The Republicans Desperately Need Hillary To Win The Nomination

[Yavin4]

According to CBS News, several state Republican party coffers are barren. In fact, some of them are completely bankrupt. What better way to refill their accounts than to have Hillary Clinton be the nominee. No new research will be needed. They can just gear up the old solicitation and watch the donations pour into their pots.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/24/politics/politico/main3961610.shtml

[LWolf]

1. That must be why so many of them are crossing over

to vote for Obama in the primaries. :sarcasm:

You can't have it both ways. Are you reaching across the aisle to sing "kumbaya" with them and make them happy, or are they the enemy?

Make up your mind.

Frankly, the republicans come out just fine no matter WHO wins the democratic nomination or the GE at this point.

[ClassWarrior]

4. Do you understand the difference between a party organization and individual voters?

:eyes:

NGU.

[LWolf]

9. Yes.

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

That looks like my middle school students when we talk about anything outside their personal social issues.


I understand that individual voters are responsible for party leadership and party policies. Their votes hold the party accountable.

I also understand that republican voters, and the republican party, will get a pretty conservative president no matter who wins the upcoming nomination or the GE.

[redqueen]

5. Not all crossover votes are equal.

No republicans begged for their electorate to vote for Obama. Obama reached out to them sincerely.

Someone posted a graph recently which showed that Hillary's republican support went sharply up after McCain became the nominee. I doubt that's a coincidence.

[LWolf]

10. Of course not.

When a crossover vote benefits the candidate of YOUR choice, it's "reaching across the aisle." "Building bridges." All of that great sounding rhetoric.

When a crossover vote benefits a candidate you oppose, it's a republican dirty trick.

:sarcasm:

[redqueen]

11. Not my opinion, LWolf... demonstratable fact.

I notice you didn't provide any examples of RW hatemongers asking their listeners to vote for Obama.

Care to actually discuss the issue, or would you rather continue making snarky comments? If it's the latter I can certainly oblige. I don't think you really want to do that, though.

[LWolf]

12. I can't provide any examples of RW hatemongers

asking their listeners to vote for Obama. I NEVER LISTEN TO THEM.

I don't think I indicated anything about RW hatemongers, either. I believe the topic under discussion is that "Republicans need Hillary to win the nomination."

It was suggested that I don't know the difference between the party and the voters, inferring that the OP meant "the republican party" rather than "republicans."

I think that the party reflects the voters. They, after all, vote in the party leaders.

I don't think that "republicans need hillary to win the nomination." I don't think it matters. I don't think it matters who the next president is: Obama, Clinton, or McCain. I think any of them will help keep the republican agenda on the table.

That's based on the candidates' positions on issues. They are all quite corporate-friendly, and a couple of them are also quite friendly to religious politics, as well.

[redqueen]

13. I don't listen to them either. What they do makes news.

As for the topic, I know what it is. I also know that in your reply to the OP you attempted to characterize conservative Obama voters as saboteurs. I was attempting to discuss your views on that with you. I see now that that was a silly thing to attempt.

Remember how Kucinich would do the same thing? He'd talk about conservatives and how we had to change the way we communicated in order to build a coalition for a better America? It's been really eye-opening seeing that part of his campaign implemented, and seeing the reaction from so many to that process.

[LWolf]

15. No.

I did not attempt to characterize conservative Obama voters as saboteurs.

I'm characterizing Obama as conservative, thus drawing conservative voters. Based on, in part, these positions:

He's a hawk who wants to continue the war on terror. He leaves unilateral military action in other nations "on the table."

He leaves private insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies a hefty place at the table for health care policy.

He thinks merit pay is a good thing for teachers, and is interested in further privatizing public education; both right-wing positions.

He approves of faith based politics.

He will leave NAFTA/CAFTA in place.

That's enough, from where I stand, to categorize him as "conservative."

I'm surprised that I have to point out the difference between DK and Obama. DK will work with anyone to achieve a goal. His goals, though, are not conservative. He also walks his talk. He doesn't depend on speeches to gain support, and then act differently.

[redqueen]

16. There are no lefty candidates.

We can whine and cry and pull our hair out, but it won't change shit.

I stand by my interpretation of your first response.

I don't think I have to point out what DK would say about characterizing half the country as "the enemy".

[LWolf]

17. It's true that there are no lefty candidates.

It's also true that the republicans are in pretty good shape no matter who wins.

I live in a hard-core republican stronghold. I've lived in republican strongholds for the last 30 years. I work with them, live next door to them, socialize with them, and, as long as we maintain that old social norm of my mom's, leaving politics and religion "off" the civilized conversation table, we accomplish a great deal together. We just don't agree on parties or candidates.

Interestingly, I've been working very closely with an old-style republican woman, who self-identifies as a conservative republican. Her ethics, her sense of right and wrong, her sense of community, is very similar to mine, and we've worked successfully on many projects. I've never mentioned my personal politics to her.

My choice, as a leftist, is to no longer support centrist/conservative candidates for office. That doesn't mean I won't work with them when they hold office; just that I won't help them get there. I'd rather focus on electing true liberal/left people.

That means that I won't be voting for Clinton or Obama. Ever. It's nothing personal. I'd have no problem sitting down with them to talk about any particular policy, to work with them to achieve something good. I'm not going to work to put them in a position of power, though.

[redqueen]

18. I can certainly relate.

I spent a short stint in a purplish area, but most of my years in TX have been spent in the red areas.

It makes me happy to see many conservatives abandoning their party. It's about time.

[JerseygirlCT]

2. I also think they've planned on this for literally years now

Having to re-work their plans is driving them crazy!

[anamandujano]

3. That's why the Repuke owned media is smoothing over Obama's foibles.

[redqueen]

8. Are you kidding?

Wright was blasted for days... and is still being wrung for all it's worth.

Meanwhile no one in the M$M seems too curious about the Clintons' recent skyrocketing net worth.

[jobycom]

6. No one's giving because they figure it won't cost much to beat Obama.

He's a blank slate, and that's the easiest for them to write their slanders on.

[stevietheman]

19. Umm, but Obama will have a far larger warchest than McCain, so....

SAY WHAT??

[Cha]

21. Riiiiiiiiiiiight...you just keeping that in your

incredibly shrinking hilaryworld.

[DJ13]

7. And who has been the biggest cheerleaders of the GOP since 2000?

The corporations that own the MSM.

Thats why they ran the 10 seconds of Wright video 24/7.

Thats why they let Clinton reframe the talking points today away from her lying and back on Wright.

They are probably kicking themselves for believing the Clinton PR that she was inevitable and would win by Feb 5th because they were treating Obama fairly, and he ended up ahead of Clinton.

Now they are afraid it might be too late, so she's getting most of their favorable attention, but its starting to show their bias as a result.

[Yavin4]

20. They Cannot Activate The Highly Programmed Wingnuts Without Hillary Clinton

No Clinton. No fundraising campaigns. No energized RW base. No nothing.

[Kurovski]

14. K&R. (nt)