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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:15 PM
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Just Embellished Words: Senator Obama’s Record of Exaggerations & Misstatements
Just interjecting some reality here at Obama U. :hi:

Press Release

3/25/2008
Just Embellished Words: Senator Obama’s Record of Exaggerations & Misstatements

Once again, the Obama campaign is getting caught saying one thing while doing another. They are personally attacking Hillary even though Sen. Obama has been found mispeaking and embellishing facts about himself more than ten times in recent months. Senator Obama’s campaign is based on words –not a record of deeds – and if those words aren’t backed up by facts, there’s not much else left.

Senator Obama has called himself a constitutional professor, claimed credit for passing legislation that never left committee, and apparently inflated his role as a community organizer among other issues. When it comes to his record, just words won't do. Senator Obama will have to use facts as well," Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said.

Sen. Obama consistently and falsely claims that he was a law professor. The Sun-Times reported that, "Several direct-mail pieces issued for Obama's primary campaign said he was a law professor at the University of Chicago. He is not. He is a senior lecturer (now on leave) at the school. In academia, there is a vast difference between the two titles. Details matter." In academia, there's a significant difference: professors have tenure while lecturers do not.

Obama claimed credit for nuclear leak legislation that never passed. "Obama scolded Exelon and federal regulators for inaction and introduced a bill to require all plant owners to notify state and local authorities immediately of even small leaks. He has boasted of it on the campaign trail, telling a crowd in Iowa in December that it was 'the only nuclear legislation that I’ve passed.' 'I just did that last year,' he said, to murmurs of approval. A close look at the path his legislation took tells a very different story. While he initially fought to advance his bill, even holding up a presidential nomination to try to force a hearing on it, Mr. Obama eventually rewrote it to reflect changes sought by Senate Republicans, Exelon and nuclear regulators. The new bill removed language mandating prompt reporting and simply offered guidance to regulators, whom it charged with addressing the issue of unreported leaks. Those revisions propelled the bill through a crucial committee. But, contrary to Mr. Obama’s comments in Iowa, it ultimately died amid parliamentary wrangling in the full Senate."

Obama misspoke about his being conceived because of Selma. "Mr. Obama relayed a story of how his Kenyan father and his Kansan mother fell in love because of the tumult of Selma, but he was born in 1961, four years before the confrontation at Selma took place. When asked later, Mr. Obama clarified himself, saying: 'I meant the whole civil rights movement.'"

LA Times: Fellow organizers say Sen. Obama took too much credit for his community organizing efforts. "As the 24-year-old mentor to public housing residents, Obama says he initiated and led efforts that thrust Altgeld's asbestos problem into the headlines, pushing city officials to call hearings and a reluctant housing authority to start a cleanup. But others tell the story much differently. They say Obama did not play the singular role in the asbestos episode that he portrays in the best-selling memoir 'Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance.' Credit for pushing officials to deal with the cancer-causing substance, according to interviews and news accounts from that period, also goes to a well-known preexisting group at Altgeld Gardens and to a local newspaper called the Chicago Reporter. Obama does not mention either one in his book."

Chicago Tribune: Obama's assertion that nobody had indications Rezko was engaging in wrongdoing 'strains credulity.' "…Obama has been too self-exculpatory. His assertion in network TV interviews last week that nobody had indications Rezko was engaging in wrongdoing strains credulity: Tribune stories linked Rezko to questionable fundraising for Gov. Rod Blagojevich in 2004 -- more than a year before the adjacent home and property purchases by the Obamas and the Rezkos."

Obama was forced to revise his assertion that lobbyists 'won't work in my White House.' "White House hopeful Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) was forced to revise a critical stump line of his on Saturday -- a flat declaration that lobbyists 'won't work in my White House' after it turned out his own written plan says they could, with some restrictions… After being challenged on the accuracy of what he has been saying -- in contrast to his written pledge -- at a news conference Saturday in Waterloo, Obama immediately softened what had been his hard line in his next stump speech."

FactCheck.org: 'Selective, embellished and out-of-context quotes from newspapers pump up Obama's health plan.' "Obama's ad touting his health care plan quotes phrases from newspaper articles and an editorial, but makes them sound more laudatory and authoritative than they actually are. It attributes to The Washington Post a line saying Obama's plan would save families about $2,500. But the Post was citing the estimate of the Obama campaign and didn't analyze the purported savings independently. It claims that "experts" say Obama's plan is "the best." "Experts" turn out to be editorial writers at the Iowa City Press-Citizen – who, for all their talents, aren't actual experts in the field. It quotes yet another newspaper saying Obama's plan "guarantees coverage for all Americans," neglecting to mention that, as the article makes clear, it's only Clinton's and Edwards' plans that would require coverage for everyone, while Obama's would allow individuals to buy in if they wanted to.”

