I am a man... but I am so upset at all the Hillary haters! how many feminists want Hillary to win?

[jesus_of_suburbia]

Please check in.

I am a gay male and it seems like all the people on this board want to attack me for supporting her.


can I get a little support?

[TheWraith]

1. Disagreeing with someone doesn't mean you irrationally hate them.

Nice Bush logic, though.

[MonkeyFunk]

3. Please

you can't read this board today for 5 minutes and conclude there's something OTHER than blind hatred going on. It's pathological.

[Alexander]

38. So if I disagree that Hillary's the better candidate, I'm guilty of "blind hatred".

Gotcha. Let me know when you get your next memo of talking points. :eyes:

[PoliticalAmazon]

60. This is an attempt to undercut legitimate criticism by casting it as an unflattering emotion

A very old campaign trick, but one the Hillarybots use quite a bit.

A person who has to use this trick does not have a legitimate point to make...otherwise they wouldn't have to use the trick.

[Recursion]

107. *shrug* my dislike for her is hardly "blind"

To the contrary, it's based very clearly on what I've seen and heard of her.

[roguevalley]

72. not from me. don't tell me about the female experience. the only

thing I will support you on is the evil that is directed at gays. that is evil and must stop. But the other? Nah. I don't presume to tell you what your life as a gay man is and what you have to be pissed off about because of it. I'm not a gay man. I'm not black, hispanic or disabled. I can't speak to the black experience. Don't get in my face about being female. I am old fucking enough to remember when colleges didn't admit women (Yale) where you had no rights and couldn't get credit if you were single, when all the jobs open were 'mommy, teacher, nurse or secretary'. I bear my scars just fine and BECAUSE OF THEM, I chose who I support based on facts and positions, not ovaries or balls. She says nothing to me but entitlement, anger, attainment at any cost and she is willing to sacrifice EVERYTHING including her family reputation to achieve that. i remember racism when it was everywhere and as casual in life as breathing. I remember all of it and because of it I CHOSE who I support based on WHAT THEY BELIEVE. Fuck using sexism as an excuse. Fuck it for using it as a weapon. As a man, you will NEVER understand.

[Hugabear]

2. Where does Hillary stand on gay marriage?

After all, her husband signed the Defense of Marriage Act.

[Adelante]

4. I am a feminist for Obama

Therefore, I don't want Hillary to win. It doesn't mean I hate her. It means I do not think she is the better candidate.

[redqueen]

9. Thank you.

All the hyperbole is making some people outright delusional.

[myrna minx]

16. I, too, am a feminist for Obama.

I don't hate Hillary either. I just prefer Senator Obama for President

[Vinca]

5. I'm a feminist and I

DON'T WANT HER TO WIN! Although I'm sure it will make a good story some day.

[StevieM]

98. Dupe, delete (eom)

[StevieM]

100. dupe, delete (eom)

[Mz Pip]

6. I don't hate her.

Never did. I just like Obama more. I'm pretty disappointed in Hillary, but I will vote for her if she manages to become the nominee.

Mz Pip

[adoraz]

7. there are plenty of reasons to hate her

Just because she is a woman does not give her a free pass.

I wouldn't say I hate her, but I do strongly dislike her. I am glad she will never be President.

[countingbluecars]

8. Feminist for Obama here.

I don't hate Hillary, but I am very disappointed in how she is running her campaign.

[Shae]

10. I don't hate Hillary

I am finding her harder and harder to like, though.

[AGirl]

11. I want the hatred against Hillary to end on this forum.

[GarbagemanLB]

13. It will, once she drops out.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

19. Will it be too late for the haters?

They should not have hated in the first place.

[roguevalley]

73. then check a mirror. amusing.

[AGirl]

42. Hillary hate is unacceptable regardless of the status of this race.

[Catherina]

49. Is Hillary some sort of a Saint or something?

People can hate whoever they damn well choose and that includes Saint Hillary.

[PoliticalAmazon]

61. Says who? She has earned the hate directed at her. Let her enjoy what she earned.

[dkf]

106. Well then I guess I hate Hillary's very very awful behavior

which I find simply beyond the pale.

[donheld]

97. Hillary has created much of that hatred herself.

[Hugabear]

114. But it's quite okay for the hatred against Obama to continue

Can't help but notice you only want the hatred against YOUR candidate to stop.

