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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:31 PM
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Clinton remark on Obama's pastor leads on NBC news.
jeez
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:32 PM
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1. Good. Make her look like a complete idiot.
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ericgtr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:33 PM
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2. It's going to get coverage but it will only make her look bad
not to worry, let her have the spotlight with this.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:14 PM
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34. Don't be so sure...
alot of very intelligent people feel Wright was over the top in much of what he said. My PhD husband said "some things are just not OK to say... in or out of context." In fact, a lot of us are scratching our heads trying to figure out how Obama could sit and listen to Wright again and again.

This is exactly what I've heard on the street in OH and PA: "I would have walked out and never come back." Hillary is only confirming the view that something is wrong with this picture. The issue is NOT behind Mr. Obama. And if you think it is, you are the one who is fooling yourself.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:22 PM
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37. Except she's only NOW commenting on it -- to change the subject
It looks kind of "calculating" that she hasn't commented on this for
the past two weeks, and now "suddenly" -- when her "misspeaking" about
her Bosnia trip (and WHAT ELSE?) has become the topic du jour -- she
feels compelled to speak out about this.

Reinforces her image as a calculating politician, trying to bring back
from the dead (!) a story that had just about run its course.
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DemzRock Donating Member (824 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:24 PM
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38. LOL! WOW! A politician doing something "calculating" How earth-shattering. n/t
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:44 PM
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44. She has a "genuineness" problem, in case you hadn't noticed
Cold, calculating politician. She's been trying to live this down for
months.
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DemzRock Donating Member (824 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:48 PM
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49. Funny, I don't see Obama or any politician as any more genuine, except
Ron Paul, who is a nut. A genuine nut. I seriously don't think he lies or manipulates though. Or I haven't seen it, anyway.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:33 PM
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3. Let's hope this boomerangs on her.
I don't think many people are for continuing that line of attack anymore, aside from freepers who won't vote Democratic anyways. If she's going to continue shooting her mouth off on the Wright thing, it is likely to come back to bite her in the ass...
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:33 PM
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4. craven
"cackle, cackle, cackle"
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Alhena Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:33 PM
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5. Fine- get it all out in the primary dead period
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:33 PM
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6. This will backfire. Obama's poll numbers didn't go down, and now people
will just think she's beating a dead horse to damage him. Which she is.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:34 PM
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7. Its alright, they are all focusing on the Bosnia story right now.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:35 PM
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11. lol
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:35 PM
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8. I am shocked... shocked!
:sarcasm:
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:49 PM
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23. Those General Electric people like Obama.
I wonder what Olbamarmann's show will be about tonight.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:50 PM
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24. That's weird cause it seems Hillary is the cozier candidate with the war machine.
It'd be nice if she'd release those earmarks and tax returns so we could find out once and for all.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:59 PM
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29. GE does their homework. They know they can count on Obama
for future orders for bombs.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:05 PM
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32. Not cluster bombs though.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:35 PM
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9. ABC evening news showing TuzlaGate.
They suggest that her prior claims of experience will now draw severe scrutiny from the media. Jake Tapper on now, saying that within political circles, the jury is still out but that she claims "experience" as her biggest strength, where her biggest weakness is her "trustworthiness."

He suggests TuzlaGate could turn into an instance of her biggest weakness completely undercutting her biggest strength. Goes on to mention "The Tonya Harding Option" as Clinton's only chance at saving her candidacy.

WOW.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:38 PM
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14. I love that I live on the west coast
and get to see previews by you guys of what's on the news. I appreciate it.

:hi:
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ericgtr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:44 PM
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19. Dude, that deserves a new OP!
Got any posts to give?
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:26 PM
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40. Ouch. Good.
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my2sense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:35 PM
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10. How pathetic n/t
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:39 PM
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16. The higher they climb... nt
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Amy6627 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:35 PM
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12. I have been out of it for awhile, what did she say? n/t
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:41 PM
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17. Here's a link from TPM, complete with video.
Hillary Amplifies Criticism Of Obama Over Wright
By Greg Sargent - March 25, 2008, 4:02PM

At the presser today, Hillary answers multiple questions about Wright, reiterating -- and amplifying -- her suggestion that Obama should have left Wright's church...

A couple quick things. Note how tightly Hillary stuck to the line, "I was asked what I would do," a rhetorical device designed to maintain that this isn't really a negative attack on Obama. Indeed, at one point, she made this explicit, saying:

"When asked a direct question, I gave a direct answer. And I feel very comfortable with that. I don't think that's negative. That's what I would have done."