Sen. Obama said 'I passed a law that put Illinois on a path to universal coverage,' but Obama health care legislation merely set up a task force. "As a state senator, I brought Republicans and Democrats together to pass legislation insuring 20,000 more children. And 65,000 more adults received health care…And I passed a law that put Illinois on a path to universal coverage." The State Journal-Register reported in 2004 that "The Senate squeaked out a controversial bill along party lines Wednesday to create a task force to study health-care reform in Illinois. <…> In its original form, the bill required the state to offer universal health care by 2007. That put a 'cloud' over the legislation, said Sen. Dale Righter, R-Mattoon. Under the latest version, the 29-member task force would hold at least five public hearings next year."

ABC News: 'Obama…seemed to exaggerate the legislative progress he made' on ethics reform. "ABC News' Teddy Davis Reports: During Monday's Democratic presidential debate, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., seemed to exaggerate the legislative progress he has made on disclosure of "bundlers," those individuals who aggregate their influence with the candidate they support by collecting $2,300 checks from a wide network of wealthy friends and associates. When former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel alleged that Obama had 134 bundlers, Obama responded by telling Gravel that the reason he knows how many bundlers he has raising money for him is "because I helped push through a law this past session to disclose that." Earlier this year, Obama sponsored an amendment in the Senate requiring lobbyists to disclose the candidates for whom they bundle. Obama's amendment would not, however, require candidates to release the names of their bundlers. What's more, although Obama's amendment was agreed to in the Senate by unanimous consent, the measure never became law as Obama seemed to suggest. Gravel and the rest of the public know how many bundlers Obama has not because of a 'law' that the Illinois Democrat has 'pushed through' but because Obama voluntarily discloses that information."

Obama drastically overstated Kansas tornado deaths during campaign appearance. "When Sen. Barack Obama exaggerated the death toll of the tornado in Greensburg, Kan, during his visit to Richmond yesterday, The Associated Press headline rapidly evolved from 'Obama visits former Confederate capital for fundraiser’ to ‘Obama rips Bush on Iraq war at Richmond fundraiser' to 'Weary Obama criticizes Bush on Iraq, drastically overstates Kansas tornado death toll' to 'Obama drastically overstates Kansas tornado deaths during campaign appearance.' Drudge made it a banner, ensuring no reporter would miss it."
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:16 PM
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1. Did he ever imagine he was being shot at?
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:18 PM
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5. LOL....
isn't it "coincidental" that two threads that look suspiciously alike in text show up within a minute of each other? I mean, it's almost like somebody was mysteriously handed some stuff to throw up on the boards. Funny how that works...how fucking stupid they think we are
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:20 PM
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6. Don't know,
but he DID say Selma was the reason he was concieved.That was a lie.But of course in Obama Land that is perfectly acceptable,right?
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:21 PM
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8. I'm calling bullshit on this one.
I dare you to post the entire segment of that speech -- not just a portion of a sentence or two. Once you do, you'll see that your famed hillfacts site is just like drudge, only less original.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:21 PM
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9. Trivia question for ya DE
WHO was Hillary Clinton named after? (cue Jeopardy music...dum dum dum dum)
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:30 PM
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15. eh,tryin' to change the subject are ya'?
Yeah,I don't blame you.After a day when you all have circle jerked over Hillary's 'lie' you now realize that all you said about her applies to your man as well.Can't be fun for you.Quite embarassing I would imagine...lol.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:33 PM
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18. answer the question will ya?
.
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hell-bent Donating Member (593 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:16 AM
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60. Ha,ha,ha, Can you say: "squashed like a roach"?
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Rob Gregory Browne Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:29 PM
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14. I'm sorry, but how does Selma qualify as a lie?
Maybe that's what he was told as he grew up. Perhaps saying Selma was a way of symbolizing the civil rights movement. Whatever the case, this certainly doesn't rise to the level of a lie the way saying you were nearly strafed by sniper fire -- when you clearly didn't even come close to it -- is a lie.

I mean, all politicians lie. All politicians stretch the truth -- hell, we ALL stretch the truth from time to time. But what Hillary said was just a flat-out lie in an attempt to build herself up in the eyes of the voters. Obama's story in a book he wrote years ago was not meant to make him look "presidential." In fact, I'd argue that the stories of drug abuse show just how honest he can be.