[elizm]

12. Feminist here....supporting Obama. nt

[kerry-is-my-prez]

14. Feminst for Hillary.... It looks like there's a generation gap. Many younger women are for Obama.

Many of the middle-aged and older are for Hillary. A lot of the Hillary supporters have left this site becasue of all the hate towards supporters, Hillary and women. This board has had a lot of sexist stuff on here. There is a Hillary Clinton forum on DU and it may be best to go there.

In general, it almost seems that the only men who are for Hillary are the gay ones.

Women in the younger age range don't really know what it means to be a feminist IMO.

[ShortnFiery]

22. Don't stereotype or they'll accuse you of being Obama (tongue-in-cheek)

I know many other middle aged women such as myself (49 y.o.) who will vote for Obama. Many of us have SEPARATE careers from our husbands. We have our own identities. There's something very disturbing about a woman who wears her husband's rank to some of us PROUD older broads. ;) :blush:

[XemaSab]

26. I beg to differ.

I consider myself a pretty gung-ho feminist when it's called for.

Supporting a candidate just because she is a woman doesn't make any sense to me though.

I think it's about identity-politics feminism versus post-identity-politics feminism.

And what's more, I'm not going to trash someone else's feminist credentials because they don't agree with me.

Got it?

[beachmom]

40. Your comment has rubbed me the wrong way.

I think it is a huge mistake to support someone simply because they're a woman. You have to choose someone because they are the BEST CANDIDATE. And acting like younger women don't know what feminism is, when some of us have actually taken the time to read The Feminine Mystique and learn the history of the Suffrage Movement is condescending. Some of us don't vote based on identity politics. Some of us think voting for someone JUST BECAUSE they are a woman is the opposite of what women were trying to achieve over the last century. Equal rights means equal rights. Not handing someone the presidency just because they are of a certain gender.

[roguevalley]

75. no one should base a vote on gender identity. vote for the best

person in your experience and thinking.

[lumberjack_jeff]

45. Not at all true. n/t

[roguevalley]

76. so, lumberjack_jeff, what are you saying? And, I am finding it

amusing that so many men are so keen on telling women how they should think, vote, view life. Nothing changes. Thank about it.

[Adelante]

58. Well, I'm 60 years old

So are many other feminists for Obama on DU in the older age range. You seem to be drawing a scenario to suit yourself, not based in reality.

[PoliticalAmazon]

64. This "older women for Hillary" thing has me confused.

I'm 54 years old. I used to be a strong HRC supporter, until she ran for Senate and her true colors started to come out. It has worsened with time, and gone exponential since she started running for the presidency.

I see her for what she is, and I don't want any part of it.

But I also hear pundits saying that Hillary has the "older women."

They won't quantify what age is "older."

I know 8 women older than I am who I know well enough to talk politics. All won't vote for Hillary.

So who are these older women? And what is "older"?

[roguevalley]

74. I know a lot of younger feminist women

(teacher) and none of them are for hillary. they haven't coalesced -some of them on Obama- but no one I know is for hillary.

[LisaM]

15. I am a feminist and I want Hillary

I also believe that her opponent (or his campaign) have completely managed to deflect the campaign away from the feminist platform and feminist achievement. Can Hillary, at this point, get up and make a speech about women's rights, or her own struggles in that regard?

No, she can't. She would immediately suffer a hailstorm of - "but - but - but ---- racism is WORSE than sexism!"

She is an inspiration to a lot of people, and I see one of her most important accomplishments - being a viable woman candidate for US president - as being something that she cannot run on, or use to her advantage in this race.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

25. Thank you for your post!

AS a gay man, I understand what you are saying.

I WILL SUPPORT HILLARY TILL THE BITTER END.

And then I will vote for the Dem nominee. No matter who she/he is.

I don't trust Obama... but I trust him more than ANY Republican.


If he wins the nomination (which I think he will) I WILL BE SUPPORTING HIS ASS 100%.

At this point, I support my lady Hillary.

[LisaM]

27. Well, if he wins

I'll support him about 75%, though since I will have -250% support for McCain, I guess it all evens out.

I can't explain it, but there is something about him that rubs me the wrong way.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

31. Me Too. LisaM, but I still want a Dem

[roguevalley]

78. which is what you should do, Jesus/o/s.

[Adelante]

59. I wish she would give a speech about women's rights

There is nothing to stop her.