Also, note that Hillary appears to be reading much of her material on the Wright questions, suggesting that real care went into working out precisely how she'd deal with the issue.

Late Update: Obama spokesperson Bill Burton responds:

“After originally refusing to play politics with this issue, it’s disappointing to see Hillary Clinton’s campaign sink to this low in a transparent effort to distract attention away from the story she made up about dodging sniper fire in Bosnia. The truth is, Barack Obama has already spoken out against his pastor’s offensive comments and addressed the issue of race in America with a deeply personal and uncommonly honest speech. The American people deserve better than tired political games that do nothing to solve the larger challenges facing this country."

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/hillary_leaving_wrights_church.php
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:42 PM
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18. 'If it was MY pastor, I'd leave the church'.
Basically 'you can't choose your relatives, but you can choose your friends'.

Uncalled for and ill advised, I think.
I'd have said 'It would be totally inappropriate for me to comment on someone else's personal relationships.'
She would have been applauded.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:45 PM
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20. Or just say, "I believe we have more issues in our country than a phrase taken out of context"
There were any number of CLASSY approaches she could have taken, but instead, she chose the low rent road.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:51 PM
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25. Yep.
damn
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:55 PM
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27. It was an opportunity... just as the Wright issue was for Obama.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:17 PM
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36. She was saying what millions of Americans are saying to one another...
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 06:17 PM by susankh4
And Americans like to hear their own words echoed back to them.

This Obama/Wright thing is a serious problem for our party.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:03 PM
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45. Horse. Hockey.
Is NOT!
;-)
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:27 PM
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41. But she'd stay with a husband who repeatedly publicly humiliated her....
She should start wearing bangs again...the "DOORMAT" on her forehead is starting to show.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:36 PM
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13. she's giving the Bosnia story big legs
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:39 PM
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15. And this is the woman who wants to be president?
What a (insert gender and racial neutral derogatory epithet here). Simply put her response was less than stellar. We need people who don't throw hissy fits and refuse to talk with people who we may disagree with on occasion.

It is that old ostracism vs. engage with people that has got us into such circumstances and it underscores her mindset being of the former rather than the latter.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:46 PM
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21. This is good because it shows what a Lying ,Desperate
Hypocrite she is..all wrapped up in one little SniperLiarGate.

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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:03 PM
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30. let's hope the media is on to her, and the fact that she's trying to
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 06:05 PM by Tarheel_Dem
shift the focus, YET AGAIN. Where is Bill when we need him? He could do a whole show on "Snipergate". She is such a liar. Talk about "fairytales"....
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:15 PM
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35. The m$$$m manipulates but they can't really
avoid talking about sniperliargate and they are giving her pulpit to make a bigger desperate ass outta herself over Pastor Wright.
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DemzRock Donating Member (824 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:25 PM
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39. hehe media "on to" her. Sorry everything a politician says - any pol - is something to manipulate..
the voters.

All politicians.

Yep, ALL!
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:49 PM
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22. This will hurt her in the end...you wait and see
Total dumbass move right here.
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noel711 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:54 PM
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26. How convenient....
When the Clintons needed REv. Wright's 'righteousness'
after the MOnica scandal, he sure was good enough to
come to the prayer breakfast, and break bread with them.

but now, she throws him under the proverbial bus.

If she wanted to be magnanimous,
if she wanted to be presidential,
she would have come out when the 'pastorgate'
first erupted, told the press she knew him personally,
and they were taking his remarks out of context.

Your slip is showing Hillary.
What are you made of?
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:56 PM
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28. how did they report it?
as "Hillary fires back" or "Hillary piles on" or something else?
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Kber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:04 PM
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31. No - not this time!
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:09 PM
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33. the impression I got watching it on nbc was that it was her being desperate.
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 06:10 PM by loveangelc
even fox news said it was her trying to distract from the bosnia story. charles krauthhammer (whatever) said he didn't understand why they weren't pushing it last week, because the media wasnt going to sustain the story because they are "still in the tank for Obama." He said that was a mistake and they probably won't make a big story about the Wright thing even now beyond today and maybe tomorrow. He said that if they wanted to push it they should have pushed it last week.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:27 PM
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42. good
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:28 PM
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43. How does this help her get the nomination?
How does most of her strategy help her get the nomination?
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:05 PM
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47. Not.
I don't think it helps her.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:05 PM
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46. Shameless Shameless Shameless
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 07:06 PM by TheDonkey
She's terrible.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:07 PM
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48. that's true
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