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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:35 PM
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19. Ha,riiiight.
Using the specificity of Selma was no accident-Using the Civil Rights movement has been one of his angles all along.Selma was an embellishment(lie) on his part to play on sympathies.When he got caught on his fantastic lie he was able to wiggle out of it but that was no mistake,not by a long shot.I would say using Selma is on par with saying you were shot at,maybe even worse.


But of course being a supporter you give himthe benefit of the doubt. :) No pitchfork for Obama here at Obama Undergorund.
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:17 PM
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2. Don't try to interject that rationality nonsense here
Shame on you! :P
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:23 PM
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11. Ha, I know right?
This is Obama Underground- How dare me. :evilgrin:
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:18 PM
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3. Wow, you guys are really shitting your pants over SniperGate. Awesome.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:20 PM
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7. SniperGate, Richardson Effect...
... let's just say that hearts are heavy in HillaryLand. :-)
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:24 PM
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12. poll numbers too Jen
Obama leading by 21 points in NC and HRC down to 10 point lead in Pennsy-that's not even factoring in the Snipergate numbers which I suspect are going over real well to the guys that wear John Deer hats and hunt in the woods of the Keystone state
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:18 PM
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4. What is your source? C'mon, you can tell us.
I'm guessing it's that fine source of unbiased reporting -- hillfacts?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:22 PM
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10. Hillary lies about Obama's words
and then blames Obama. What a piece of work.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:29 PM
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13. Hillary digs into her fact check well for debunked crap to counter her lack of credibility.
One of the worst campaigns ever!

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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:31 PM
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16. How does any of this change the fact that Hillary is no longer electable?
All of these things, even if true, can be dealt with. Pretending that you came under fire while our troops are actually under fire is a little more difficult to gloss over. Especially when running against someone who actually WAS shot at.


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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:39 PM
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23. Just doing my part to keep it real 'round here jgraz
Obama has lied,embellished and made false claims -All the outrage around here today is hilarious when put into this context :)
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:41 PM
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24. I don't care about outrage. I think Hillary has just rendered herself unelectable
Lying about coming under fire is the kind of thing that used to end political careers. In the unlikely chance that she gets the nomination, you can expect that video to run 24/7 on every corporate media outlet.


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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:31 PM
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17. Oy vey.

"Sen. Obama consistently and falsely claims that he was a law professor. The Sun-Times reported that, "Several direct-mail pieces issued for Obama's primary campaign said he was a law professor at the University of Chicago. He is not. He is a senior lecturer (now on leave) at the school. In academia, there is a vast difference between the two titles. Details matter." In academia, there's a significant difference: professors have tenure while lecturers do not. "

This is a semantic argument. Some professors have tenure, some do not. There are tenured professors, there are non-tenure professors, there are tenure-track professors, there are visiting professors, etc.

Frankly, I'd think anybody who's gone to college should be able to see the nonsense in your argument.

"Obama misspoke about his being conceived because of Selma. "Mr. Obama relayed a story of how his Kenyan father and his Kansan mother fell in love because of the tumult of Selma, but he was born in 1961, four years before the confrontation at Selma took place. When asked later, Mr. Obama clarified himself, saying: 'I meant the whole civil rights movement.'"

The infamous "Bloody Sunday" was in 1965, but Selma was a hotspot for civil rights activism since the fifties and earlier.

"Chicago Tribune: Obama's assertion that nobody had indications Rezko was engaging in wrongdoing 'strains credulity.' "…Obama has been too self-exculpatory. His assertion in network TV interviews last week that nobody had indications Rezko was engaging in wrongdoing strains credulity: Tribune stories linked Rezko to questionable fundraising for Gov. Rod Blagojevich in 2004 -- more than a year before the adjacent home and property purchases by the Obamas and the Rezkos.""

What were the exact quotes and context?