[cyndensco]

91. During their first one-on-one debate

Hillary was applauded when she proclaimed she would be the first female president - what a change that would be. Unfortunately, Obama did not have the same luxury.

And, for the record, as a middle-aged AA woman, I have felt worlds more discrimination based on my race than on my gender.

[ShortnFiery]

17. What? Hillary haters? I'm a dyed in the wool FEMINIST but I do NOT want HRC.

Two of her character traits, in particular, e.g., dishonesty and self-righteousness, make HRC a "No Go" for The Presidency of The United States of America.

I wouldn't hesitate to vote for Barbara Boxer but not HRC. Not ever.

That's not being dishonest to the hard working women who came before me. If anything, it's my profound respect for the "honorable" feminists of our past that I will not vote for HRC.

Not THIS woman. Not ever.

[TheDoorbellRang]

18. I'm a feminist

which means I vote for the PERSON based on their qualifications, regardless of their genitalia.

I do not hate Hillary. I simply despise her ways.

[XemaSab]

20. I'm a feminist

and that's why I'm supporting Obama. :patriot:

[City Lights]

21. Feminist for Obama, but I'm not one who will "attack" you for supporting

Clinton.

[Hamlette]

23. this feminist is voting Obama

Hillary is not a feminist, she's an egotist.

Obama seems the better feminist in this race.

[SammyWinstonJack]

35. They're both egotists.

[EFerrari]

24. Why would a feminist want Hillary to win?

Feminism is about empowering people, not about empowering one woman.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

28. So am I wrong? As a man? I'm sad to see that so many feminists are supporting Obama.

That IS a consideration for me as a gay male.


Obviously not the only consideration, but it is important.

The more women I see that disown Hillary, the more it makes me think.




I'm really interested in hearing the opinions of women who support Obama over Clinton.

Thank you for your input.

[AGirl]

44. I dont support Obama or Clinton, and I am woman AND transsexual.

I do think Hillary being a woman IS a consideration. We need a Women Leader, those that say her gender is totally irrelevant, I don't agree with. I think we should give Hillary MORE consideration because of her gender.

[kwenu]

54. Why? Should she be elected on the basis of vagina ownership?

[roguevalley]

80. You are wrong. You are wrong to assume that women will fall in

behind a woman because she's female. Do you understand what you are saying, hon? You are saying that ideas, personality, positions on issues, feelings and ideas about the future and what we want are secondary to supporting a woman candidate because she is a woman. Are you aware that many of us ARE feminists who view her actions and words as a betrayal of what we believe feminism to be? I personally find her scorched earth approach counterproductive. She isn't for anything so much, anymore, as she is against things. She wants the white house so badly that she will lie for it. I don't care if you don't believe VIDEO TAPE and EYEWITNESSES or not, she lied. We need someone who will level with us. Tell us the truth no matter where the chips fall. She can't. She doesn't put the country first. Millions of Hillary supporters will jump on me but so what. This is what I and it appears many more see.

I lost a relationship with my brothers defending the Clintons. I did it because I believed they cared for the country and party first. Now I regret it more than you can imagine because it was for nothing. I don't pretend to understand the gay experience but it seems to me that Don't ask, don't tell is a terrible compromise face saver for Clinton to have imposed on decent, heroic, patriotic military people who just HAPPENED to be gay. Harry Truman integrated the military at HUGE cost because it was RIGHT. He did the hardest thing possible because it was right and just. Clinton had the same moment and he tossed it away. Because of that, people have suffered. Clinton folded like a deck of cards. He risked nothing to do the right thing and he didn't help anyone in the military from a huge injustice. You can die for your country but you can't be who you truly are. It was cowardice. I thought so at the time and I still do.

I don't want anymore of the Clintons. They are way too damned expensive for me to tolerate anymore. My nephew was in Bosnia getting shot at when Hillary pretended to duck sniper fire. She used the military to lie about her 'experience', which is unforgivable.

That is what I see and what I feel. Thank you for having my say.

[JerseygirlCT]

90. Because a true feminist won't make a choice based soley on gender

And Clinton has shown herself to us to be the lesser of the candidates. More likely to support the status quo, less honest, less willing to take stands when they're politically inexpedient.

I think Obama is smart, eloquent, and eager to build bridges. I think we desperately need that now. I don't see anything but more of the same old from the Clinton campaign now - nasty campaign tactics, questionable honesty, win at any cost strategies... I want to move away from that.

