

on it weeks ago.

[Unbowed]

59. There is a difference between a misspeak and imaginary bullets.

That's what's so blatant about this...you don't misspeak about being shot at. If she wasn't lying, she's seriously unstable. She remembers dodging sniper fire for Pete's sake! That's not a misspeak, that's a HALLUCINATION!

Let's hope she was only fabricating.

[DefenseLawyer]

60. It would appear today

that the media is buying it though. It just amazes me that anyone can get out of repeatedly telling a lie by just saying "I misspoke". But it looks like that's gonna fly.

[Unbowed]

62. It's crazy. I'd give her a pass on a misspeak but this was bullets we're talking about here.

How can anyone misspeak about coming under sniper fire? It's insane.

We have members of the media who have been under fire. I wonder how those individuals feel about her embellishment?

[Starbucks Anarchist]

61. He omitted a word or two -- she made up a major part of a story.