"LA Times: Fellow organizers say Sen. Obama took too much credit for his community organizing efforts. "As the 24-year-old mentor to public housing residents, Obama says he initiated and led efforts that thrust Altgeld's asbestos problem into the headlines, pushing city officials to call hearings and a reluctant housing authority to start a cleanup. But others tell the story much differently. They say Obama did not play the singular role in the asbestos episode that he portrays in the best-selling memoir 'Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance.' Credit for pushing officials to deal with the cancer-causing substance, according to interviews and news accounts from that period, also goes to a well-known preexisting group at Altgeld Gardens and to a local newspaper called the Chicago Reporter. Obama does not mention either one in his book.""

hearsay


"Sen. Obama said 'I passed a law that put Illinois on a path to universal coverage,' but Obama health care legislation merely set up a task force. "As a state senator, I brought Republicans and Democrats together to pass legislation insuring 20,000 more children. And 65,000 more adults received health care…And I passed a law that put Illinois on a path to universal coverage." The State Journal-Register reported in 2004 that "The Senate squeaked out a controversial bill along party lines Wednesday to create a task force to study health-care reform in Illinois. <…> In its original form, the bill required the state to offer universal health care by 2007. That put a 'cloud' over the legislation, said Sen. Dale Righter, R-Mattoon. Under the latest version, the 29-member task force would hold at least five public hearings next year."

Again, semantics.


"Obama drastically overstated Kansas tornado deaths during campaign appearance. "When Sen. Barack Obama exaggerated the death toll of the tornado in Greensburg, Kan, during his visit to Richmond yesterday, The Associated Press headline rapidly evolved from 'Obama visits former Confederate capital for fundraiser’ to ‘Obama rips Bush on Iraq war at Richmond fundraiser' to 'Weary Obama criticizes Bush on Iraq, drastically overstates Kansas tornado death toll' to 'Obama drastically overstates Kansas tornado deaths during campaign appearance.' Drudge made it a banner, ensuring no reporter would miss it."

Now that really is a misstatement. He meant to say ten and said ten thousand. Do you reall think he meant to say ten thousand? What would he hope to accomplish with that?
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:35 PM
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20. who fucking CARES?
really man...you people are really reaching hard today
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:20 PM
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33. They got nothin'. That's what they do when they have to manufacture shit about Sen. Obama.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 08:47 AM
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48. AMERICA does - the vast majority of it...
we care about Mcglurkin, Rezko and that ASSHOLE Wright...
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hell-bent Donating Member (593 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:24 AM
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62. You got that right!
Is it time for Obama to drop out and quit destroying the Democratic Party with his exaggerations? :>)
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:38 PM
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21. That bastard Obama is JUST LIKE AL GORE!!
I can't fucking wait to vote for him! :bounce:
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:38 PM
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22. Please stop the attacks on our nominee Barack Obama. n/t
n/t
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 09:29 AM
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53. When did that happen?
Please stop the attacks on our nominee Barack Obama.

When did he become the nominee? :shrug:

Wishful thinking on your part? :eyes:
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:41 PM
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25. How quickly Clinton's press release comes to lower the bar because of her great lie.
Hillary lied.
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:42 PM
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27. So did Obama.
and...?
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Taxmyth Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:42 PM
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26. the hits keep coming
Thanks for this list.....I'm sure it's not complete yet and by convention time we will see which candidate is better qualifed to defeat the GOP in the November General Election.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:48 PM
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28. Hillary now OWNS the Embellishment Award for the 2008 Primary race.
"I say a lot of things — millions of words a day — so if I misspoke, that was just a misstatement," she said.

Anytime embellishment comes up now, we will see the video of Hillary in Tuzla mashed up with her "misspeaking".

It wasn't just once that she talked about running and ducking under fire, but at least 4 times. She said it twice before being questioned about it. When questioned the first time she insisted that she had to run for cover and told us that Sinbad was a liar because "well, he's a comedian". Then the next time she was asked she insisted, "well, that's what happened."

It wasn't like the lady just simply misspoke once during a speech now is it?

Do you know what today's word of the day is in the media? "Misspoke" Attributed to Hyperbole Hillary:



http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/25/804275.aspx

From NBC’s Ron Allen
Here's my nominee for the word of the day -- if such a thing exists. It came from Hillary Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson yesterday, responding to questions about the senator's description of landing, "under sniper fire," at the Tuzla, Bosnia, airport while First Lady, as the war was winding down, back in 1996.

After citing numerous articles from the time, referring to the danger, and how unusual it was for a first lady to travel to such a war-torn place, Team Clinton conceded she "misspoke" about the sniper fire. And running with, "our heads down," from the airport.

Clinton herself told the editorial boards of the Philadelphia Daily News and Inquirer that she “misspoke.” Further clarifying her comments, she said the pilot aboard her aircraft had warned there was sniper fire in the area at the time when she was arriving in Tuzla.

VIDEO: NBC's Andrea Mitchell reports on Hillary Clinton misspeaking about being under fire during a 1996 trip to Bosnia.




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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:59 PM
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29. The fact this has blown up like it has
in the msm only proves what a Free Pass Obama has gotten all this time.