Their positions on many, if not most, issues are quite similar, to my eyes. What differs, and differs more and more the longer this campaign runs, are questions of character, motivation and intentions.

I want a better world, where we don't spend our time fighting one another, but have a chance to work toward common goals. And don't get me wrong; it's well past time we had a woman in the WH. But Clinton doesn't get extra feminist creds from me simply because she's a woman.

[donheld]

96. Isn't it sexist to assume all feminists must support a woman

regardless of who she is?

[susankh4]

29. Go Hillary!

I am totally in it with ya!

[Name removed]

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[WDIM]

32. Support the liar

maybe she'll get some sleep and realize she can't win.

[Name removed]

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[azmouse]

34. Another feminist for Obama.

I want to see a woman in the WH but I don't think Hillary is the right one.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

36. Obama folks continuously & viciously attacked & have driven off most of Hillary'ssupporters

not all the Obama folks are nasty....it does seem to be a larger contingency of them though.

[beachmom]

41. Well, coming from an Obama supporter, there is something called the Ignore function.

Which is what I have the most offensive Hillary supporters on. The fact is the blogs overwhelmingly back Obama. And DU reflects that in the numbers. Sexist remarks aren't cool, but Hillary supporters are constantly the "Supporters who cry Sexism" whenever things aren't going their way. But the truth is that the Obama campaign has never ever ever played into any anti-woman feelings the way the Hillary people like to play on racial tensions and fears.

[kwenu]

51. I'm glad you haven't engaged in any of the nasty talk.

:sarcasm:

[beachmom]

37. It is not feminist to root for someone simply because they are a woman.

One should vote for someone because they are the best candidate period. That is why I support Barack Obama.

[polichick]

39. I'm a feminist who supports Obama, and I don't want to attack you.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

47. thank you, polichick.... posts like yours will make me feel better in Nov

I would have voted for the Dem nominee no matter what.

But trust me, your post makes me feel better about it.


*hugs*

[polichick]

71. I'm gonna be voting for the Dem nominee too...

Hey, we're not crazy!! :toast:

[lumberjack_jeff]

43. Everyone has a different reason for choosing their preferred candidate.

I am not a feminist. My priorities are health care, labor, children and GLBT issues (although I'm straight, I have close family for whom this is important)

FWIW, I don't think that Obama eats babies. He's nice enough.

[roguevalley]

81. you and I share priorities, lumberjack_jeff

We don't have to agree on all things, however. :)

[AGirl]

46. As a feminist, it;s legitimate to consider her gender a bonus and should be accounted for

[jesus_of_suburbia]

50. AS A WHITE FUCKING MALE, I AM SO PROUD OF MY PARTY!

FOR NOMINATING:

1) a woman

2) a black man




I think that one of the 2 WILL be the next President.

I WILL BE DANCING IN THE STREET WHEN EITHER OF THEM WIN!


*I want it to be Clinton though, hehe. I'll be just as proud if obama wins!*

[ourbluenation]

55. As a feminist, its about having the freedom to vote for who I deem the best candidate, regardless

of gender - that is true equality.


I'm going with the dude from Illinois.

[AGirl]

111. exactly and as a feminist, that means I can consider HIllary bieng a woman is something that should

be accounted for.

[ourbluenation]

116. you bet. ita n/t

[roguevalley]

82. maybe to your point of view but having a vagina is just like having

balls. standard equipment. What should be accounted for is what lies between the ears and in the heart.

[AGirl]

110. having a vagina and living as a woman is not like just about having a vagina

[BalancedGoat]

83. Not trying to be rude.

Would you see it as a bad thing if a male were to feel that the gender of a male politician was some how a bonus? If so, what's the distinction that seperates the two in your mind?

[AGirl]

109. isn't that kind of obvious why I think being a woman is a bonus and being a man is not when it comes

to presidential politics?

[kwenu]

48. No. The post is silly. If you feel that way what difference does it make that you are a man?

Or even gay for that matter.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

52. you don't understand. I'm with ya babe

I'm on your side. but I assume you aren't a gay male Hillary fan.

Correct?


We're all on the same side in the end. The Dem nominee (which I FIRMLY believe will be Obama).

[peaches2003]

53. A real feminist...

doesn't want a woman being elected to be any different than a man. They want EQUALITY, not special treatment, for women. I am a feminist and will vote for a woman when I think she is a better candidate than the man running for the same office.

[pnwmom]

94. We don't have equality. Don't kid yourself. We can't have passed beyond

a goal that we have never attained.

[LaurenG]

56. This is sad, it's not you

you have every right to support your candidate she just rubs some of us the wrong way. I'm a straight female but I just can't get behind her. Hang in there, this has got to be over with soon, (we can only hope).

[WolverineDG]

57. I'm a lifelong feminist

Granddaughter of a woman who was a suffragette & marched for the right to vote. Daughter of her daughter who took me to the polls every single time she went to vote to remind me of this & arranged for a woman to register me to vote on the day I turned 18.

I support Barack Obama.

dg

[EmilyAnne]

62. Lesbian feminist here for Obama.

[Chalco]

63. I am a lifelong feminist.

I've also studied psychology and archeology. In my opinion what is going on is very deep. The undercurrents of sexism are so apparent. It confirms what I know which is that women are inherently stronger than men in terms of their psyche, problem solving ability and brain development that it makes men absolutely furious. It also makes some women furious because it upsets the established order. It threatens everything we know for a woman to be in charge of the most powerful nation. (I know this is temporary because China is taking over. But for right now that is still true.)

But, we need a woman to be in charge. Women are better problem solvers. Women incorporate feelings into their decision making process so that they can see plus feel what the results of any decision are. It is time for a woman to take care of the world.

It will be ok.

[roguevalley]

85. I don't mind women in charge as long as they aren't desperate to

be there anyway they can. I want the best candidate and in this cycle, for me, that is obama. I came late to his table. I wanted Edwards because his issues were mine. Obama speaks to those issues better than her. Just because she is female doesn't sway me. I want issues, not gender bullshit.

Support your candidate, DU. Do what your heart says. Then you will be fine.

[loveangelc]

65. not me

:D

[goclark]

66. I am an African American Woman

and I am sure they are not including me in the feminist count.

The nerve of them to believe that they are the only women who have been treated unfairly.

My ggg grandmother was a slave and worked all day in the fields for no money.Even after slavery, she was paid pennies.

So if any women in this country should say "not fair" it should be African American women.

And you don't hear a peep.

We are bundled with the title African American - that includes men and women.

So what is really meant is " White women are real women, African American women need not apply."

Obama understands the divides in this country and wants to erase them and it is my dream that ALL PEOPLE will be judged for the content of their character.
:mad:

[Adelante]

79. That's true in other ways

Look how the working class vote is somehow always discussed as the white working class vote, as if blacks don't work, or something. :crazy:

[goclark]

89. You are right and I never thought about it that way...

I was always so busy working that I didn't think about that aspect of polling.

I am reminded of Rodney King's famous words.\, "Can't we all get along?"

Wouldn't it be a beautiful day when our voting patterns would not be segregated but truly EQUAL!

[roguevalley]

86. that is all we can hope for, goclark.

[goclark]

87. Thank you for caring

[crankychatter]

113. Debate: Gloria Steinem VS Melissa Harris-Lacewell - Race/Gender in Presidential Politics

The Feminist movement has a shameful history unto the modern day of excluding African American women from the dialogue. They have little to be proud of in that way.

Video is for YOU, Goclark

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/1/14/race_and_gender_in_presidential_politics

in_presidential_politics

sorry the link won't fully post

thanks for posting... I'm afraid on here, you're the "voice of one crying in the wilderness"

[Liberal Veteran]

67. How about you tell us WHY you want Hillary to win?

What's the attraction?

[tbyg52]

68. Feminist for Obama checking in

I don't care what sex, race, creed, or color Hillary is, I'm sick of her tactics.

[goclark]

92. Me too ~ Obama could be Black, I'm Black

but if he started running a slime campaign, like she has, I would not vote for him.

I won't vote for him because he's AAmerican and I won't vote for her because she is a woman.

In fact,Eleanor Roosevelt was my ideal woman. Sojourner Truth was my kind of woman. Hillary Clark is not my kind of woman.

My idea of a woman President would be Barbara Boxer.I can't even imagine her running this kind of campaign.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

69. First off, I like your name :)

There are extremist on both sides, as there always are. I'm not gay, and cannot pretend to speak for you all on either side. With that said, I think with this issue, the Obama folks are a bit frustrated since the "McClurkin" incident seems to trump DOMA and DADT when it comes to who most supports gays.