He's been doing this all along.It wasn't until Hillary did it that it was a problem though.Wasn't until Hillary did it that the pitchforks came out at D.U.

You can not look at that list of lies and false claims and embellishments of Obama's and not apply the same logic to him as you did to Hillary today over her 'lie'.You just can't.Well you can but you look like a fool doing so. :evilgrin:
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:11 PM
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30. Right. The Opposites just keep coming from HillaryWorld.
The only ones looking like fools right now are those who keep denying that the Empress has No Clothes. She's standing out here stark naked and the world is laughing at her.

Obama never made himself look like Walter Mitty by repeatedly touting some imaginary scenario. Hillary seems to be stuck in 1992. Back before we all had access to the internet and could check out someone's story. She is completely outclassed in this race and it shows.

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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:00 PM
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41. "millions of words a day"
That's 11.57 words a second, every single second, all day long. (1,000,000/24/60/60)

Assuming she only talked non-stop for 12 hours a day (time for sleep, pausing to listen to others), she's on record as saying she has a speaking rate of a semi-constant whopping 23.14 words a second.

I guess she talks mighty fast about her past exagerations? :shrug:
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:14 PM
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31. Counterpoints
1. I work in academia. A lecturer is a type of professor. The distinction between the two is sharp only in European academia.

2. It passed committee, so it did technically "pass". Typical politician doublespeak, but not something to pull out the pitchforks over.

3. "Selma" could just be a metaphor for the overall civil rights movement. Obama's response is actually plausable...plus Selma was a hotbed long before Bloody Sunday, as discussed by BornAgainHooligan.

4. So in short, Obama once failed to give credit where it is due. OK...I still do not see why anyone should be upset about it.

5. Rezko again. Beat that dead horse. It is impossible to know whether Obama knew about events that happened a year before with another person. You can believe one way or another, but you have no proof that Oabama knew anything.

6. Obama had to soften some campaign language because he technically would allow lobbyists to operate, but under more restrictions. Here is where "mis-speak" can be used properly. Obama could have meant to say "my White House will no longer work for the lobbyists". The central argument of being a bane for lobbyists still holds true.

7. All campaigns do this...selective quotes, etc. Look at the cover of a few best-selling books and you will see the same thing. I don't like it, but it doesn't rise to the level of any serious controversy.

8. Selecting a task force is the first step in the path to universal health coverage. Admittedly it is an embellishment, but it is essentially true, as well.

9. I fail to see this one as a damning indictment of Obama, either. If anything, this argument make Obama look like an open governor because he discloses information that he does not have to.

10. The Kansas death on is funny. Another proper use of the "mis-speak" argument, and this one is definitely true.


.....and finally, all of this together does not equate to lying about dodging sniper fire while serving as an official representative of this country on foreign soil. Not even if you pile Wright on top of all of these thin arguments.
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 08:22 AM
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44. I emphatically disagree about the Selma 'lie'
I think it does equate to Hillary's Bosnia 'lie'.The other falsehoods and embellishments of Obama's are the stuff of ordinary politicians(and prove another point altogether...) but the Selma 'lie' is something else entirely.

He's used the civil rights movement as the corner stone of his campaign;Selma was no accident.He very well knew the imagery and emotion Selma itself would conjure up.He's used the Civil Rights movement for just that reason but Selma brought the message home in a more poignant way.

His flippant "misstatement" that it was because of Selma that he was conceived,using the suffering of a people and his now dead parents union for his own personal gain,is very much on par with saying you were shot at in a war zone.

But of course YOU give him the benefit of the doubt because you back him - So I'm sure you can understand where we Hillary backers are coming from when we say it WAS a war zone,she was probably scared and did hear sniper shot in the plane and somehow her memory of that time turned into the story she relayed over the last month....you can surely understnad how we'd give her that benefit of the doubt,right?Right.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:18 AM
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61. No I don't give her the benefit of the doubt
Edited on Wed Mar-26-08 11:18 AM by Zodiak Ironfist
You do not lie about getting shot at....that is serious stuff.

You can disagree all you want with me, but there is a far greater opportunity for plausible deniability concerning the Selma issue than Bosnia. Selma was an issue LONG before that fateful Sunday, so the problem was extant when Obama was born. And as much as you would like to project your blind partisanship onto me, it seems that the blindness is evidenced by your post. Not my own.