Having McClurkin campaign for Obama was a mistake, but to me, the policy and political choices made by the Clintons around DOMA in particular, were a greater mistake and more damaging.

[better tomorrow]

70. I'm a feminist, I respect gay males, and I am not voting for Hillary

does that make you feel better?

[Diane R]

77. Lifelong feminist, very much voting for Obama. I've come to despise Hillary.

[NastyRiffraff]

84. Feminist here, Hillary supporter, anti-hate

The hatred for Hillary is now off the charts on these boards. It's irrational, and sometimes vicious.

I don't hate Obama. I don't LIKE hime. I don't TRUST him. I will hold my nose and vote for him, very reluctantly, if he wins the nomination. And I will then hold his feet to the fire. I've already saved his website in case certain things are scrubbed later (like I said, I don't trust him at all).

[StevieM]

102. I don't trust him either. He reminds me of George Bush (eom)

[JerseygirlCT]

88. I'm not attacking you for supporting her. But as someone NOT

supporting Clinton, I'd appreciate it if we also could quit with the assumption that a feminist must support the female candidate, regardless.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

93. OK, here is my fatwa on this subject.

I DO NOT CARE if Hillary is a woman.

I DO NOT CARE if Obama is African-American.

I WANT the man OR woman...

BLACK man

BLACK woman

WHITE man

WHITE woman

PURPLE man

PURPLE woman

...who can restore this country to its dignity after 8 years of George W. Bush.

Peace, OUT.

A.V.

[donheld]

95. No you cannot, at least from me.

Most of the Hillary hate was generated from Hillary herself. The way she's behaved during this campaign is reprehensible. So no sympathy from me. I'm also a gay man and was bullied for my support of Obama.

[otohara]

99. Feminist for Obama Here

sorry dude!

[StevieM]

101. I'm a man, I don't consider myself a feminist and I LOVE Hillary Clinton

The hatred for her on this board is despicable. I truly feel sorry for people who have so much anger in their hearts.

Hillary is a wonderful person who has run an honorable campaign in the face of a relentless smear campaign by her opponent. She has my everlasting respect.

Steve

[murielm99]

103. I am a feminist and I want Clinton to win.

Many Clinton supporters have been driven away from DU by the hate. I am sorry to see a place I enjoyed turning into such a sewer of hate.

[Swamp Rat]

104. I'm a rabid, male shovenist rat, and I want to bite Hillary and give her rabies and LOCKJAW!

:evilgrin:

[Raine]

105. I'm a 57yr old feminist for Obama

but I won't attack you for your support of Hillary, that's totally your choice.

[dkf]

108. I'm an anti-label female for Obama!

All I know is that I have a hard time assigning credibility to Hillary's words, and I am very often disgusted by her actions.

That doesn't leave me much room to support her, even if she is a woman.

I want a woman President I can be proud of. Hillary simply does not fit the bill.

[TheDonkey]

112. Gay male here. GO OBAMA!!!

[Warren Stupidity]

115. support the candidate of your choice dude.

My choice is Obama. He is my third choice so far. If by some miracle Clinton manages to pull out of her self-destructing campaign tailspin and capture the nomination, she will be my fourth choice.

[Honeycombe8]

117. Feminist woman. And Obamamama. nt

[indie_voter]

118. 44 yr old woman for Obama n/t

[LeFleur1]

119. Feminist For Hillary Here

Hillary is an honorable person. It is so great to finally have a woman running for leader of this country. It wasn't too many years ago that a woman couldn't have run for the highest office in the land. We've come a long way, baby. We still have a long way to go before things are equal, but our determiniation will win out. It's wonderful to see women taking part in so many business and political endeavors successfully. There was a time when I didn't believe it would ever be allowed to happen. It was worth the fight.

I'm constantly amazed at how much power the right wing demonizers have on ordinary people.
The constant insults toward her on this board are sickening (not to mention stupid) because as long as people keep saying it those too lazy to find out for themselves believe it and spread the hate. It's a contageous thing.

I don't find Obama a uniter. I find him to be a wishy washy wisher who embellishes his record, which, sadly, most people do when they run for office.

Hillary has done nothing bad. She has served her constituency well. NY and ARkansas where she is well known voted overwhelmingly for her. She is smart, experienced, and she is a problem solver. She understands our government and she knows how to get things done. She is the best candidate for the job.