I am glad that you conceded 90% of my argument in favor of the Selma one, which is thin.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:29 AM
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64. Thanks for your responses in this thread. (nt)
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moc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:03 PM
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32. "professors have tenure, lecturers don't" -->> what bullshit
Some/many professors don't have tenure. The title "professor" does not imply tenure.

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malletgirl02 Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:30 PM
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38. You are right
One has to be a professor for several years to get tenure.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:23 PM
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34. Pure, unadulterated bullshit.
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PseudoIntellect Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:25 PM
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35. Justification: tu quoque
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:27 PM
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36. Is there a reason for omitting a link?
I don't see any proof or specific quotes in the assertions above.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:42 PM
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39. Hillary
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:28 PM
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37. kick for the glass houses
:kick:
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:08 PM
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42. and for the multiple pick pick pick
Are all the Obama supporters unemployed?
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 08:23 AM
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45. thanks bigtree
seems all their houses are in smithereens today after Obama has proven them to be hypocrits. :)
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 09:04 AM
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52. oh, thank you very much for posting this.
I know the point is lost on those who believe their candidate is infallible. But I know that, rather than an obsession with the Clinton camp with these, there is a need to provide some perspective on the typical political nature of both of our Democratic candidates (McCain too). So much of the criticism seems to be (feigned) shock to find politicians acting politically. But, here we are, historically close at an incredibly late point in the primary contest. And, even in these controversies, which are raised to hysterical levels of false outrage and umbrage, the candidates share foibles and 'misstatements', even in this campaign. Glass houses.
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:59 AM
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58. Right
I think it truly does offer some perspective.The truth is here in black and white for all those that would have people believe Hillary's 'lie' is an evil aberration.



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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:44 PM
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40. Obama misspeaks about being a prof when he is a lecturer. Hillary lies about fleeing incoming fire.
WoooooooooooooooW
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:11 PM
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43. Well, you knew what would happen in ObamaUnderground when you posted this.
It's the accumulation of half-truths, exaggerations, and outright lies by Obama and his campaign that bother me, not the seriousness of said half-truths, etc. etc.

It's the slickness of his being oh, so above-it-all when he's really just another politician. If he were honest about being a politician, I wouldn't be so reluctant to vote for him if he wins the nomination. (So no heads explode, yes I will hold my nose and vote for him if he's the nominee. Okay? I just don't worship him.)
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 08:30 AM
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46. exactly.Thank you.
I didn't know most of these 'lies' Obama told before I saw this @ Hillary's site last night.I wasn't outraged or even surprised by them,he's a politician,they do that.

But Oh Lord!Let Hillary "do that" and Obama Underground wants her head on a stick! :eyes:

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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 08:32 AM
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47. "Just words"
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 08:48 AM
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49. Very interesting
Good post.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 08:55 AM
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50. Haha, good one.
Just interjecting some reality here at Obama U.

You know, without any links documenting any of this, your post is pretty far away from the realm of "reality". L2play.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 08:56 AM
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51. K&R
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 09:38 AM
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54. A politician exagerrating his own importance? The hell you say!!!!
Hillary Clinton takes credit for brining peace to Northern Ireland. Bill Clinton takes credit for the tech bubble. George Bush, Sr. took credit for bringing down the Berlin Wall. George Bush takes credit for...um....well...um...has anything good happened during the last eight years?

There is a difference in politics between exaggerating and lying.
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:00 AM
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56. yes,there certainly is.
That's why I pinpointed Obama's lie about Selma and left the others alone.

What?I'm supposed to believe Obama doesn't know what year he was born?Or that he knows so little about the Civil Rights movement that he didn't know when Selma occurred?

If he were referring just to the Civil Rights movement then there was no need to mention Selma;he did mention Selma.Not only did he mention Selma but went on to say that SELMA was the REASON he was conceived.

Common sense tells you that is a lie;For Obama's own benefit,on the backs of an oppressed suffering people and in his dead parents name,he used Selma.

It's quite the lie.And not one easily explained away or justified.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 10:06 AM
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57. "Selma" is the birth moment of the Civil Rights movement
I don't know if Jesse Jackson has given a speech in his life where he fails to mention Selma.
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hell-bent Donating Member (593 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:28 AM
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63. But, I thought HE was not just a politician?
What's this? He may exaggerate like most human beings? Tell me it's not true.....
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 09:41 AM
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55. Rofl. That's all you guys got? Do you understand why you're losing? n/t
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hell-bent Donating Member (593 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 11:08 AM
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59. Excellent post!
It's about time BO is vetted for his lies and exaggerations! "The chickens have come home to roost1"
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